20 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's the same reason we turn up and play like [censored] against Carlton, Essendon and other also rans. It's between the ears, despite what Goodwin banged on about a few years back they don't respect the game or the opposition. They think they are better than their opponents, think the game is won so mentally switch off. Same thing happened at 3/4 time today, thought the game was won and they could have an easy last quarter.

Then when things don't go their way they start panicking because they are low IQ footy players and aren't well drilled or don't trust the system. In 2021 we rarely panicked because we trusted the system now no one knows what hell anyone is meant to be doing. Bizarre considering there were 14 premiership players on the field today (Jackson, Hibberd, Brown, Harmes, Brayshaw, ANB, Jordon*, Lever and May missing)

Nail meet head

11 hours ago, Young Angus said:

Petty forward doesn't work and is [censored] selection. Try him again as a backman, if he's no good he should be moved on somewhere else he really hasn't been much chop for us.

Clearly was worth bringing him in yesterday at the expense of Jefferson. Petty's stellar 5 possession game (none in the forward 50) would have been impossible to match 🙄

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This is good vision.

Two pieces of vision show a complete lack of situational awareness by Viney. The first was when it was 2 goals the difference and Viney stands 5m off NWM at the centre bounce. NWM collects the clearance and sets up Higgins for a goal. The second was after the 6-6-6 violation, when Viney inexplicably remained on centre wing and didn't think to run back to the defensive edge of the square.

There was also another one, not in this vision, where at a throw in on the wing (just before Saints won the clearance which led to NWM's equalling goal), Viney was caught on the attacking side of his opponent at the throw in. Why would you be there when defending a one goal lead in the last minute? Had he been on the defensive side he could've helped stifle the clearance or lay a tackle or force the Saints backwards.

Now Viney wasn't on his own in this capitulation and his tackling and effort (as usual) in the first 3/4 was sensational. But it really sums up the losing mentality that has now engulfed this group when your vice captain makes critical decision error after error in the closing stages of the match. Not to mention another 200-gamer who has twice this season only needed to score from a shot at goal in the last 2 minutes and has panic-kicked it out on the full both times.

Is it really any wonder why we continually lose close games / fluff our chances in front of goal when this is how we handle pressure situations? Choking has become ingrained in this group.

The 'good news' is that Sunday's game was NOT the biggest comeback in the AFL/VFL. The biggest last quarter comeback was by Essendon on 1992. After a few minutes of the last quarter they were 48 points behind to win by a solitary point after the siren. The bad news though Melbourne was the losing side again! Graham Moss was the goal kicker for the Bombers. So basically they made up the deficit in less than a quarter. ☹️ Almost identical scenario.

8 hours ago, Scoop Junior said:

This is good vision.

Two pieces of vision show a complete lack of situational awareness by Viney. The first was when it was 2 goals the difference and Viney stands 5m off NWM at the centre bounce. NWM collects the clearance and sets up Higgins for a goal. The second was after the 6-6-6 violation, when Viney inexplicably remained on centre wing and didn't think to run back to the defensive edge of the square.

There was also another one, not in this vision, where at a throw in on the wing (just before Saints won the clearance which led to NWM's equalling goal), Viney was caught on the attacking side of his opponent at the throw in. Why would you be there when defending a one goal lead in the last minute? Had he been on the defensive side he could've helped stifle the clearance or lay a tackle or force the Saints backwards.

Now Viney wasn't on his own in this capitulation and his tackling and effort (as usual) in the first 3/4 was sensational. But it really sums up the losing mentality that has now engulfed this group when your vice captain makes critical decision error after error in the closing stages of the match. Not to mention another 200-gamer who has twice this season only needed to score from a shot at goal in the last 2 minutes and has panic-kicked it out on the full both times.

Is it really any wonder why we continually lose close games / fluff our chances in front of goal when this is how we handle pressure situations? Choking has become ingrained in this group.

And this is not new. This has persisted for years.

The best example is the Carlton semi final. Viney, again, panicked in that fateful final play with his hacked kick forward which landed with Weitering.

Our leaders are terrible at sensing how to win and knowing what to do. That is a shared failure between themselves and the coaches. The longer it has persisted, the more of a coaching failure it has become.

6 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie 2 said:

The 'good news' is that Sunday's game was NOT the biggest comeback in the AFL/VFL. The biggest last quarter comeback was by Essendon on 1992. After a few minutes of the last quarter they were 48 points behind to win by a solitary point after the siren. The bad news though Melbourne was the losing side again! Graham Moss was the goal kicker for the Bombers. So basically they made up the deficit in less than a quarter. ☹️ Almost identical scenario.

Phew .... feel so much better

53 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

And this is not new. This has persisted for years.

The best example is the Carlton semi final. Viney, again, panicked in that fateful final play with his hacked kick forward which landed with Weitering.

Our leaders are terrible at sensing how to win and knowing what to do. That is a shared failure between themselves and the coaches. The longer it has persisted, the more of a coaching failure it has become.

Just a question.. actually asking it without malice to pre-empting any bias etc.

Who is this on ?? Players... Coaching ... Both ??

Would strike me players ought to know the basics of the game. Im tempted to think that 'scenario drills' are part and parcel of team tactics therefore some responsibility of coaching. But as much as I have little to non-existent faith in our coaching Im just mind boggled as to how so many players effectively broke so many "rules" of footy 101 ...all at the same time. Has a team ever 💩 itself so comprehensively??

Very sad

Lyon must have thought all his Christmases had come as he looked out upon the ground as the game edged from opportunity to opportunity. It would have no doubt crossed his mind ( with excited realisation ) ... "these guys are clueless" ... " how can they not see what I'm seeing, and they're out there !!"

No wonder he was in hysterics. Couldn't believe what he was seeing.

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

That is a shared failure between themselves and the coaches. The longer it has persisted, the more of a coaching failure it has become.

Super interesting.

I've wondered for a long time what happens in post-game analysis sessions. Just out of general interest, but also after watching vaunted players make the same enormous errors or indulge in the same failures over and over again.

It's been years now, but Jordan Lewis, sticks out in my mind. I haven't seen a player go to ground that much and leave the difficult defensive stuff to his colleagues since Under 14s. And yet it never changed. And he was praised repeatedly for his leadership. And he placed high in the B&F in his first year.

I realise that a huge amount of coaching is being at peace with every player's limitations. And when you have a player like Viney, who can will you over the line with his courage and aggression, I'm sure there's way more forgiveness - way more willingness to accept the bad with the good.

But, in the end, I agree with your comment. Some things are hard to get out of players' games. But when it's affecting entire seasons, it's the coaches' and players' responsibility to at least work on it.

13 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm so glad they pointed out the Langdon kick.
4 kicks after that, St Kilda kicked a goal.
He had Oliver, Salem and Pickett free t take 30 seconds off the clock (and give the ball to better users)
but he gave it to a 4 on 1 down the line and we're obviously out of position to stop the rebound

Then pickett goes off for 5 minutes

I sent that to my whatsapp group at the time and said they will lose the game

Every single mistake pointed out in this video is why Goodwin can't be coach anymore. The team was so disorganized and so shambolic, it shows how far standards have dropped at this club

Those mistakes just don't happen at a team with a good coach, if that happens at Collingwood I'll close my account and never speak about footy ever again

With about three minutes to go i said that have been taught not to panic but they will .

12 hours ago, old dee said:

I am abanding the MFC senior side for the next month.

wise man

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Viney, again, panicked in that fateful final play with his hacked kick forward which landed with Weitering.

i watched that horror passage of play unfold in slow motion

he could have kicked it anywhere. he should actually have aimed for wietering. guaranteed to miss him if he did that

10 hours ago, Scoop Junior said:

This is good vision.

Two pieces of vision show a complete lack of situational awareness by Viney. The first was when it was 2 goals the difference and Viney stands 5m off NWM at the centre bounce. NWM collects the clearance and sets up Higgins for a goal. The second was after the 6-6-6 violation, when Viney inexplicably remained on centre wing and didn't think to run back to the defensive edge of the square.

There was also another one, not in this vision, where at a throw in on the wing (just before Saints won the clearance which led to NWM's equalling goal), Viney was caught on the attacking side of his opponent at the throw in. Why would you be there when defending a one goal lead in the last minute? Had he been on the defensive side he could've helped stifle the clearance or lay a tackle or force the Saints backwards.

Now Viney wasn't on his own in this capitulation and his tackling and effort (as usual) in the first 3/4 was sensational. But it really sums up the losing mentality that has now engulfed this group when your vice captain makes critical decision error after error in the closing stages of the match. Not to mention another 200-gamer who has twice this season only needed to score from a shot at goal in the last 2 minutes and has panic-kicked it out on the full both times.

Is it really any wonder why we continually lose close games / fluff our chances in front of goal when this is how we handle pressure situations? Choking has become ingrained in this group.

even more telling was the vision of Goodwin standing like a statue not giving any direction. It looked like he was frozen by panic. Nowhere near good enough.

14 hours ago, dice said:

Still reckon Anzac Day 1992 was worse. Beginning of the end for Swooper.

2 minutes had already been played in the last quarter and we were 47 points up against the Bombers on the G....

Jeez, I remember listening to this on the radio and remember it clearly, horrible.

Does anyone else worry about some of our really inexplicable losses? We know some of our players have "personal issues", but is there anyone else who worries that there are players betting on us to lose certain games when the odds are massive?

I'd guess that odds on us losing at 3QT were just about maximum ever offered. I wish we could rule that out as a possiblity.

I know it's human nature to try and find causes for tragedy so my mind conjures up that or else that players want Goodwin gone as the reason for us to suddenly play so badly after three decent quarters.

Edited 11 hours ago11 hr by Hellfire Dub
Mistake

17 hours ago, lorn said:

I actually enjoyed the game. Even though we lost, sometimes you have to sit back and appreciate how great the game is and admire what the players can do. Anger is a choice.

A choice I'm willing to take.

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Phew .... feel so much better

😀 At least it wasn't our present team to hold the record! Glad this has 'Cheered' you up no end BB😀

5 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Phew .... feel so much better

Yeah the good thing is knowing that we're never far away from breaking a record like that.

15 hours ago, Scoop Junior said:

This is good vision.

Two pieces of vision show a complete lack of situational awareness by Viney. The first was when it was 2 goals the difference and Viney stands 5m off NWM at the centre bounce. NWM collects the clearance and sets up Higgins for a goal. The second was after the 6-6-6 violation, when Viney inexplicably remained on centre wing and didn't think to run back to the defensive edge of the square.

There was also another one, not in this vision, where at a throw in on the wing (just before Saints won the clearance which led to NWM's equalling goal), Viney was caught on the attacking side of his opponent at the throw in. Why would you be there when defending a one goal lead in the last minute? Had he been on the defensive side he could've helped stifle the clearance or lay a tackle or force the Saints backwards.

Now Viney wasn't on his own in this capitulation and his tackling and effort (as usual) in the first 3/4 was sensational. But it really sums up the losing mentality that has now engulfed this group when your vice captain makes critical decision error after error in the closing stages of the match. Not to mention another 200-gamer who has twice this season only needed to score from a shot at goal in the last 2 minutes and has panic-kicked it out on the full both times.

Is it really any wonder why we continually lose close games / fluff our chances in front of goal when this is how we handle pressure situations? Choking has become ingrained in this group.

Coaching and on-field leadership

Diabolical, appalling, lacking, disgraceful, useless.

Muppets saying Simon can't do it for them have their heads up their Jackson's

1 hour ago, layzie said:

Yeah the good thing is knowing that we're never far away from breaking a record like that.

It's comforting. Gives you that warmth and fuzziness knowing that no matter how bad we can be.... we can actually up the ante and do something even more stupid.

Other club's supporters must be livid, be so jealous of our abilities.

I chortle smuggle knowing we're just THAT good !! 😉

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by beelzebub

On 28/07/2025 at 10:04, SadDee said:

Whilst I agree, I think we can skip putting him back. He’s proven not very good there either, we have Hore and Disco who are both better than him, and AMW coming back from injury. Plenty of defenders. Get whatever we can for him.

If you go back and look at patty's recruit year highlights he looked a natural backman. Should of been may lever Petty ever since.

Love to know what goodys message was at 3/4 time.

Clearly the players didn't listen

On 28/07/2025 at 09:25, DeeZee said:

That was an absolute horror show and somewhat ironic that the Demons lost because of 666

THIS! Looks like the real demon had the last laugh. I'm still reeling from this loss.

I often ask the question "what could possibly go wrong?". I assume I posted this prior to the Saints match.

In my wildest dreams I couldn't have predicted Sunday's debacle.

Small consolation was that I had put money on the Saints.