PRESEASON TRAINING: Friday 13th December 2024

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,221]

1 minute ago, Earl Hood said:

I agree I believe we have the cattle to finish top 4, again much will depend on luck with injuries, how many and who to but the most important factor to me will be our game plan on game day and under pressure.

We are currently training in the sims with an emphasis on rapid and unpredictable ball movement connecting to players who are in space and on the move. I love it, it looks great and given the high speed, high risk ball movement we saw from the Lions in the finals this year, it is the only way to go. But will we play as we train when opposition pressure is applied and the season drags on? I have watched training in recent years and the sims have always featured quick ball movement but come game day we often revert to the predictable kick the ball long down the line stuff. 

Correct. And this is where Simon Goodwin and the rest of the coaches will need to earn their keep. They need to be reinforcing that they want players to continue to take risks and if errors happen no problem, move on and keep having a crack. I like Goodwin as a coach and man manager, but I do wonder if his defence first mindset does rub off on the players sometimes.

[fr_ap 2,529]

I'm sorry but unless you're talking about Casey, there is absolutely no way goody would be publicly talking about McAdam being picked in round 1. 

I assume he said "he'll be right to go round 1" (meaning available for selection, which would indeed be a good achievement) and it's being embellished. 

Positivity is great but when it crosses the line into fantasy it diminishes all the other observations....

Edited December 14 by fr_ap

[dazzledavey36 55,317]

27 minutes ago, stinga said:

Our backline will be the best in the comp and keep sides to minimal scores.  Our midfield/ruck should be as good as any and have depth.  We need to consistently kick 15 goals a game.  That's 330 for the season.  Picket and Fritsch will kick 80 to 90 of those.   Where do the track watchers see the rest (240) coming from?  Who kicks how many?  If someone else kicks 70 then we are half way there.

Your stakes and expectations are way too high. 

It's physically impossible to back this up week in week out and I would be blatantly surprised if a club has ever done this in the last decade by kicking 15 goals per match, every week.

Our forward line stocks is still young and developing. With Pickett playing more midfield next year, we still lack a genuine small with x factor and ability to be a match winner. 

Looking at Brisbane's smalls for instances, Lohmann (36 goals), Ah Chee (27 goals), Cameron (44 goals) Rayner (31 goals) Bailey (22 goals)

Amazing spread of goalkickers just from their small alone and not counting their talls.

Can't rely on the same usual suspects such as Pickett and Fritsch to kick all our goals week in, week out.

Unfortunately the trade and draft period didn't really give us any real good options to chase another genuine classy small forward so we're going to have to pull a few surprises this year.

[Ghostwriter 1,798]

2 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

I'm sorry but unless you're talking about Casey, there is absolutely no way goody would be publicly talking about McAdam being picked in round 1. 

I assume he said "he'll be right to go round 1" (meaning available for selection, which would indeed be a good achievement) and it's being embellished. 

Positivity is great but when it crosses the line into fantasy it diminishes all the other observations....

Groundhog Day  🙄 same sch!tt, different poster

I share (a small amount of) what I’m told. I don’t fabricate anything… ever. I don’t embellish anything… ever. Some players and staff read Demonland (that’s a fact) so I’d be an !d!ot to post “fantasy” right? I’ve been told negative things too but I choose not to share such.

Please understand that it’s comments like yours above that will drive people like me away. I’m not gonna deal with this every single [censored] week. You think I lie and/or embellish? Fine, that’s your belief (even though it’s inaccurate). But is it necessary to post these accusations? What have you achieved by doing so?

I can’t report your post since you haven’t broken any DL rules (being a jerk doesn’t constitute a breach) but honestly, read the [censored] room. 

 

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,221]

18 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Your stakes and expectations are way too high. 

It's physically impossible to back this up week in week out and I would be blatantly surprised if a club has ever done this in the last decade by kicking 15 goals per match, every week.

Our forward line stocks is still young and developing. With Pickett playing more midfield next year, we still lack a genuine small with x factor and ability to be a match winner. 

Looking at Brisbane's smalls for instances, Lohmann (36 goals), Ah Chee (27 goals), Cameron (44 goals) Rayner (31 goals) Bailey (22 goals)

Amazing spread of goalkickers just from their small alone and not counting their talls.

Can't rely on the same usual suspects such as Pickett and Fritsch to kick all our goals week in, week out.

Unfortunately the trade and draft period didn't really give us any real good options to chase another genuine classy small forward so we're going to have to pull a few surprises this year.

That is an impressive list of smalls. I think Kozzy will still spend some time forward, but increasing his midfield time will be good for the side overall. If we were to do a man by man comparison I think it might be something like this:

- Lohmann > Chandler

- Ah Chee > Fritsch

- Cameron > Kozzy

- Rayner > Trac

- Bailey > Tholstrup 

The question is can we get a similar output from those 5 as the lions got from theirs…

Then the other key area is Daniher 58 goals and Hipwood 33. Can JVR and Turner also try replicate this to some extent. Also shows how big a hole the Lions have to fill now with Daniher retiring. Morris was very good, but as third tall so it will be tougher playing the 2nd tall essentially.

Edited December 14 by DistrACTION Jackson

[Adam The God 30,406]

19 hours ago, adonski said:

Someone posted a few weeks back they thought Disco would have a Jake Waterman like break out year, I reckon they will be bang on

Yep, me too. I'm another with big wraps on Disco, and I think if he stays fit, he'll kick 35+ goals. Bookmark it.

[demoncat 1,514]

14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Your stakes and expectations are way too high. 

It's physically impossible to back this up week in week out and I would be blatantly surprised if a club has ever done this in the last decade by kicking 15 goals per match, every week.

Our forward line stocks is still young and developing. With Pickett playing more midfield next year, we still lack a genuine small with x factor and ability to be a match winner. 

Looking at Brisbane's smalls for instances, Lohmann (36 goals), Ah Chee (27 goals), Cameron (44 goals) Rayner (31 goals) Bailey (22 goals)

Amazing spread of goalkickers just from their small alone and not counting their talls.

Can't rely on the same usual suspects such as Pickett and Fritsch to kick all our goals week in, week out.

Unfortunately the trade and draft period didn't really give us any real good options to chase another genuine classy small forward so we're going to have to pull a few surprises this year.

We’re going to need some mix of Chandler, Kolt, Spargo etc to kick 20+ each next year to be a genuine flag chance 

Fritsch and Kozzie have been our only consistent mid/small forward goal kickers the past few years, and when they’re not kicking bags we generally struggle to score 

Trac could help a lot in this regard if he spends more time forward but it seems like he’s been training exclusively as a mid so far this offseason, and we’re still pretty reliant on him in this position 

[dazzledavey36 55,317]

3 minutes ago, demoncat said:

We’re going to need some mix of Chandler, Kolt, Spargo etc to kick 20+ each next year to be a genuine flag chance 

Fritsch and Kozzie have been our only consistent mid/small forward goal kickers the past few years, and when they’re not kicking bags we generally struggle to score 

Trac could help a lot in this regard if he spends more time forward but it seems like he’s been training exclusively as a mid so far this offseason, and we’re still pretty reliant on him in this position 

Spargo has never kicked over 20 goals in his career.

Can't see him doing it after having a year off. In fact I don't see him currently in our best 22 as we stand to be honest.

Kolt on the other hand I could absolutely see doing.

[binman 43,734]

42 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Groundhog Day  🙄 same sch!tt, different poster

I share (a small amount of) what I’m told. I don’t fabricate anything… ever. I don’t embellish anything… ever. Some players and staff read Demonland (that’s a fact) so I’d be an !d!ot to post “fantasy” right? I’ve been told negative things too but I choose not to share such.

Please understand that it’s comments like yours above that will drive people like me away. I’m not gonna deal with this every single [censored] week. You think I lie and/or embellish? Fine, that’s your belief (even though it’s inaccurate). But is it necessary to post these accusations? What have you achieved by doing so?

I can’t report your post since you haven’t broken any DL rules (being a jerk doesn’t constitute a breach) but honestly, read the [censored] room. 

 

GW can I respectfully ask that you simply ignore any such comments.

Let them through to the keeper.

Please.

I'd ask the same questions you as you do above - is it necessary to respond to these accusations? What have you achieved by doing so?

Responding simply invites a rebuttal from that poster, other posters and almost always another round of circular posts of the sort that simply clogs up threads, not to mention inevitably become more personal and unpleasant.

It's tiresome - and unnecessary. 

There is no need to defend yourself. People wil believe what they want to believe.

Lean into the fact that the vast majority of posters really enjoy your posts, take you at your word and enjoy the banter with players and staff you choose to relay.

The haters are always going to hate.

Of course you are free to post and respond however you want.

But by ignoring the haters you take away their the power  which is their ability to upset you.

And we will have less threads getting derailed.

Edited December 14 by binman

[rpfc 28,763]

1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

You jest, but in terms of availability, as things stand now, we’ll be spoilt for choice. Even the players in “rehab” - and I use that term for want of a better one - no one’s walking around on one leg.

Training this off-season is very different. Sunday is the only full day they are free from any type of training. The conditioning program is different and there’s a more conservative approach to deeming when a player is fully ready to go. There’s also a lot more programming for the individual. It’s not one size fits all.

Yesterday I was told by the admin. of a certain (wonderful) Dees fan forum 😉 that I say this every year. And I guess I do. But this year stands out. So many procedures etc. have changed, new personnel, a new mindset, a newfound sense of pride and unity and a hunger not seen for years; the transformation is astounding.

Have faith and get excited y’all. ❤️💙

I do jest, and there is never a happier time than in pre-season where most are healthy. 

I am forever faithful, I just know there are going to be a disappointed few. Especially if we start well.

[fr_ap 2,529]

Nothing I said was insulting and I am not a 'hater'. 

I value the contributions GW makes and the forum is richer for her involvement given her commitment to sharing the information she does have. Beyond that, I have also said previously that people like her are very important to the club. 

That does not mean I need to believe every word or that I can't call what I think is nonsense out when I read it. I won't apologise for this. Seems I've hit a sensitive spot and I'm not across what some other poster has said...But whatever Goody said about Shane, I would probably have interpreted it differently to how she has. Whatever. It doesn't matter. 

She seems to think this is a noticeboard, or a bulletin, or an email newsletter where the dialogue is one way. It's a forum. 

People said Chris Judd was coming here years ago and got smashed for it. Who cares. It's the internet. I've been smashed plenty of times for my views - including by those now on their high horse in this thread - who preach diversity of thought but clearly don't appreciate it. 

I'm not driving anyone away - plenty like me come here to see both sides of the coin. 

Melodramatic bunch aren't we 

[stinga 585]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Your stakes and expectations are way too high. 

It's physically impossible to back this up week in week out and I would be blatantly surprised if a club has ever done this in the last decade by kicking 15 goals per match, every week.

Our forward line stocks is still young and developing. With Pickett playing more midfield next year, we still lack a genuine small with x factor and ability to be a match winner. 

Looking at Brisbane's smalls for instances, Lohmann (36 goals), Ah Chee (27 goals), Cameron (44 goals) Rayner (31 goals) Bailey (22 goals)

Amazing spread of goalkickers just from their small alone and not counting their talls.

Can't rely on the same usual suspects such as Pickett and Fritsch to kick all our goals week in, week out.

Unfortunately the trade and draft period didn't really give us any real good options to chase another genuine classy small forward so we're going to have to pull a few surprises this year.

Yes average rather than consistently would have been a better word.   I agree you can't kick 15 every week.   Some weeks it will be 10 and others 20.   Thanks for the input.  i agree we'll get across the board other contributors.  I was just hoping the watchers might suggest who the most likely 70 goal other contributor would be.  330 goals is about what you would need to get in the top 8 on last years ladder.

[monoccular 17,573]

5 minutes ago, stinga said:

Yes average rather than consistently would have been a better word.   I agree you can't kick 15 every week.   Some weeks it will be 10 and others 20.   Thanks for the input.  i agree we'll get across the board other contributors.  I was just hoping the watchers might suggest who the most likely 70 goal other contributor would be.  330 goals is about what you would need to get in the top 8 on last years ladder.

Of course nobody can really predict anything much, but for what it is worth I would hope that JVR if not required to do any ruck work other than deep inside our 50, would contribute maybe 50+ goals, and Disco 40+. 

[Ghostwriter 1,798]

42 minutes ago, binman said:

GW can I respectfully ask that you simply ignore any such comments.

Let them through to the keeper.

Please.

I'd ask the same questions you as you do above - is it necessary to respond to these accusations? What have you achieved by doing so?

Responding simply invites a rebuttal from that poster, other posters and almost always another round of circular posts of the sort that simply clogs up threads, not to mention inevitably become more personal and unpleasant.

It's tiresome - and unnecessary. 

There is no need to defend yourself. People wil believe what they want to believe.

Lean into the fact that the vast majority of posters really enjoy your posts, take you at your word and enjoy the banter with players and staff you choose to relay.

The haters are always going to hate.

Of course you are free to post and respond however you want.

But by ignoring the haters you take away their the power  which is their ability to upset you.

And we will have less threads getting derailed.

Believe me, I’m trying! I’m trying so hard. Not everyone is blessed with a thick skin. I don’t enjoy being so sensitive; it sucks.

 And while I’m not quite at Chris Tavarê levels of leaving, I’m trying to let more go through to the keeper. But even that’s no guarantee I’ll not get out. If I stray from my crease I’ll likely be Alex Carey-ed and even up the non-striker’s end I’ll expect to be mankad-ed. That’s a light-hearted way to describe something that personally is a lifelong struggle.

I’ve put known haters on ignore. This poster’s delivery caught me off guard ☹️

[Oxdee 437]

On 13/12/2024 at 13:10, Redleg said:

Jeffo looked good.

Goody has said he will play seniors this year.

Seems that petty will be moved back. Jefferson, Turner, jvr, Kozi, fritch and mcadam will be the forward line. Maybe Langford as well 

[binman 43,734]

1 minute ago, Ghostwriter said:

Believe me, I’m trying! I’m trying so hard. Not everyone is blessed with a thick skin. I don’t enjoy being so sensitive; it sucks.

 And while I’m not quite at Chris Tavarê levels of leaving, I’m trying to let more go through to the keeper. But even that’s no guarantee I’ll not get out. If I stray from my crease I’ll likely be Alex Carey-ed and even up the non-striker’s end I’ll expect to be mankad-ed. That’s a light-hearted way to describe something that personally is a lifelong struggle.

I’ve put known haters on ignore. This poster’s delivery caught me off guard ☹️

That's great you have been refusing to bite more often CW. Thanks.

And the training threads have been much better for that discipline.

Few of us have thick skins, certainly i don't.

Most people are sensitive to criticism and our honesty being questioned. I certainly am.

So it's not about being less sensitive or 'toughening up'.

It's about not responding and fuelling the angst.

You post lots of interesting snippets of conversations with mfc peeps.

Almost all posters like that content.

For whatever reason some don't, and for a small number of posters it seems it's a trigger. 

It really isn't possible on such a forum to stop people posting stuff that might get under someone else's skin - and that’s leaving aside the conversation about whether that is even desirable (ie policing opinion and/or criticism).

Keep up the good work on not biting as often.

Water off a duck's back.

Ommmmmmm.

[fr_ap 2,529]

27 minutes ago, binman said:

That's great you have been refusing to bite more often CW. Thanks.

And the training threads have been much better for that discipline.

Few of us have thick skins, certainly i don't.

Most people are sensitive to criticism and our honesty being questioned. I certainly am.

So it's not about being less sensitive or 'toughening up'.

It's about not responding and fuelling the angst.

You post lots of interesting snippets of conversations with mfc peeps.

Almost all posters like that content.

For whatever reason some don't, and for a small number of posters it seems it's a trigger. 

It really isn't possible on such a forum to stop people posting stuff that might get under someone else's skin - and that’s leaving aside the conversation about whether that is even desirable (ie policing opinion and/or criticism).

Keep up the good work on not biting as often.

Water off a duck's back.

Ommmmmmm.

To be clear I do like the content and said as much.

GW and I are talking privately - never my intention to upset anyone.

[Neil Crompton 5,613]

3 hours ago, fr_ap said:

I'm sorry but unless you're talking about Casey, there is absolutely no way goody would be publicly talking about McAdam being picked in round 1. 

I assume he said "he'll be right to go round 1" (meaning available for selection, which would indeed be a good achievement) and it's being embellished. 

Positivity is great but when it crosses the line into fantasy it diminishes all the other observations....

No matter your intention, your post comes across as very disrespectful - essentially calling GW a liar or at best, a fantasizer - when you could have so easily said something like " maybe you have misinterpreted what Goody said - perhaps he meant available round 1 not necessarily playing in the seniors round 1". 

You have a right to express your opinion, but you should also have a duty to be respectful when doing so - we're all on the same side.  

[DeeSpencer 26,080]

2 hours ago, stinga said:

Yes average rather than consistently would have been a better word.   I agree you can't kick 15 every week.   Some weeks it will be 10 and others 20.   Thanks for the input.  i agree we'll get across the board other contributors.  I was just hoping the watchers might suggest who the most likely 70 goal other contributor would be.  330 goals is about what you would need to get in the top 8 on last years ladder.

Top 8 all scored over 2000 points last year. 2100 seems like a reasonable target.

91 points per game, allowing for at least 7 points that’s 14 goals. Probably more like 13.5.

There’s no chance we unearth a 70 goal kicker this year. That’s Coleman winning level.

One of JVR or Disco probably get in position to kick 40 if they play the full year in a deep role. But I suspect we probably try a number of different combinations and structures during the season.

Either of those guys could be the man for the FF role but we probably try both of them taking more time at CHF (as much as it exists these days), as well as Petty at times, as well as AJ and 2 or 3 talls and some Jeffo time too.

[waynewussell 6,237]

3 hours ago, binman said:

Lean into the fact that the vast majority of posters really enjoy your posts, take you at your word and enjoy the banter with players and staff you choose to relay.

The haters are always going to hate.

This.

[Deestar9 1,647]

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Spargo has never kicked over 20 goals in his career.

Can't see him doing it after having a year off. In fact I don't see him currently in our best 22 as we stand to be honest.

Kolt on the other hand I could absolutely see doing.

If we get a fit Spargo back then a massive plus as far as I’m concerned. I think a few forget his contribution before he went down the very long injury path …

[Deestar9 1,647]

3 hours ago, fr_ap said:

Nothing I said was insulting and I am not a 'hater'. 

I value the contributions GW makes and the forum is richer for her involvement given her commitment to sharing the information she does have. Beyond that, I have also said previously that people like her are very important to the club. 

That does not mean I need to believe every word or that I can't call what I think is nonsense out when I read it. I won't apologise for this. Seems I've hit a sensitive spot and I'm not across what some other poster has said...But whatever Goody said about Shane, I would probably have interpreted it differently to how she has. Whatever. It doesn't matter. 

She seems to think this is a noticeboard, or a bulletin, or an email newsletter where the dialogue is one way. It's a forum. 

People said Chris Judd was coming here years ago and got smashed for it. Who cares. It's the internet. I've been smashed plenty of times for my views - including by those now on their high horse in this thread - who preach diversity of thought but clearly don't appreciate it. 

I'm not driving anyone away - plenty like me come here to see both sides of the coin. 

Melodramatic bunch aren't we 

I still felt your post was derogatory, Maybe you take the advice that Binman gave GW. If you don’t agree with her then let it go. Posters can make their own mind up as to what we believe …we don’t need to post our opinions. They are only of interest to yourself ..

[dazzledavey36 55,317]

3 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

If we get a fit Spargo back then a massive plus as far as I’m concerned. I think a few forget his contribution before he went down the very long injury path …

Each to their own.

Before his injury he was dropped to the VFL a few times during the 2023 season, so he wasn't really in good form anyhow prior to his injury.

I'd like to see him play some solid VFL form before he's considered at AFL level.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,274]

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Each to their own.

Before his injury he was dropped to the VFL a few times during the 2023 season, so he wasn't really in good form anyhow prior to his injury.

I'd like to see him play some solid VFL form before he's considered at AFL level.

He was probably our best in the 2023 SF loss to Carlton. And was a valuable link up person, his inability to kick over 40m hurts but he is very creative with those kicks inside 50.

[dazzledavey36 55,317]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

He was probably our best in the 2023 SF loss to Carlton. And was a valuable link up person, his inability to kick over 40m hurts but he is very creative with those kicks inside 50.

For a small forward he simply doesn't score enough for me. His best tally for a year is 18 which is poor for a small forward that's been in the system for 7 years.

I know goals aren't exactly everything but this is my point about sharing the load in terms of scoring avenues. That's why I listed the smalls for Brisbane and their ability to impact the scoreboard and spread the load.