4 minutes ago, hardtack said:

I’ve just been wracking my brain for a few seconds, but to no avail; how can picks be involved in the recruiting of a player who is not currently affiliated with any club? Where do said picks go? How does this whole scenario work? Please excuse my ignorance.

There are rules around this to stop teams from rorting the system iirc. I don't know how it would work exactly in this scenario but a good example would be when Mitch Clark 'retired' and then Geelong had to trade for him.

Why is this such a bad idea? honestly.

We need to both top up and to re-build on the run. Neither are mutually exclusive.

I've read pages and pages of people complaining about Tholstrup and others who are not up to speed and their need to develop at Casey. Whilst also reading about the lack of quality @ Casey at the same time. It's clear that a re-set of sorts is required where hard calls need to be made on players who cannot make the grade are delisted (We clearly have a number of players who appear to never be in the frame for selection). So I agree, a rebuild on the bottom 40% of the list is required.

BUT....

We also need experienced players.

We need to remain competitive, whilst we understand who will make the grade and who won't. The last thing we want to do is return to the days where James McDonald and the like were moved on...taking us back to the good old days of (circa 2012).

We need to build selection integrity, we need our juniors earning games and with consistent performances in the 2's (i.e developing in the VFL).

And not least, we need our current senior players to believe that they have have a chance to win, that the club is trying to do everything it can to win now.

I know who I'd rather have playing key forward for this club if you lined up Jefferson, Johnson, Van Rooyen, Petty and Daniher.

2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I’m strongly against this for all the reasons already suggested in this thread.

Jeremy [censored] Cameron wouldn’t kick goals in our forward line. Joe Daniher, after a year out of the system, isn’t going to solve our problems.

We will go nowhere until the FD start looking in the middle.

We will go nowhere until the FD is replaced.

9 minutes ago, Bingo said:

Why is this such a bad idea? honestly.

We need to both top up and to re-build on the run. Neither are mutually exclusive.

I've read pages and pages of people complaining about Tholstrup and others who are not up to speed and their need to develop at Casey. Whilst also reading about the lack of quality @ Casey at the same time. It's clear that a re-set of sorts is required where hard calls need to be made on players who cannot make the grade are delisted (We clearly have a number of players who appear to never be in the frame for selection). So I agree, a rebuild on the bottom 40% of the list is required.

BUT....

We also need experienced players.

We need to remain competitive, whilst we understand who will make the grade and who won't. The last thing we want to do is return to the days where James McDonald and the like were moved on...taking us back to the good old days of (circa 2012).

We need to build selection integrity, we need our juniors earning games and with consistent performances in the 2's (i.e developing in the VFL).

And not least, we need our current senior players to believe that they have have a chance to win, that the club is trying to do everything it can to win now.

I know who I'd rather have playing key forward for this club if you lined up Jefferson, Johnson, Van Rooyen, Petty and Daniher.

Daniher will be 32 years old at the start of next year and with a year out of the system and will struggle to get to AFL fitness in a single preseason. He will also cost a lot to not only lure out of retirement but also pick us over Brisbane. If this is our best option then it shows how few genuine prospects we actually have.

Not suggesting our fwd 50 entries are acceptable, but if we hold the common narrative for just a moment Pickett, Chandler, Melksham, Fritsch, Sparrow are all averaging more marks inside 50 this year than their career averages.

The harder narrative to swallow is that our key forwards are just not good enough finding space/contested marking right now and we need to make drastic changes. (Either game plan or personnel)

16 hours ago, bing181 said:

Joe Daniher: Long shot, but great that the club is being active and leaving no stone unturned. Would seriously straighten us up.

Yeh great.. only we’re 3 years too late.

46 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Daniher will be 32 years old at the start of next year and with a year out of the system and will struggle to get to AFL fitness in a single preseason. He will also cost a lot to not only lure out of retirement but also pick us over Brisbane. If this is our best option then it shows how few genuine prospects we actually have.

I think all of Collingwood, Geelong and Brisbane have shown that age is irrelevant. Just take a look at our own Jake Melksham. It's more dependant on the overall health of their body.

We genuinely do have very few "established" prospects. That's why an out of form JVR and an inexperienced Jefferson are being asked to be our key tall forwards.

Wasn't half the reason he moved to Brisbane and then retired was because he didn't want to be in the fishbowl that is the Melbourne football public?

9 minutes ago, Bingo said:

I think all of Collingwood, Geelong and Brisbane have shown that age is irrelevant. Just take a look at our own Jake Melksham. It's more dependant on the overall health of their body.

We genuinely do have very few "established" prospects. That's why an out of form JVR and an inexperienced Jefferson are being asked to be our key tall forwards.

I think it's relevant when you're chasing a 31 year old who won't be match fit for at least two pre-seasons.

Age is irrelevant to Geelong because when their stars are cooked they can just recruit someone in their prime to fill in the gaps and they have a very high rate of success with later picks in the draft. Both Collingwood and Geelong have been very good at continuously regenerating their lists with quality players.

Geelong and Collingwood have been lucky with guys like Dangerfield, Pendlebury and Sidebottom bucking the trend of age and remaining hugely compettive longer than most but all those guys are ultimate professionals. Daniher on the other hand always had a pretty cruisy attitude to footy.

Joe Daniher. Seriously. Who was drunk and thought this was the best idea??

He left the Bummers and moved to Brisbane because he didn't want to be in the fishbowl of the Melbourne frenzy on footy !! Loves the relaxed Byron Bay life.

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This is beyond farcical and highly improbable.

IF true - and I highly doubt it - it shows how desperate we are.

Fitness and motivation (not $$$) will be key factors here, and I'm sorry, but I already have my doubts about both of those with some of the current playing list, who have been unable to run out/maintain pressure or consistency in games (potentially due to one or both of those factors). For completeness, this is not a dig at their efforts as such, I never pot the boys for effort. If they are unfit, or misaligned with motivation, for whatever reason, that will impact games.

We don't need another player who will potentially, and very likely, tick both those boxes. Another too-risky-to-be-worth-it move.

Please keep looking. As with my comments on the trade targets thread, the reality is, obviously, we are not a destination club. We are a club probably coming off the back of 14th, then likely bottom 4. We need some big moves (trading out some, I am sure), and then need to sell the vision to potentials that next year will be one of success, not a continued downward slide. Sort of where I am sitting with Dogga if that's even remotely true. The Dockers look like they may (haha who knows though) be on the up, why move for bottom 4? The only sell is he would be here for top dog role, and success.

Anyway, I digreess.

No, thank you.

Doubts over Demons' bid to lure Daniher out of retirement

"However, Demons great Garry Lyon simply cannot see it eventuating.

“That’s interesting. I don’t think Joey is coming out of retirement anytime soon,” said Lyon.

Essendon legend Watson has a close family relationship with Daniher who played 108 games and kicked 191 goals for the Bombers as a father-son prospect.

Watson is adamant that the 204-game, 395-goal Daniher won’t end his retirement to play again.

“There’s no way known that he’ll be coming out of retirement,” said the former Dons captain."

A real left field idea, probably no chance. Almost as silly as getting that Brown chap with no knees from Norf.

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Goodwin and the club are desperate. What a farce, Daniher is 32...we need some cool heads in our football department, we are off the rails and look desperate.

I don't for a second think we will get Daniher.

If it did happen it wont be at FF or CHF. He plays his deadliest football when he runs up the ground takes it on the wing, turns around onto his left and launches a 70m kick to a leading forward.

He would be the link / high half forward.

Again I don't think it happens but everybody seems to be assuming he would take Jeffo or JVR's role if it did. He wont

9 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I can't see Joe moving down from Byron Bay, considering he commuted from there to Brisbane everyday in his Lions days.

Why on earth would he retire from a premiership side, in contract, to then move back into the public spotlight at the MFC train wreck?

The 0.2% chance that we would get him over the line is if he wanted to do Neale proud by playing for the club that means the world to his uncle. That's it.

I do wish that we were able to convince Tom Hawkins to come to us for a couple of years, in order to assist JVR and Jeffo in their development.

Why live in Byron Bay when you could set up shop in sunny Cranbourne?

9 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

I love Joe’s goofiness! And he has great taste in music (don’t let the Frozen song fool you). But his head is too small for his body; I find it very distracting. I coped with this for one or two matches a year when we played them, not sure I could cope with it for every match of the season 😂😂😂

Along with Hipwood whose nose is too small for his face it was a disturbing combination for sure.

Daniher always reminded me of Doofy from Scary Movie.

I’d do it just to annoy essendon supporters

22 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

My thoughts too. It’s as much about the delivery into I50 and our forward line strategies or lack thereof, as the calibre of our forward cattle! Yes it would be great to have a 200 cm plus, pack crashing, high marking focal point up forward but they are hard to find. Not sure Joe would be the answer but if he was keen well maybe at a reasonable price.

I still believe with much better delivery and much better forward craft and teamwork that we could construct a very serviceable forward line from the following - Fritsch, Kossie, Turner, Melksham, Petty, Chandler, Spargo, JVR, Jefferson, Tracc, Langford and I would throw in May as an option to extend his career and Viney as a defensive small forward. And hopefully a full preseason for Kentfield would add to the mix.

P.S. If we don’t sharpen up our set shot goal kicking accuracy it’s all a waste of time.

Great. Unless he turns up looking like Thor - in the last movie (was that love and thunder)

Info i’m getting is, it is not a playing role

We want him as our goal kicking coach

It’s called deflection.