3 hours ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

Reported he wants to go to Geelong tonight on SEN

9 hours ago, rpfc said:

Gawn has made it quite clear he can’t and won’t coexist with an another ruck so there would be nothing to this EVEN if the far fetched idea of Marshall wanting to come was true.

I think he would when we cab have 5 on the bench and no sub

52 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

I think he would when we cab have 5 on the bench and no sub

No he won’t. Goodwin got Brodie effing Grundy to allow Gawn to build a forward aspect to his role and he could not or would not do it. It would have allowed Gawn to have a Paul Salmon like end to his career and play till he is 40 but now Max will simply end his career in a puff of smoke in the next few as his knees give out for the last time. Shouldering the ruck incessantly and unnecessarily.

Hopefully Buckley can come in and put a few ego's back in check.

Gawn being one.

We're never going to have a key forward again lol

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

No he won’t. Goodwin got Brodie effing Grundy to allow Gawn to build a forward aspect to his role and he could not or would not do it. It would have allowed Gawn to have a Paul Salmon like end to his career and play till he is 40 but now Max will simply end his career in a puff of smoke in the next few as his knees give out for the last time. Shouldering the ruck incessantly and unnecessarily.

Hyperbole much.

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

No he won’t. Goodwin got Brodie effing Grundy to allow Gawn to build a forward aspect to his role and he could not or would not do it. It would have allowed Gawn to have a Paul Salmon like end to his career and play till he is 40 but now Max will simply end his career in a puff of smoke in the next few as his knees give out for the last time. Shouldering the ruck incessantly and unnecessarily.

What is this actually based on. Never seen anything like this reported. You'd think with as many leaks we've had over the years this would have made the news.

Gawn is the same bloke who told Goodwin to leave Jackson on the ground when the GF was in the balance. The notion that he wouldn't make a sacrifice for the team is ludicrous imo.

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

No he won’t. Goodwin got Brodie effing Grundy to allow Gawn to build a forward aspect to his role and he could not or would not do it. It would have allowed Gawn to have a Paul Salmon like end to his career and play till he is 40 but now Max will simply end his career in a puff of smoke in the next few as his knees give out for the last time. Shouldering the ruck incessantly and unnecessarily.

Sorry but what a load of absolute garbage.

During Gawn's peak, he has only ever had 2 quality rucks on the list to 'compete with'.

He won a flag with one, famously pushing Goody to leave Jackson in the ruck in the third quarter as we gained ascendancy. You think Jackson would want to come back to the club right now if he felt Gawn was not someone he could work with?

And with Grundy it didn't work out, but it takes two to tango. Grundy was as much to blame, as was the club. We tried turning Grundy into Jackson, and Grundy was not having it.
It made no sense to have two elite rucks on your list who both have no forward craft, and trying to turn them into forwards in their late 20s / early 30s.

Let's stop talking absolute nonsense about our captain.

13 hours ago, BDA said:

i think he can play forward so could work well with gawn

get it done dees

Funniest thing I've read all day 😂

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

We're never going to have a key forward again lol

Luker Kentfield says whassup 😄

7 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Luker Kentfield says whassup 😄

We've made Casey an unstoppable force.

6 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

We've made Casey an unstoppable force.

Watch us SMASH Frankston on Saturday night! Brilliantly led by Captain Courageous, Deaks. 👊🏼

Would be a perfect fit

75% forward and 25% ruck

I’m a massive Marshall fan. And he has proven he can be a good 2nd fiddle when they had Paddy Ryder.

11 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Can we just get a few clubs to demand a proper investigation, done by a non Geelong person.

I am sick of this club getting all the benefits and not being properly investigated over its salary cap.

12 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

Idk if you’re serious but what you say is true.

I'm an unabashed fan of yours.

But I'm not at all a fan of your recent not-at-all-subtle whacks at Gawn.

3 hours ago, rpfc said:

No he won’t. Goodwin got Brodie effing Grundy to allow Gawn to build a forward aspect to his role and he could not or would not do it. It would have allowed Gawn to have a Paul Salmon like end to his career and play till he is 40 but now Max will simply end his career in a puff of smoke in the next few as his knees give out for the last time. Shouldering the ruck incessantly and unnecessarily.

No good club plays two rucks, and other than Jackson in Gawn's time here we haven't had a player on the list who can play majority forward but ruck capably.

Gawn is the greatest ruck of all time whose principal strengths are his fitness and his contested marking, which are wasted if he plays forward.

If he "would not" play forward, he and Goodwin made the right call.

The Grundy failure was a collective club failure, but pinning it all on Gawn is unjustified, and the ongoing suggestions from you and others (see @Ghostwriter above) that Gawn is unreasonably selfish are pretty disappointing given what Gawn has had to go through as captain over the last few years.

I find Melbourne going after Grundy one of the most fascinating stories since... well... the merger.

I would do anything to see an honest documentary on it - starting with the when Grundy was first mentioned inside the club and ending with The Schache Debacle.

I'm open to the idea that this is somehow Gawn's fault, but none of the possibilities seem even vaguely plausible.

Here's my take: fans and presumably business wankers with sway at football clubs put far too much store in landing 'big fishes'. Big fishes are only helpful if you're terrible and they simply become the best or second best player in the team or they complement what you're doing. And even then they don't guarantee sustained success - Chris Judd at Carlton springs to mind.

Grundy is the sparkling exemplar of what happens when you get seduced by a name and give a laughable amount of serious thought to where that name will go on the magnet board.

As I said, I don't totally discount the idea the failure was a product of Gawn hubris or arrogance. But I don't see how Grundy's startling inability to take a mark above his shoulders has anything to do with Max Gawn.

2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I'm an unabashed fan of yours.

But I'm not at all a fan of your recent not-at-all-subtle whacks at Gawn.

No good club plays two rucks, and other than Jackson in Gawn's time here we haven't had a player on the list who can play majority forward but ruck capably.

Gawn is the greatest ruck of all time whose principal strengths are his fitness and his contested marking, which are wasted if he plays forward.

If he "would not" play forward, he and Goodwin made the right call.

The Grundy failure was a collective club failure, but pinning it all on Gawn is unjustified, and the ongoing suggestions from you and others (see @Ghostwriter above) that Gawn is unreasonably selfish are pretty disappointing given what Gawn has had to go through as captain over the last few years.

This is why I try to avoid this subject. At times I can’t help but chime in, especially when I read things that just aren’t true.

I don’t take “whacks” at Max. And my stance isn’t “recent” as you say.

I see and hear things about our club/players that are for the most part positive. But there are things I see and hear that I know most fans not only won’t like, but will refuse to believe.

Please don’t put me in the Max is selfish camp. I’ve never said that, nor do I believe it.

3 minutes ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

I find Melbourne going after Grundy one of the most fascinating stories since... well... the merger.

I would do anything to see an honest documentary on it - starting with the when Grundy was first mentioned inside the club and ending with The Schache Debacle.

I'm open to the idea that this is somehow Gawn's fault, but none of the possibilities seem even vaguely plausible.

Here's my take: fans and presumably business wankers with sway at football clubs put far too much store in landing 'big fishes'. Big fishes are only helpful if you're terrible and they simply become the best or second best player in the team or they complement what you're doing. And even then they don't guarantee sustained success - Chris Judd at Carlton springs to mind.

Grundy is the sparkling exemplar of what happens when you get seduced by a name and give a laughable amount of serious thought to where that name will go on the magnet board.

As I said, I don't totally discount the idea the failure was a product of Gawn hubris or arrogance. But I don't see how Grundy's startling inability to take a mark above his shoulders has anything to do with Max Gawn.

Occam's Razor for mine is that we lost Jackson and wanted to recreate that dynamic and Grundy was available at a discount so we went for it.

Probably realised during pre-season the same dynamic wouldn't work, which is why when we were asked about what our plans were we kind of handwaved it and just said "we had ideas". Those ideas formulated as the two sharing the ruck duties between 50/50 and 60/40 and the other never really getting into the game when the other was being the main man. We were trying to win a flag so we abandoned the experiment mid-season and did a hail mary of trying to turn Grundy into a forward.

2 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Occam's Razor for mine is that we lost Jackson and wanted to recreate that dynamic and Grundy was available at a discount so we went for it.

Probably realised during pre-season the same dynamic wouldn't work, which is why when we were asked about what our plans were we kind of handwaved it and just said "we had ideas". Those ideas formulated as the two sharing the ruck duties between 50/50 and 60/40 and the other never really getting into the game when the other was being the main man. We were trying to win a flag so we abandoned the experiment mid-season and did a hail mary of trying to turn Grundy into a forward.

I agree with this and the fact that Max went down in round 2 with what looked like a potentially career ending injury meant that we had a high quality replacement to step in. This muddied the thinking as well.

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Hopefully Buckley can come in and put a few ego's back in check.

Gawn being one.

One can hope.

But Max walks on water to most.

3 hours ago, binman said:

Hyperbole much.

I expect more from captains.

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Sorry but what a load of absolute garbage.

During Gawn's peak, he has only ever had 2 quality rucks on the list to 'compete with'.

He won a flag with one, famously pushing Goody to leave Jackson in the ruck in the third quarter as we gained ascendancy. You think Jackson would want to come back to the club right now if he felt Gawn was not someone he could work with?

And with Grundy it didn't work out, but it takes two to tango. Grundy was as much to blame, as was the club. We tried turning Grundy into Jackson, and Grundy was not having it.
It made no sense to have two elite rucks on your list who both have no forward craft, and trying to turn them into forwards in their late 20s / early 30s.

Let's stop talking absolute nonsense about our captain.

‘Absolute garbage’?

Ok then.

6 minutes ago, rpfc said:

One can hope.

But Max walks on water to most.

Herein lies the problem.

How great Max is goes without saying. But no one is without flaws. Those flaws don’t detract from the greatness, but they do exist.