1 hour ago, Nietaphart said:

GW, that you don’t know.

With respect, taking the subjective high road does not disqualify the objective way.

Fact is I am not able to say unequivocally. Either can you…

At the time I shared on here what I was told by Kozzie and Ardu, that being, amongst other things, that Kozzie wants to stay with us and that he never asked for, nor wanted, a trade.

Short of forcing them to take a polygraph test I’ll never know if they were telling me the truth. And in the absence of a polygraph machine, their word is the best I’ve got.

2 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

With sincere respect, Kozzie never requested a trade. That simply didn’t happen. Easy to say now, I know. But I said it this time last year and “my mail” was Kozzie and Ardu.

LOL of course he did. He may not have handed in a shiny slip saying trade me or else ala Petracca but he certainly had the conversation

Issue is so did ANB Trac and Oliver and club was in no position to let him go

Club said wait a year and he agreed and club did well to turn it around

Edited Tuesday at 11:522 days by Deez21

if find it interesting that @goodwindees ' recruiter friend doesn't overly rate him

crom are in need of a line-breaking half back, where's flagmantle are not

i'm assuming that the latter is the 'contact' until notified otherwise

2 hours ago, Adam The God said:

And things change. As multiple posters have said now, he wasn't good enough to play midfield having been given the chance.

IMO, he isn't good enough to play midfield. He could play back of stoppage, but it was clear from the end of 2024 that he can't handle frontal pressure.

We saw it again in that final Collingwood game in 2025.

He's an excellent half back with an ability to rebound and to lock down. This is where he could be elite.

He's an asset in the back half, but if he wants to play midfield, the club is sensible in not overstating his value (if that's indeed true), because it's not his go.

Frankly I'm over the Judd Mc Vee will he, wont he, bottom line had 1 reasonably good year and average in other , to be perfectly frank I could'nt care less if he goes or stays, NEXT!

30 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

LOL of course he did. He may not have handed in a shiny slip saying trade me or else ala Petracca but he certainly had the conversation

Issue is so did ANB Trac and Oliver and club was in no position to let him go

Club said wait a year and he agreed and club did well to turn it around

How do you know any of this for sure? You’re obviously believing what the media fed you, and that’s your prerogative. I might also believe what was reported had I not heard differently from the very people about whom the rumours swirled. But even then I wouldn’t reply with “LOL of course he did” when challenging someone who’s telling you what they’ve been told straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.

I can only say it a finite number of times before my patience abandons me, which is pretty much right now. You believe what you wanna believe, even if it comes from Tom Morris et al.

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Frankly I'm over the Judd Mc Vee will he, wont he, bottom line had 1 reasonably good year and average in other , to be perfectly frank I could'nt care less if he goes or stays, NEXT!

I think he'll suit King's professed style.

12 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

How do you know any of this for suyou can let it go GW,re? You’re obviously believing what the media fed you, and that’s your prerogative. I might also believe what was reported had I not heard differently from the very people about whom the rumours swirled. But even then I wouldn’t reply with “LOL of course he did” when challenging someone who’s telling you what they’ve been told straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.

I can only say it a finite number of times before my patience abandons me, which is pretty much right now. You believe what you wanna believe, even if it comes from Tom Morris et al.

you can let it go GW History shows you got it right. Save your efforts for all you do for us in the future.

9 minutes ago, dpositive said:

you can let it go GW History shows you got it right. Save your efforts for all you do for us in the future.

Thank you dpositive :) You’re right. I should let it go, and I’m trying to improve in that respect. I probably shouldn’t engage on DL at all when I’m dealing with the challenges that present from time to time with regards to my son’s mental health at which times I’m hyper-sensitive. Sadly though, DL is a haven at times such as this, an escape if you will 🤷‍♀️

I’ll take your advice onboard <3

6 hours ago, sue said:

Possibly. But I wouldn't compare anyone's 'mail' about a player to a face to face interation with that player.

Depends, some people have good mail from industry contacts whereas I would take anything a player said to a supporter with a grain of salt, they may be telling the truth but they also have a vested interest.

I don't think anyone disputes people pass on the information they hear in good faith (whether people with contacts or supporters speaking directly to players) but people need to make their own assessment as to whether to believe the source (contact/player) of that information. I'm sure any reasonable person could understand why someone may have reservations about believing everything a player says to a supporter about their contract status.

6 hours ago, Dee Boys said:

Imagine if you let every player at your club demand to play whatever position they wanted, and acquiesced to it.

That’d be superb coaching! Just the way to run a good footy club!

Christ almighty.

Discussing a players development at an exit meeting/offseason and then refusing to implement that plan isn't letting players choose where they play. Perhaps we could continue rolling with Oliver Viney Petracca as our predominant mids, that certainly worked out well for Goodwin didn't it 🙄

You can't give a kid 5 minutes and then pull the pin. It's called development something we've been poor at for a while now.

There was literally an afl feature after Kozzie resigned that essentially said that Kozzie went up to his new manager and said “get me to Freo.” It was his manager that was like “hold on a sec, look at these guys who went back to WA and their careers failed” and started working to get the money to a point where WA wasn’t even in the picture anymore.

When that information is coming straight from the manager how are we supposed to believe that he never wanted out just because that’s what he told fans?

Fans love to stick their head in the sand and pretend that anything they don’t like is fake news. Can’t rationalise that just because something eventuates, doesn’t mean it wasn’t true at the time. Especially when it’s coming from guys like Twomey who just find make things up.

Edited Tuesday at 14:291 day by mmwd6

God I love the Media. Have I said that before? Fancy having a job (hmm) where you go to the office and you look over shoulders to see what they are writing and ringing. Then you talk to your best co worker and find out what they are hearing and make up a couple of lies to them, and then you have a coffee and make up a story from the lies you heard

6 hours ago, mmwd6 said:

Fans love to stick their head in the sand and pretend that anything they don’t like is fake news. Can’t rationalise that just because something eventuates, doesn’t mean it wasn’t true at the time. Especially when it’s coming from guys like Twomey who just find make things up.

Far too many AFL fans operate in a binary world, where they are unable to understand what can be true in say, December of 2024, is no longer accurate 12 months down the track (despite still being 'true').

I like to make the analogy that I can, right now, say that tonight I'll be attending Store 'A'. I have every intention to attend Store 'A', as it stands. However, 6 hours from now Event 1 may prevent me from attending Store 'A' and as a result I do not attend. That does not take away from my previous intention, and it does not takeaway from my explicit decision from the morning to attend Store 'A'. When you're dealing with human decision making, there's irrevocably a high chance that what is true at a particular point in time regarding a decision, may not have the same output, especially when you're looking at a decision making process over a protracted period of time (i.e., 12 months plus).

Information creep in the football landscape is real, but many arbitrarily deduce decisions to simple correct/false narratives. Personally I'm very sceptical if the AFL community will ever get to a point of maturity that we see in other sports, particularly with reference to trade and free agency. I don't think it's in the psyche of the AFL as entity, nor in the psyche of the ordinary AFL supporter. Overall I think there's an infantile romanticism associated with 'loyalty', 'one club players' etc, even with the addition of Free Agency.

Like you said, Twomey and a few others are highly credible; it's pretty disingenuous the constant noise that's made about media reporting (really, one of the only reporters I would take with an absolute grain of salt is Sam McLure; however, I still wouldn't necessarily say he deliberately spreads 'misinformation'). But it's classic, you rarely see posts critiquing our interest in players at other clubs, however when those very same reporters publish on a matter pertaining to the MFC which isn't seen in a 'positive' manner, it becomes media BS, lies, deliberate and vexatious reporting etc.

Edited Tuesday at 21:261 day by BLWNBA

9 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

if find it interesting that @goodwindees ' recruiter friend doesn't overly rate him

crom are in need of a line-breaking half back, where's flagmantle are not

i'm assuming that the latter is the 'contact' until notified otherwise

Judd isnt a line-breaking half back

8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I'm sure any reasonable person could understand why someone may have reservations about believing everything a player says to a supporter about their contract status.

As opposed to beleiving some random on a footy forum???

(I've had enuff)

33 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Judd isnt a line-breaking half back

Agree, not more than Milera, Laird or Smith anyway. Judd's not going to be Daniel Rioli.

I really hope he stays, he's a good player - clean ball handler, good movement and decision maker. I rate him.

1 hour ago, BLWNBA said:

Far too many AFL fans operate in a binary world, where they are unable to understand what can be true in say, December of 2024, is no longer accurate 12 months down the track (despite still being 'true').

Is this the 'I was right at the time defense' for which we deride journos?

or

I am right it just hasnt happened yet

Mind you sacking the coach means all bets are off and is a game changer.

(I've still had enuff)

1 minute ago, Fritta and Turner said:

Is this the 'I was right at the time defense' for which we deride journos?

or

I am right it just hasnt happened yet

Mind you sacking the coach means all bets are off and is a game changer.

(I've still had enuff)

What?

10 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Depends, some people have good mail from industry contacts whereas I would take anything a player said to a supporter with a grain of salt, they may be telling the truth but they also have a vested interest.

I don't think anyone disputes people pass on the information they hear in good faith (whether people with contacts or supporters speaking directly to players) but people need to make their own assessment as to whether to believe the source (contact/player) of that information. I'm sure any reasonable person could understand why someone may have reservations about believing everything a player says to a supporter about their contract status.

Of course some people have good 'mail'. But just because someone posts that according to their mail, X is true (and they don't give any hint of the source of that mail), that carries much less weight with me than someone who gives their source. Unless the poster has a good historical record of their 'mail' being correct, I don't see why I should give it much credit without a source being quoted.

I have to give more weight to someone who says their source is first hand talking to a player than a bland 'my mail is'. Of course it could still be wrong, things change etc and I dare say that some people could invent a conversation (not saying GW would ever do that).

Wow, 53 pages and not done yet, on whether a player, not a star, signs a new contract with us.

2 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

Far too many AFL fans operate in a binary world, where they are unable to understand what can be true in say, December of 2024, is no longer accurate 12 months down the track (despite still being 'true').

I like to make the analogy that I can, right now, say that tonight I'll be attending Store 'A'. I have every intention to attend Store 'A', as it stands. However, 6 hours from now Event 1 may prevent me from attending Store 'A' and as a result I do not attend. That does not take away from my previous intention, and it does not takeaway from my explicit decision from the morning to attend Store 'A'. When you're dealing with human decision making, there's irrevocably a high chance that what is true at a particular point in time regarding a decision, may not have the same output, especially when you're looking at a decision making process over a protracted period of time (i.e., 12 months plus).

Information creep in the football landscape is real, but many arbitrarily deduce decisions to simple correct/false narratives. Personally I'm very sceptical if the AFL community will ever get to a point of maturity that we see in other sports, particularly with reference to trade and free agency. I don't think it's in the psyche of the AFL as entity, nor in the psyche of the ordinary AFL supporter. Overall I think there's an infantile romanticism associated with 'loyalty', 'one club players' etc, even with the addition of Free Agency.

Like you said, Twomey and a few others are highly credible; it's pretty disingenuous the constant noise that's made about media reporting (really, one of the only reporters I would take with an absolute grain of salt is Sam McLure; however, I still wouldn't necessarily say he deliberately spreads 'misinformation'). But it's classic, you rarely see posts critiquing our interest in players at other clubs, however when those very same reporters publish on a matter pertaining to the MFC which isn't seen in a 'positive' manner, it becomes media BS, lies, deliberate and vexatious reporting etc.

Ditto this point @BLWNBA and I personally think it’s a big reason why equalisation in the AFL is failing

I think the AFL and AFL fans need to be far less parochial when it comes to player movement, and we need to move to a more modern trade and free agency system in keeping with international sports

And ironically I think this would actually feed more engagement with the AFL (which AFL HQ wants) and allow clubs to more easily improve via trade and free agency (which all fans want for their own club)

We don’t need to become the NBA where players are shipped across the country at will, but we’re certainly behind the times when it comes a range of player movement issues, both as an industry and as fans

Edited Tuesday at 23:401 day by demoncat

15 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Wow, 53 pages and not done yet, on whether a player, not a star, signs a new contract with us.

Wow indeed.

I’d like him to stay as I think he could potentially be a starting 18 player on a very good team.

My question is, what does peak McVee look like? What’s the comparison?

In my mind he is a role player/utility who could move around the ground who beat skills. I don’t think he is going to be any better than that.

31 minutes ago, demoncat said:

when it comes a range of player movement issues

Which sort of ones?

When I think international sport, I think mostly of extravagant inequality.

8 minutes ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

Which sort of ones?

When I think international sport, I think mostly of extravagant inequality.

I watch a lot of American sports and would argue the NFL and NBA have had a wider range of teams genuinely competing for championships over the last few years than in the AFL, and I think part of this is that there are less barriers to teams improving their rosters via trade

For example, teams have significantly more cap space in these leagues, meaning smaller teams/teams with less highly paid players have significantly more money to offer prospective players

Compare that to the AFL where, other than TDK recently, the monetary difference between joining a smaller/less successful club and a big/successful club isn’t enough to sway most players - i.e. there is really no incentive for a good player to go to a North compared to a Collingwood when their earning ability is largely the same

Granted that is more to do with player payments - which I think should be far higher - but it’s one example

Another is teams having more rights to trade players/contracts without consent of players. This is obviously a far more contentious issue, but in my opinion the AFL needs to give more control to clubs to trade their players. The relative lack of player movement combined with players only wanting to move to successful clubs, doesn’t give smaller/less successful clubs many levers to improve their list. Again, I’m not arguing for players not having consent, but it’s an area I think the league needs to push the balance back towards the clubs.

Then there are a range of other smaller measures like being able to trade players a team has drafted on draft night, further future trading of draft picks, more malleable contracts that give players and clubs more opportunities to trade throughout the life of the deal etc.

Don’t get me wrong, the AFL does a lot of things much better than international sporting codes, and I know our clubs not being private will limit a lot of the contract issues I raised, but I don’t think the league is pulling all the levers it can to give all clubs a genuine shot at success

10 minutes ago, demoncat said:

I watch a lot of American sports and would argue the NFL and NBA have had a wider range of teams genuinely competing for championships over the last few years than in the AFL, and I think part of this is that there are less barriers to teams improving their rosters via trade

For example, teams have significantly more cap space in these leagues, meaning smaller teams/teams with less highly paid players have significantly more money to offer prospective players

Compare that to the AFL where, other than TDK recently, the monetary difference between joining a smaller/less successful club and a big/successful club isn’t enough to sway most players - i.e. there is really no incentive for a good player to go to a North compared to a Collingwood when their earning ability is largely the same

Granted that is more to do with player payments - which I think should be far higher - but it’s one example

Another is teams having more rights to trade players/contracts without consent of players. This is obviously a far more contentious issue, but in my opinion the AFL needs to give more control to clubs to trade their players. The relative lack of player movement combined with players only wanting to move to successful clubs, doesn’t give smaller/less successful clubs many levers to improve their list. Again, I’m not arguing for players not having consent, but it’s an area I think the league needs to push the balance back towards the clubs.

Then there are a range of other smaller measures like being able to trade players a team has drafted on draft night, further future trading of draft picks, more malleable contracts that give players and clubs more opportunities to trade throughout the life of the deal etc.

Don’t get me wrong, the AFL does a lot of things much better than international sporting codes, and I know our clubs not being private will limit a lot of the contract issues I raised, but I don’t think the league is pulling all the levers it can to give all clubs a genuine shot at success

Exhibit A, Luke Jackson.

I have mentioned it before but I find it farcical that these draft rookies only get a 2 year contract.

It should be 3+1 at least (team option on the 4th year).

How is it OK for teams to lose their top 5 picks after 2 years? Don't even get me started on JHF.