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3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

He’s dead right. We have all been saying it for 3 years

But sadly the Coach has other ideas

IN the last example Melk kicks to Spargo who's in a one on one against a cats defender.

So dumb

Our forward line is the football equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle.

Another way I'd look at this is that we are getting better ball movement into our forward half, and have options for a shorter kick or handball inboard but are reverting to old habits of deep entry to create a stoppage and trap ball in our forward 50.

Just now, chookrat said:

Another way I'd look at this is that we are getting better ball movement into our forward half, and have options for a shorter kick or handball inboard but are reverting to old habits of deep entry to create a stoppage and trap ball in our forward 50.

I like the positive spin!

I think a big part is where we are playing certain personnel. Some hard decisions may need to be made if we want to get our season back on track.

We have players making space but we don’t have players who steady and look and we also do t have many players who can kick. Either way there’s plenty to work with…..isn’t there??

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He’s dead right. We have all been saying it for 3 years

But sadly the Coach has other ideas

To be fair, a few were saying it, but the majority thought everything was OK until now.

7 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Didn’t Goodwin say we’re getting ‘high quality entries’ (or something along those lines) after the Geelong game?

50 inside 50’s, for 6 goals. 16 scores.

Geelong had 49 inside 50’s, for 12 goals. 25 scores.

It’s hearing him say this that confirms to me that he doesn’t reckon the vast majority of our entries are an issue which is WILD. Must just solely be an issue with the forwards then I guess?

50 entries, 6 goals, but nup, if we only kicked straight for a spectacular 14.2, we would’ve belted them by 1 point.

That’s the logic.

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2 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

To be fair, a few were saying it, but the majority thought everything was OK until now.

I think a lot of people were waiting for a change. But it hasn’t happened

Goodwin’s Coaching was perfectly suited to Burgess’s Training methods, we would wear teams down in the 2nd half, if Burgess had stayed another 2 years i think we would have taken a 14th Cup.

But sadly he had to go home.

I also think Simon only knows one way to Coach…Learnings have not progressed for a long time…

18 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I like the positive spin!

I think a big part is where we are playing certain personnel. Some hard decisions may need to be made if we want to get our season back on track.

The main culprits are Viney, Oliver and to a lesser extent Tracc. They constantly burn team mates in better positions forward and on the inside. The fact we look like rubbish but yet are getting ample inside 50’s for an average 10% success rate indicates there is a solution to get us competitive again. I can’t believe the coach has tolerated this for so long. Viney, Oliver and Gawn should be drilled to handball at all costs and only kick as a last resort. Of course that means you need a system that ensures there are always receivers on the outside but that seems to be beyond us.

I appreciate the examples shown appear damning but much of the yelling ironically is coming from the same people who yell ‘just kick the thing’.

Glass half empty in me says the fact we’re still using it like this after years of being publically criticised for it suggests we have no hope in changing our ways.

Glass half full in me says once we get back some of our better users (McVee, Windsor with more time, Lindsay) each of those examples could be different in future rounds.

The fact that a teenager can spot the obvious flaws in our ball movement and f50 connection and we haven’t done anything in 5 years about it is so depressing.

But the FD are not completely dumb. I think they know our midfielders lack the skill and awareness to do so otherwise. Week after week after week we see the same stuff from them. It beggars belief.

33 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I appreciate the examples shown appear damning but much of the yelling ironically is coming from the same people who yell ‘just kick the thing’.

Glass half empty in me says the fact we’re still using it like this after years of being publically criticised for it suggests we have no hope in changing our ways.

Glass half full in me says once we get back some of our better users (McVee, Windsor with more time, Lindsay) each of those examples could be different in future rounds.

Literally no one is saying kick the thing to an outnumbered contest

53 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I think a lot of people were waiting for a change. But it hasn’t happened

Goodwin’s Coaching was perfectly suited to Burgess’s Training methods, we would wear teams down in the 2nd half, if Burgess had stayed another 2 years i think we would have taken a 14th Cup.

But sadly he had to go home.

I also think Simon only knows one way to Coach…Learnings have not progressed for a long time…

I agree about burgess he was a bigger loss than we think.

57 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

The main culprits are Viney, Oliver and to a lesser extent Tracc. They constantly burn team mates in better positions forward and on the inside. The fact we look like rubbish but yet are getting ample inside 50’s for an average 10% success rate indicates there is a solution to get us competitive again. I can’t believe the coach has tolerated this for so long. Viney, Oliver and Gawn should be drilled to handball at all costs and only kick as a last resort. Of course that means you need a system that ensures there are always receivers on the outside but that seems to be beyond us.

Max is a liability at centre bounces now he unfortunately cannot jump and just trys to body his opponent and opposition sides have worked that out, and I will say it again we have a one paced lack of skills midfield and that's being found out against sides that will transition the ball with pace.

Some serious questions need to be asked: can you continue to play Viney in the midfield? How does one change Oliver's role because all he is doing is chasing stops, giving him a hard tag, and he cannot cope? The next 4 games might dictate what direction the club takes.

24 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I appreciate the examples shown appear damning but much of the yelling ironically is coming from the same people who yell ‘just kick the thing’.

Glass half empty in me says the fact we’re still using it like this after years of being publically criticised for it suggests we have no hope in changing our ways.

Glass half full in me says once we get back some of our better users (McVee, Windsor with more time, Lindsay) each of those examples could be different in future rounds.

I fully agree with both halves of that glass. We’re obviously winning enough ball to get it inside 50, we just butcher it or continuously burn better options. Our forwards are also in terrible form obvs. So that doesn’t help. But we really don’t (and haven’t for years) maximise their chances of getting a clean grab either.

And I ask this genuinely, does Goodwin look like he’s tried to address the F50 connection problems to you?

At least all the examples led to stoppages. Now show the ones where the ball flings down the other end at warp speed.

PS I hope by watching this video I can help him buy some sort of TV unit to hide those cords.

3 hours ago, Demonland said:

Bring this guy in.

1 hour ago, GS_1905 said:

I think they know our midfielders lack the skill and awareness to do so otherwise. Week after week after week we see the same stuff from them. It beggars belief.

I think this is why we've recruited better ball winners who can play in the midfield. I remember when we drafted Windsor and Kolt and people were dirty we didn't go for forwards. After recruiting HL and XL it definitely seems like we're planning for the future with different players in the middle.

16 minutes ago, BoBo said:

I fully agree with both halves of that glass. We’re obviously winning enough ball to get it inside 50, we just butcher it or continuously burn better options. Our forwards are also in terrible form obvs. So that doesn’t help. But we really don’t (and haven’t for years) maximise their chances of getting a clean grab either.

And I ask this genuinely, does Goodwin look like he’s tried to address the F50 connection problems to you?

18 minutes ago, BoBo said:

I fully agree with both halves of that glass. We’re obviously winning enough ball to get it inside 50, we just butcher it or continuously burn better options. Our forwards are also in terrible form obvs. So that doesn’t help. But we really don’t (and haven’t for years) maximise their chances of getting a clean grab either.

And I ask this genuinely, does Goodwin look like he’s tried to address the F50 connection problems to you?

See Fev even shows how easy it is.

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Literally no one is saying kick the thing to an outnumbered contest

Literally no one puts a caveat on ‘just kick the thing’. And there are plenty that still say it.

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He’s dead right. We have all been saying it for 3 years

But sadly the Coach has other ideas

The coach or are our players not looking inboard and making an easy pass to a player making space to open up the game, selfish, dumb football. Not rewarding a teammate’s efforts or not trusting their ability to make the kick.

1 hour ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I appreciate the examples shown appear damning but much of the yelling ironically is coming from the same people who yell ‘just kick the thing’.

Glass half empty in me says the fact we’re still using it like this after years of being publically criticised for it suggests we have no hope in changing our ways.

Glass half full in me says once we get back some of our better users (McVee, Windsor with more time, Lindsay) each of those examples could be different in future rounds.

All these examples weren't even about the ball use but the decision making.

55 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Max is a liability at centre bounces now he unfortunately cannot jump and just trys to body his opponent and opposition sides have worked that out, and I will say it again we have a one paced lack of skills midfield and that's being found out against sides that will transition the ball with pace.

Some serious questions need to be asked: can you continue to play Viney in the midfield? How does one change Oliver's role because all he is doing is chasing stops, giving him a hard tag, and he cannot cope? The next 4 games might dictate what direction the club takes.

I think Viney has to go as a mainstay of the midfield. He has been a great warrior for us but the game has evolved and he hasn’t, either because he can’t or he won’t. I find it difficult to understand how a footballer at the elite level hasn’t got the peripheral vision and poise to pick out targets around them. I know not every mid can have the vision of a Pendlebury but surely you can try. And that’s the worry for me, that Viney doesn’t even try and fail but continues to just blindly throw it on his left boot to nobody in particular. It’s been an issue for some time. I still have flashbacks of that last dumped kick against Carlton with 30 seconds to go, straight to Walsh? while Tracc was running loose on his inside calling for the handball and us going out in straight sets in 2023.

Can he play the defensive small forward role with brief stints on the ball? I believe he deserves the chance.