I am disappointed not getting Wade, not that I know anything about him, other than his age and height and 0 games so far, but rather for the simple fact that TL and JT wanted him and I trust their judgment.

If they wanted him it it was for a reason.

The fact that he is probably the lowest player on the totem pole of players seeking a trade and yet couldn't get traded is baffling, when you consider he hasn't played a game in his first 2 years as a mature age recruit and is now 11th in line for the role he plays.

Someone used Jeffo as a comparison but he was a high draft pick and was taken at 18 and these players are given more time to develop.

Can anyone here see him playing ahead of a fit Hogan, Cadman, Taylor, Buckley, Himmelberg, Riccardi, Gruzewski, Brown, Aleer, O'Keefe and now Stringer. 

He asked to be traded for more opportunity and a better contract, to look after his wife and 3 kids. GWS said no. We let a Premiership player who was 3rd in the B and F go home for compassionate reasons.

We are not talking about Taylor or Cadman for example.

I hope his Manager remembers this and if Wade doesn't get a game next year, hopefully he gives it to McCartney. 

20 minutes ago, layzie said:

Kurt never died? Cobain?

Hi Fan, shh. I don't want Courtney to know I am alive and living the quiet life in country Victoria. 

4 hours ago, Roost it far said:

You could end up spot on and both Derksen and Jefferson will have long and successful careers. All I’m saying is that the odds are against Derksen and I don’t see it in Jefferson. I’d be stoked to be 100% wrong on both of them. Unfortunately for them I’m never wrong, maybe once but that was years ago. 

Really never made an error of judgement?  How about listing a few more wisdom statements ? 

39 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I am disappointed not getting Wade, not that I know anything about him, other than his age and height and 0 games so far, but rather for the simple fact that TL and JT wanted him and I trust their judgment.

If they wanted him it it was for a reason.

The fact that he is probably the lowest player on the totem pole of players seeking a trade and yet couldn't get traded is baffling, when you consider he hasn't played a game in his first 2 years as a mature age recruit and is now 11th in line for the role he plays.

Someone used Jeffo as a comparison but he was a high draft pick and was taken at 18 and these players are given more time to develop.

Can anyone here see him playing ahead of a fit Hogan, Cadman, Taylor, Buckley, Himmelberg, Riccardi, Gruzewski, Brown, Aleer, O'Keefe and now Stringer. 

He asked to be traded for more opportunity and a better contract, to look after his wife and 3 kids. GWS said no. We let a Premiership player who was 3rd in the B and F go home for compassionate reasons.

We are not talking about Taylor or Cadman for example.

I hope his Manager remembers this and if Wade doesn't get a game next year, hopefully he gives it to McCartney. 

Do you don’t  think  we should have given ANB a clearance to go home? After all his decade of service and team orientation towards our success etc. 

O’Keefe is a very ordinary player and it’s not fair comparing say Hogan with Wade. He is staring his career and needs opportunities which it looks like he won’t get. 

They just refused because they had already lost better players to make a stand. Very hard on Wade hope he doesn’t give up. 

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

And I agree with him.

I think Jeffo can make it despite what an assistant coach said.

He should be ready to go this season.

PS: I can't say much about Adams, but I am a Verrall fan and think he will make it as well.

We can assess at the end of 25.

I'm not sold on Jefferson and I'm not writing him off entirely either. Just thought it was funny given how picket ****cans certain players and then hitches his wagon to some other strange choices.

10 hours ago, 58er said:

Do you don’t  think  we should have given ANB a clearance to go home? After all his decade of service and team orientation towards our success etc. 

O’Keefe is a very ordinary player and it’s not fair comparing say Hogan with Wade. He is staring his career and needs opportunities which it looks like he won’t get. 

They just refused because they had already lost better players to make a stand. Very hard on Wade hope he doesn’t give up. 

Read my post again.

I never said we shouldn't trade ANB.

If O'Keefe is such an ordinary player, it shows what Giants thought of Wade, as O;'Keefe played games and Wade didn't.

I didn't compare Wade with Hogan.

I said that there were probably 11 players who play his role/position, that he is clearly behind and on that basis, having been there 2 years as a mature aged player, without playing a single game and having a good reason to want to leave, unlike us with ANB, they refused to assist him.

9 hours ago, Adam The God said:

I'm not sold on Jefferson and I'm not writing him off entirely either. Just thought it was funny given how picket ****cans certain players and then hitches his wagon to some other strange choices.

So you are having a bit each way on Jeffo, not sold on him, but also not writing him off entirely. So you will be correct whatever happens with him. That is fine and it is also fine for Picket to have his opinion on players. I won't defend him because he is a big boy and can do that himself, if needed.

I recall plenty on DL wanting McVee and JJ delisted, when they hadn't played a game and those same people are probably fans of both now.

We all have favourites and some make it and others don't, but I don't know what you mean about the other strange choices you suggest he has hitched his wagon to, which players were they?

I personally would have liked to get Kennedy, a big bodied mid who can also score when forward, but obviously our FD don't agree with me. I think with Tracc and Clarry getting over injuries, we are light on for good quick mids and if we don't take two more in the draft, who can play early, it could be a problem if injuries strike again.

Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Redleg

I don't know if this has been  mentioned at all, but it looks like Wade might get a game after all in the first month of the 2025 season.

With all these potential suspensions to be handed out for Wacky Wednesday, this could be the reason BWS didn't want to release him.

Greedy prix.

I wonder if we decide to keep Adam Tomlinson now that we missed out on Wade Derksen?

At least we know what we are going to get with Adam Tomlinson who is a reliable (but slow) defender.

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

So you are having a bit each way on Jeffo, not sold on him, but also not writing him off entirely. So you will be correct whatever happens with him. That is fine and it is also fine for Picket to have his opinion on players. I won't defend him because he is a big boy and can do that himself, if needed.

I recall plenty on DL wanting McVee and JJ delisted, when they hadn't played a game and those same people are probably fans of both now.

We all have favourites and some make it and others don't, but I don't know what you mean about the other strange choices you suggest he has hitched his wagon to, which players were they?

I personally would have liked to get Kennedy, a big bodied mid who can also score when forward, but obviously our FD don't agree with me. I think with Tracc and Clarry getting over injuries, we are light on for good quick mids and if we don't take two more in the draft, who can play early, it could be a problem if injuries strike again.

The reason I'm fence sitting is it's foolish without all the facts to write off players, and as you rightly point out, some players like McVee and co take time. Countless others. Max, Nev Jetta are others I got wrong, at least I couldn't see them as the players they became.

The other variable is talls take longer.

But the foolish, knee jerk side of me would say he won't be good enough for AFL level. 

Let's see what he looks like at the level next year though.

Jefferson is a strange enough one to hitch your wagon too. Blind Freddy could tell Oliver was going to be a star from his very first game, so being a Clarry Choo Choo subscriber doesn't hold much water.

Edited October 17, 2024Oct 17 by Adam The God

I was thinking the only hold up was GWS getting Stringer.

Not sure how Derksen gets a game now.

This is a really frustrating outcome. We had a need for Wade - who hasn't played a senior game yet, and wanted to come home to his family. 

We correctly let ANB (as a required player and within contract) go. GWS held onto Wade for no valid reason. 

Probably speaks more to their culture than ours - wonder if that will be examined. 

1 hour ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

This is a really frustrating outcome. We had a need for Wade - who hasn't played a senior game yet, and wanted to come home to his family. 

We correctly let ANB (as a required player and within contract) go. GWS held onto Wade for no valid reason. 

Probably speaks more to their culture than ours - wonder if that will be examined. 

I think it’s being examined right now.

1 hour ago, Adam The God said:

The reason I'm fence sitting is it's foolish without all the facts to write off players, and as you rightly point out, some players like McVee and co take time. Countless others. Max, Nev Jetta are others I got wrong, at least I couldn't see them as the players they became.

The other variable is talls take longer.

But the foolish, knee jerk side of me would say he won't be good enough for AFL level. 

Let's see what he looks like at the level next year though.

Jefferson is a strange enough one to hitch your wagon too. Blind Freddy could tell Oliver was going to be a star from his very first game, so being a Clarry Choo Choo subscriber doesn't hold much water.

Jeffo will probably have to step up this year, or his list spot will be in jeopardy.

Even tall players who may take longer to develop only get a limited time on a list if they are not showing something.

I think Jeffo will get some chances this year.

20 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I think it’s being examined right now.

Yes, with respect to the other stuff. But given the microscopic level scrutiny we have received with everything, I hope this is bundled together with the other issues. 

It should be noted Wade Dersken wasn't involved with the "Whacky Wednesday" antics.

Probably another reason  he wanted to leave GWS!

Just a shame it never worked out during this year's trade period.

I’d imagine we won’t be be bending over backwards to assist GWS if they want another Toby Bedford from us.

They turned a pick in the 40’s into a very nice player, and didn’t particularly repay the goodwill 2 years later.

4 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I’d imagine we won’t be be bending over backwards to assist GWS if they want another Toby Bedford from us.

They turned a pick in the 40’s into a very nice player, and didn’t particularly repay the goodwill 2 years later.

I think you’ll find we bend over whichever way is requested for almost everyone. I was stunned we had the intestinal fortitude to say no to Geelong for Clarry.

So we let ANB go for family reasons and our culture is apparently [censored] house.
GWS hold onto Derksen for SWF even though he wants to move for family reasons. What a [censored] joke GWS are. PATHETIC CLUB AND CULTURE. 

43 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I’d imagine we won’t be be bending over backwards to assist GWS if they want another Toby Bedford from us.

They turned a pick in the 40’s into a very nice player, and didn’t particularly repay the goodwill 2 years later.

GWS CAN GAGF for any future trades. 

On 17/10/2024 at 09:14, Redleg said:

Read my post again.

I never said we shouldn't trade ANB.

If O'Keefe is such an ordinary player, it shows what Giants thought of Wade, as O;'Keefe played games and Wade didn't.

I didn't compare Wade with Hogan.

I said that there were probably 11 players who play his role/position, that he is clearly behind and on that basis, having been there 2 years as a mature aged player, without playing a single game and having a good reason to want to leave, unlike us with ANB, they refused to assist him.

Thanks Redleg maybe it was someone else that intimated we shouldn’t have given ANB  his wishes. But the fact that you listed 11 players that GWS have above Wade in their pecking order is wrong for them to refuse on the grounds heasked for a clearance to us. 

The reason I suggested that Wade was a 2 and half year player he was similar time of 2 seasons to Jeffo and he is near to getting his chance. I done subscribe yo the time principal but to treat each player on their own development and progress. And that is comparable to Jeffo in their journey. I also have no real idea on who Wade would replace to come into our AFL team but he rucks plays defence and forward so is versatile and well credentialed to opportunity.  Jeffo probably only forward but a half forward flank could suit him early and go to a KFP in the future as necessary or planned at our time. 

I hope Wade keeps asking for a move now next trade period. 

1 minute ago, 58er said:

Thanks Redleg maybe it was someone else that intimated we shouldn’t have given ANB  his wishes. But the fact that you listed 11 players that GWS have above Wade in their pecking order is wrong for them to refuse on the grounds heasked for a clearance to us. 

The reason I suggested that Wade was a 2 and half year player he was similar time of 2 seasons to Jeffo and he is near to getting his chance. I done subscribe yo the time principal but to treat each player on their own development and progress. And that is comparable to Jeffo in their journey. I also have no real idea on who Wade would replace to come into our AFL team but he rucks plays defence and forward so is versatile and well credentialed to opportunity.  Jeffo probably only forward but a half forward flank could suit him early and go to a KFP in the future as necessary or planned at our time. 

I hope Wade keeps asking for a move now next trade period. 

I guess the question is if Wade still can’t crack it for a game in the seniors and his form in the 2s is just ok will we still have interest? 

4 minutes ago, Sydee said:

I guess the question is if Wade still can’t crack it for a game in the seniors and his form in the 2s is just ok will we still have interest? 

Yes a lot can happen in  1 season. 

 Bookmark.  Derksen for 2025 trade period.  

18 hours ago, DemonOX said:

GWS CAN GAGF for any future trades. 

I wonder if person has a case for unsafe culture at the giants post breakup party and demands a contract release?