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PREGAME: Rd 08 vs West Coast

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13 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

I fly out tomorrow morning at stupid o’clock (6am) and fly out of Perth at stupider o’clock (midnight).

That’s an BIG effort.Wow!

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    1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

    Maysie out? That’s what I just heard.

    Bugger

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    1 hour ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

    Adams not named, emergencies are JVR, Laurie and Howes. I’d think Howes..

    Can’t see how we stay $1.45 to win with Clarry and May out. Should still be favourites but getting tighter..

    Be 50/50 pretty soon I reckon

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    10 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    (Is Tomlinson available?)

    So our key defenders will now be T Mac, Turner and Howes (assume he's in) which is the same set up as the Freo game which is fine.

    Petty will be the second ruck which leaves us with literally no tall targets inside 50 when he's rucking. I don't understand this strategy.

    The other option is to bring in JVR rather than Howes to give our forward line some height and hope that T Mac and Turner can handle their tall forward line. Waterman is capable of 6 and being chiefly responsible for a West Coast win tomorrow night, make no mistake.

    May's becoming rather unreliable from an injury perspective.

    Love Maysie but does appear that his body is failing him a little or he's being rushed back. Obviously isn't helped by Lever/Hore also being injured and Petty shifted forward (to some success)

    Maybe it's time to test JvR as a swingman as well?

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    1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

    Maysie out? That’s what I just heard.

    Again? FFS.

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    33 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    Petty will be the second ruck which leaves us with literally no tall targets inside 50 when he's rucking. I don't understand this strategy.

    err Maybe don't bomb the ball in long...

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    Has Howes been confirmed as coming in, if not JVR can play down back with Turner and Tmac for Waterman, Reid and Williams.

    Query on that though is does that impact our ball movement if we don’t go with Howes

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    1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

    Who’s in?

    watts on 2nd whos on ist

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    45 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

    I fly out tomorrow morning at stupid o’clock (6am) and fly out of Perth at stupider o’clock (midnight).

    I get up a 5am everyday ,i could get you to the airport on my walker

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    2 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

    Yes this make sense. Goodwin said he had Rivers back when Turner went down to add some height. Thing is Rivers found top form so probably didnt want to rush him into the midfield. He'll move in for Oliver. So Turner to half back taking their third tall, rivers to the middle, and Melksham and Fritter have to play as talls.

    Don't think Ruvers is an inside mid at all ...at best outside mid where he can run and carry and kick long..Viney better inside mid for Oliver which leaves Rivers to run with Reid and come off him

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    Will be fascinating to see how we handle Waterman and a huge insight into life without May.

    I really like Turner. People forget he has only played 20 games. Over that time his stat line roughly reads 80 marks 160 touches 20 goals. That's playing half games, in and out of the side, injuries, thrown around the line up. But its more or less jvrs first season (and a better stat line than say Josh Treacy's first 20 games).

    He's a pretty good forward that plays in front and knows when to double back and lead up. (Jvr instead runs to where the ball is going, not where it should be going imo). But id love to see Turner play on Waterman and win that duel, it would be a huge positive for us for the next few years. If Waterman gives him a bath, so be it but id love to see if Turner is the player I think he could be.

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    14 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

    Will be fascinating to see how we handle Waterman and a huge insight into life without May.

    I really like Turner. People forget he has only played 20 games. Over that time his stat line roughly reads 80 marks 160 touches 20 goals. That's playing half games, in and out of the side, injuries, thrown around the line up. But its more or less jvrs first season (and a better stat line than say Josh Treacy's first 20 games).

    He's a pretty good forward that plays in front and knows when to double back and lead up. (Jvr instead runs to where the ball is going, not where it should be going imo). But id love to see Turner play on Waterman and win that duel, it would be a huge positive for us for the next few years. If Waterman gives him a bath, so be it but id love to see if Turner is the player I think he could be.

    I have always thought Turner is a killer!! I like him forward ..great lead, solid mark and accurate set shot..Way better than JVR in terms of footy smarts...

    Leave for the year to build his game, sense of belonging and confidence.

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    In his first year at Casey, JVR was considered the next big thing for MFC. Like many players who do well at that level, he has failed in the next two seasons (and 45 senior games) to replicate that reserves form. So it is no surprise that he kicked a few last week - Richmond's reserves defense are so far below AFL standard that one should not extrapolate that performance into likely AFL outcomes. You will be disappointed if you do.

    I am glad JVR is (currently) not playing tomorrow. He clogs the forward line with his poor running patterns, dropped marks, and slow ground level movements.

    I know that is not a popular view but the data over many games bears it out.

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    16 hours ago, Go Lordie said:

    THE KISS. Am I the only Demonlander who spotted the influence of the Kolt Kiss?

    I thought I was seeing things when ?Chin? kicked a goal and Kolt runs up to him and puckers up. And then late in the game, another pucker up after a goal. (I now finally have access to Watch AFL after the club and Watch AFL handpassed my lack of access between each other like a hot potato, so I can go watch the rest of the Richmond game at my leisure. And watch for those kisses.)

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    13 minutes ago, William said:

    In his first year at Casey, JVR was considered the next big thing for MFC. Like many players who do well at that level, he has failed in the next two seasons (and 45 senior games) to replicate that reserves form. So it is no surprise that he kicked a few last week - Richmond's reserves defense are so far below AFL standard that one should not extrapolate that performance into likely AFL outcomes. You will be disappointed if you do.

    I am glad JVR is (currently) not playing tomorrow. He clogs the forward line with his poor running patterns, dropped marks, and slow ground level movements.

    I know that is not a popular view but the data over many games bears it out.

    The problem I fear with Roo extends to the whole of our forward 'structure' ( I apply that word hesitantly). Roo burst upon the scene and we could all see the raw talent and for mine that's still pretty well where it sits. A talent, raw, unrefined and problematically underdeveloped.

    That is the crux of our dilemma imho. We have no real idea what we're doing in the front arc.

    Roo is still essentially playing the same level he was 3 years ago.

    I put that fairly at the feet of the FD

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    Hey, Melbourne based supporters not going to the match ...

    Are any of you going to a pub to watch this match? Our match is up against the filth v puddy tatts.

    I'd like to go somewhere where I'm with kindred spirits. Suggestions?

    PS. In the meantime I'll check with Sporting Globe Richmond. In the past they've shown Demons matches on a big screen. The last time I was there (v Essendon) there were hardly any Dees supporters. Mainly unpleasant Bombers supporters. Not a pleasant experience.

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    3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

    The problem I fear with Roo extends to the whole of our forward 'structure' ( I apply that word hesitantly). Roo burst upon the scene and we could all see the raw talent and for mine that's still pretty well where it sits. A talent, raw, unrefined and problematically underdeveloped.

    That is the crux of our dilemma imho. We have no real idea what we're doing in the front arc.

    Roo is still essentially playing the same level he was 3 years ago.

    I put that fairly at the feet of the FD

    Perhaps, but you can't train dogs to meow.

    He lacks the poise, balance and agility required of a FF or CHF...Could he play back ?Maybe but is he fast enough to track a natural forward...with poise balance and agility?

    Moore went back after failing as a forward but he has similar athleticism to that of his father.

    Maybe JVR could be a second tall back. A spoiler and learn from TMac. Does he read the play well enough to intercept like Lever?

    I think they need to look elsewhere for a Key forward..or try Turner for a period..

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    13 minutes ago, At Least I Saw a Flag said:

    Hey, Melbourne based supporters not going to the match ...

    Are any of you going to a pub to watch this match? Our match is up against the filth v puddy tatts.

    I'd like to go somewhere where I'm with kindred spirits. Suggestions?

    PS. In the meantime I'll check with Sporting Globe Richmond. In the past they've shown Demons matches on a big screen. The last time I was there (v Essendon) there were hardly any Dees supporters. Mainly unpleasant Bombers supporters. Not a pleasant experience.

    I would be shocked if they weren't showing our game at Brewmanity, Neita's bar in South Melbourne

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    44 minutes ago, William said:

    In his first year at Casey, JVR was considered the next big thing for MFC. Like many players who do well at that level, he has failed in the next two seasons (and 45 senior games) to replicate that reserves form. So it is no surprise that he kicked a few last week - Richmond's reserves defense are so far below AFL standard that one should not extrapolate that performance into likely AFL outcomes. You will be disappointed if you do.

    I am glad JVR is (currently) not playing tomorrow. He clogs the forward line with his poor running patterns, dropped marks, and slow ground level movements.

    I know that is not a popular view but the data over many games bears it out.

    Total bollocks.

    The data over many games absolutely 100% contradicts your opinion on JVR.

    Have you even looked at the data?

    Laving aside his poor form.this season, his first two full seasons are the equal of the very best key forwards in the last 30 years, including any playing now (not to mention bestingevery other young key forward playing now).

    You can do the research on thst - you'll find a post on mine from last year going thru the data in forensic detail.

    Opinions are great - but claiming you have data that supports that view is so on point these days

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    45 minutes ago, William said:

    In his first year at Casey, JVR was considered the next big thing for MFC. Like many players who do well at that level, he has failed in the next two seasons (and 45 senior games) to replicate that reserves form. So it is no surprise that he kicked a few last week - Richmond's reserves defense are so far below AFL standard that one should not extrapolate that performance into likely AFL outcomes. You will be disappointed if you do.

    I am glad JVR is (currently) not playing tomorrow. He clogs the forward line with his poor running patterns, dropped marks, and slow ground level movements.

    I know that is not a popular view but the data over many games bears it out.

    Yeah nah. He’s young, turned 21 last year. Compare his 2024 to Curnow and McKay’s 2018 (when they turned 21):

    JVR avg 10.2 disposals vs Curnow 13.8 and McKay 10.6

    Goals 1.4 vs 1.7 and 1.6

    Hitouts 4.2 vs 0.1 and 1.9 (he’s had to do more work in the middle than either of the blue baggers did).

    Tackles 1.8 vs 2.1 and 1.8

    Goal assists 0.3 vs 0.2 and 0.2

    DE% 70.6 vs 60.1 and 73.6

    Marks i50 1.7 vs 1.9 and 1.7

    He’s not far off 2 Coleman medalists at the same stage. Needs to work out his bodywork and footwork..

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