21 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

How do we get Sam Flanders? I think he’d be a great addition but we don’t have the draft capital, players to trade or salary cap room imv

This trade would probably require us to trade one of Petracca or Oliver and then move those picks the other way to the Suns.

6 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

How do we get Sam Flanders? I think he’d be a great addition but we don’t have the draft capital, players to trade or salary cap room imv

Trade Oliver Lever or Trac

On 01/08/2025 at 09:36, dazzledavey36 said:

How has Fullarton been cruelled by injury??

Pretty much played a whole season at VFL level last year and this year.

Lets just accept the fact that hes simply not good at all and injury has played no role in that.

I see Fullarton was named as our best in the last Casey match, yet not mentioned in goal kickers . So, are they trying him in defence ? Athletic type, might he have a future at CHB?

6 minutes ago, Farmer said:

I see Fullarton was named as our best in the last Casey match, yet not mentioned in goal kickers . So, are they trying him in defence ? Athletic type, might he have a future at CHB?

Fullarton played well at CHB versus the Lions last week. His ability to cover ground and cover aerially was good. Bug he lacks physical pressure and smarts. Very good VFL type (like quite a few in our list) but not imv up to AFL quality. He will likely be delisted at year end.

My List management: Next up Trade Delist

FB: Lever Petty McVee Laurie May Hore

HB: Rivers Turner Bowey Fullarton Spargo Billings

C: Langdon Oliver Lindsey Campbell Salem Henderson

HF: Chandler Kent/Jeffo Petracca McAdam Viney

FF: Fritsch JVR Melk Johnson Sparrow

Mid: Gawn Langford Kossie Verrall T-Mac

Int: Windsor Howes Culley Kolt Woewodin

Sub: Mentha Brown

Emg: AMW Kent/Jeffo Adams Sestan

To me, today was yet another example that the same board review team that decided Goody had to go, has hopefully made the similar move to delist Tim Lamb.

Being list manager is a tough gig, but I can only sincerely hope that he realises now that he is not quite cut out for it and it's time to let someone else have a go.

Effectively he has taken large steps towards destroying what many felt after 2021 was the best young list in the comp and included a great group of core veterans.

Sure he would argue that he couldn't do anything about losing Jackson and ANB along with Angus and it's the coaches fault that Grundy barely got a go as a ruckman in 2023.

But his trade initiatives have been abysmal - Schache, Hunter, Fullarton, Billings and Hoire on top of this year's Sharp addition.

Then there's his inability to kick back on player agents - significantly the lengthy deals for both Oliver and Kozzie are fraught with danger - why a significant carrot wasn't offered for a shorter term is beyond me.

This year the new coach, presumably Buckley, may want to trade a couple of our players on top of McVee, but does anyone feel Lamb has a good grasp on the trade market and a player's ability.

By contrast Jason Taylor has been pretty much bang on, although I really wish he had taken one of Caddy or Tauru to help solved our marking crisis - outside of Gawny that is.

Tim Lamb has done an awful job at this club, has to go

6 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

But his trade initiatives have been abysmal - Schache, Hunter, Fullarton, Billings and Hoire on top of this year's Sharp addition.

Then there's his inability to kick back on player agents - significantly the lengthy deals for both Oliver and Kozzie are fraught with danger - why a significant carrot wasn't offered for a shorter term is beyond me.

My guess is the two points are probably linked. The significant deals being given out to existing players have us hamstrung with the talent we are able to bring in. Although, now that I think about it, I'm not sure how we could have brought in Houston, but maybe Kossie got some of that cap.

I don't know what Trac and Oliver's contracts are, but it seems that they are being paid so much that it does not come close to their output of late. I'd hate to see them traded and us paying some of their salary for years to come. I hope that they can improve under a new coach.

We have certainly lost a lot of depth without adequate replacement.

On 14/06/2025 at 10:33, spirit of norm smith said:

It’s only mid season so still time to see what players can shine in the back half and who might take their opportunities.

The veterans. Over 30. Age at start of 2026

Tmac (33) - not sure he gets another year

Melksham (34) maybe one more year

Billings (30). Likely will be delisted

Tom Campbell (34) One more year in the absence of young rucks

The fringe …

Laurie. Excellent VFL player but lacks the pace and killer skills to get regular AFL footy. Stuck in the middle. Contracted but may get offers elsewhere We may let him go

Hore. Unfortunately injuries have again meant he has missed his chances. Likely delisted at end of year

Fullarton. Was given his opportunity but showed he’s not up to it. To be delisted imv

Sestan, Kentfield, Verrall, Woey jnr deserve another year

Ricky Mentha has shown enough to get another year

AMW - yes he showed plenty and unlucky to get injured. I’d sign him up for 2 years

Adams contracted to 2026

Ruthless decisions?

Spargo. Thanks but we need more from a small forward then 6 possessions and 2 kicks for 15 metres. 1 goal in 10 games is not good enough

McAdam. His 3 year deal may save him. Was looking okay in 2025 preseason until injured. Unsure if he stays but likely will.

Update shortly

I suspect it’s the end for T Mc even if he’s been perfectly adequate.

If he wants to keep going I’d give him another year but Melk talking about spending time with his family makes me think he’s had enough.

Culley another year. Tom Campbell another year if we can’t find a ready made ruck. AMW another year.

Billings, Hore, Fullarton thanks for your services.

Spargo probably leaves as a free agent. Kynan Brown and Sestan maybe.

Henderson, Woey, Verrall maybe not. Just depends how many list changes we make with trades in and out.

12 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Henderson, Woey, Verrall maybe not. Just depends how many list changes we make with trades in and out.

I think Verrall has to either be delisted or elevated to the primary list after 3 years on the rookie list. I suspect delisting which is a bit of a shame, I thought he could have been a better option as the second ruck but hasn't been given the chance. Doesn't seem to effect the game enough outside of the ruck contest for Casey.

I don’t buy into the we have a list that could/should be playing finals next year coming from the club and Paul Roos.

Obviously I’d love to be proved wrong but our recruitment strategy for both new coaching staff and turning over the playing list MUST only be about building our next window not trying to reopen the one that has just shut.

42 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

To me, today was yet another example that the same board review team that decided Goody had to go, has hopefully made the similar move to delist Tim Lamb.

Being list manager is a tough gig, but I can only sincerely hope that he realises now that he is not quite cut out for it and it's time to let someone else have a go.

Effectively he has taken large steps towards destroying what many felt after 2021 was the best young list in the comp and included a great group of core veterans.

Sure he would argue that he couldn't do anything about losing Jackson and ANB along with Angus and it's the coaches fault that Grundy barely got a go as a ruckman in 2023.

But his trade initiatives have been abysmal - Schache, Hunter, Fullarton, Billings and Hoire on top of this year's Sharp addition.

Then there's his inability to kick back on player agents - significantly the lengthy deals for both Oliver and Kozzie are fraught with danger - why a significant carrot wasn't offered for a shorter term is beyond me.

This year the new coach, presumably Buckley, may want to trade a couple of our players on top of McVee, but does anyone feel Lamb has a good grasp on the trade market and a player's ability.

By contrast Jason Taylor has been pretty much bang on, although I really wish he had taken one of Caddy or Tauru to help solved our marking crisis - outside of Gawny that is.

The length & value of the Oliver contract when his lifestyle was well known should in itself be worthy of termination.

The recent Viney extension is a significant mistake.

And for goodness sake, stop this absurd practice of trading all these 2nd, 3rd & 4th round picks to get back into the middle of the first round.

5 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

The length & value of the Oliver contract when his lifestyle was well known should in itself be worthy of termination.

The recent Viney extension is a significant mistake.

And for goodness sake, stop this absurd practice of trading all these 2nd, 3rd & 4th round picks to get back into the middle of the first round.

Agree x 3.

I don’t mind the aggressive trade ups when you’re looking for a missing piece (Pickett) or for a special player at the very top of the draft.

But especially when it’s time for a list to take its medicine and rebuild the depth of talent you have to make as many useable picks as you can. This might not be the draft to do it but restocking extra mid round picks has to be a priority.

The Tholstrup trade up has killed us, we should have another couple of handy players on the list (Pick 11 (Gold Coast) for our Pick 14, 27, 35)

Fortunately Lindsay looks a ripper but we sacrificed a lot of picks there too

18 minutes ago, adonski said:

The Tholstrup trade up has killed us, we should have another couple of handy players on the list (Pick 11 (Gold Coast) for our Pick 14, 27, 35)

Fortunately Lindsay looks a ripper but we sacrificed a lot of picks there too

Yeah that was an absolute jaw dropper. Especially considering Logan Morris went at Pick 31. I mean who are these players watching in the juniors. I get the whole can the player cope with AFL intensity and strength but Morris has all of this in spades.

Does my head in.

11 minutes ago, adonski said:

The Tholstrup trade up has killed us, we should have another couple of handy players on the list (Pick 11 (Gold Coast) for our Pick 14, 27, 35)

Fortunately Lindsay looks a ripper but we sacrificed a lot of picks there too

Lindsay is going to have to be a very special player to justify what the Club gave up. I realise when Lamb did the deal he was thinking we’d finish 6-8 places higher, but that’s simply not the case.

I’m looking at the Crows, no father sons, no academy players, no NGA players, so I assume they’ve just mostly nailed their first, second, third, fourth rounders for many years with some smart trading of Dawson, Rankine, ANB etc.

21 minutes ago, adonski said:

The Tholstrup trade up has killed us, we should have another couple of handy players on the list (Pick 11 (Gold Coast) for our Pick 14, 27, 35)

Fortunately Lindsay looks a ripper but we sacrificed a lot of picks there too

27 would’ve moved to 34 and there’s some useful talent there, not much special but a 50:50 of someone useful. 34 would’ve been in the 40’s and despite Freijeh and Dear no one rated the depth in that draft.

But we also gave up a F2 for McAdam which became a great pick that took Nibbler to get it back. Only to toss it away again in the Lindsay trade.

Definitely would’ve been better just to pay for McAdam upfront (if at all).

How about 49 and 3rd round pick swap for Sharp! Way too much for a player we were doing Brisbane a favour by taking off their books.

1 minute ago, goodwindees said:

Lindsay is going to have to be a very special player to justify what the Club gave up. I realise when Lamb did the deal he was thinking we’d finish 6-8 places higher, but that’s simply not the case.

I’m looking at the Crows, no father sons, no academy players, no NGA players, so I assume they’ve just mostly nailed their first, second, third, fourth rounders for many years with some smart trading of Dawson, Rankine, ANB etc.

Crows drafting sucks

Their trade ins have been great tbough, They've been KOTD with Dawson, Rankine wanting them

Edited August 16Aug 16 by adonski

Just now, adonski said:

Crows drafting sucks

They've been KOTD with Dawson, Rankine wanting them

Nibbler has been a good pick up for them as well

5 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

Yeah that was an absolute jaw dropper. Especially considering Logan Morris went at Pick 31. I mean who are these players watching in the juniors. I get the whole can the player cope with AFL intensity and strength but Morris has all of this in spades.

Does my head in.

I too agree that we have overpaid to trade up but you can't highlight a player going at 31 to prove a point. How many other teams and picks passed on them before he was picked up? There's always going to be some gems in later rounds, it's more about the success rate the lower the pick (in theory).

Our player development has dropped off in the last few years, so having extra picks may be a moot point.

3 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

I’m looking at the Crows, no father sons, no academy players, no NGA players, so I assume they’ve just mostly nailed their first, second, third, fourth rounders for many years with some smart trading of Dawson, Rankine, ANB etc.

A Thilthorpe when you’ve got pick 1 in a draft with 2 good players in the top handful (of which only 1 is mentally healthy) helps a lot.

And having your other 2 most talented players lob home on cut priced trades helps too.

As did the ability to load up with AnB, Peatling and Cumming to fix a super shallow midfield.

Not playing tonight but Max Michalleny is a very good father son too.

In terms of an advantage on the competition their best work has been finding guys on the scrap heap or in funny spots at the start of their rebuild: Keays and Hinge for free as delisted Brisbane players, Murray and Keane as key backs from funny spots.

A couple of really quality picks in the Worrell, Soligo and Curtin coming fast, but it hasn’t been a standard load up in the draft rebuild. They burnt their first early pick of the rebuild in Fish McAsey and haven’t exactly nailed repeat drafts.

On 14/06/2025 at 13:29, The Taciturn Demon said:

Devil's advocate... sort of. Would any team give up much for Langdon?

I'd take a fourth rounder.

13 hours ago, goodwindees said:

The recent Viney extension is a significant mistake.

The move of a club still haunted by the handling of Junior late in his career

12 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

Especially considering Logan Morris went at Pick 31. I mean who are these players watching in the juniors. I get the whole can the player cope with AFL intensity and strength but Morris has all of this in spades.

Hopefully our resource-stretched recruiters stop spending so much time on planes to WA and double down on scouting local talent that won’t give us go-home headaches if they turn out to be any good.