23 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

I have heard an unverifiable rumour so chose to ignore if you wish. Roffey will depart and be replaced by Steve Smith (I think that was the name I heard) former MCC president.

 

I thought it was just in addition to, to take the free spot?

20 hours ago, dino rover said:

“The Dunning-Kruger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) effect is a well-known psychological phenomenon that describes the tendency for individuals to overestimate their level of intelligence, knowledge, or competence in a particular area. They may also simultaneously misjudge the intelligence, expertise, or competence of others. In other words, they are ignorant of their own ignorance.”

Is there wide application to this discussion?

how many posters have any experience in a governance role or a senior executive role?

how many know the difference between a board/ director role and an executive role?

A board’s role is to steer not row.

the President doesn’t have to be the primary spokesperson for the organisation or negotiate with an employee as suggested here

mostly the judgement here has been on the media skills or lack thereof of roffey as if that is the one determining factor in judging a president 

and at the end of the day CP having courted alternatives stays put!

I largely agree Dino the board is there to steer and not drive day to day, but when speaking, the President (or any board member for that matter), should be well across the issues(s) of which they are speaking about. 

And, they should be able to inspire confidence in that organisation's ability to manage/resolve that issue. 

3 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

I largely agree Dino the board is there to steer and not drive day to day, but when speaking, the President (or any board member for that matter), should be well across the issues(s) of which they are speaking about. 

And, they should be able to inspire confidence in that organisation's ability to manage/resolve that issue. 

And how do you know this is not happening, or would you prefer to believe some journalist, do you really think all the so called issues we have or supposed to have are not being discussed.

 

Caro never misses an opportunity to put the boot into Kate.

An external review is the only legitimate review. You cannot review yourself. 
If we don’t get somebody external to conduct a review from top to bottom, then we are just doing a half arsed job for optics 

John Ralph has mentioned that Smith has been asked by the board to fill the vacant position on the board at the end of the year. He also mentioned that he won’t considering sitting on the board just to be a board member and that if he accepts he is likely to be the next president and will replace Roffey.

edit: spelling

Edited September 2, 20241 yr by Bonkers

The most interesting point in Wilson's monologue is that Kate Roffey discussed with Smith, two weeks ago, his coming on board and possibly taking over from her as President...

Before the so-called 'train wreck' interview with Whateley...

Before Morris called her position untenable (hinting at a possible racist point of view she expressed about players getting homesick)

It seems Kate, after 8 years on the MFC Board and three years as President, has managed her own exit according to her own priorities.

On 01/09/2024 at 19:58, dino rover said:

“The Dunning-Kruger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) effect is a well-known psychological phenomenon that describes the tendency for individuals to overestimate their level of intelligence, knowledge, or competence in a particular area. They may also simultaneously misjudge the intelligence, expertise, or competence of others. In other words, they are ignorant of their own ignorance.”

Mazing. Lovett.  Are you saying that I dont know what I dont know?

(The Fritter-Turner effect is a tendency for players to overestimate their ability to kick a goal from any part of the ground.  When Turner plays in defense it becomes the Backman Turner effect known to send everyone into over drive.)

My brain is pickled from too much CP5.

On 01/09/2024 at 19:58, dino rover said:

“The Dunning-Kruger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) effect is a well-known psychological phenomenon that describes the tendency for individuals to overestimate their level of intelligence, knowledge, or competence in a particular area. They may also simultaneously misjudge the intelligence, expertise, or competence of others. In other words, they are ignorant of their own ignorance.”

 

Nothing football related, but that seems like an incomplete description of the DK effect?

6 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

And how do you know this is not happening, or would you prefer to believe some journalist, do you really think all the so called issues we have or supposed to have are not being discussed.

Because I heard her speak and sadly Kate couldn't inspire me to cross the street to pick up a $50 note stuck in chain link fence 

7 hours ago, waynewussell said:

The most interesting point in Wilson's monologue is that Kate Roffey discussed with Smith, two weeks ago, his coming on board and possibly taking over from her as President...

Before the so-called 'train wreck' interview with Whateley...

Before Morris called her position untenable (hinting at a possible racist point of view she expressed about players getting homesick)

It seems Kate, after 8 years on the MFC Board and three years as President, has managed her own exit according to her own priorities.

And yet despite the current board inviting interest from Smith, the media are suggesting its a challenge ... talk about twisting the facts

7 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Because I heard her speak and sadly Kate couldn't inspire me to cross the street to pick up a $50 note stuck in chain link 

Impressive.....you need inspiring in life?

6 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Impressive.....you need inspiring in life?

Thanks, pleased I've impressed you 

12-13 years ago @Satyriconhomeattitude was exactly the same as it is now….

 

”Nothing to see here…”

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

12-13 years ago @Satyriconhomeattitude was exactly the same as it is now….

 

”Nothing to see here…”

Similar to yours then SWYL any opportunity to kick the club.

Always remember saying you don't have a membership, have you bought one yet?

Edited September 3, 20241 yr by Satyriconhome

43 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Similar to yours then SWYL any opportunity to kick the club.

Always remember saying you don't have a membership, have you bought one yet?

I am not kicking the Club at all

That is being done from inside. I want a full external review so that problems i have known about for over 12 months can be flushed out

Been an MCC Member since ‘92 and an MFC Member since 2000. 
 

Any more Questions??

Edited September 3, 20241 yr by Sir Why You Little

Say what you want, we got a Premiership which no other administration has ever managed. A full book of sponsors, premiership, we have probably had the most stable administration for decades.

On 01/09/2024 at 19:58, dino rover said:

“The Dunning-Kruger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) effect is a well-known psychological phenomenon that describes the tendency for individuals to overestimate their level of intelligence, knowledge, or competence in a particular area. They may also simultaneously misjudge the intelligence, expertise, or competence of others. In other words, they are ignorant of their own ignorance.”

Is there wide application to this discussion?

how many posters have any experience in a governance role or a senior executive role?

how many know the difference between a board/ director role and an executive role?

A board’s role is to steer not row.

the President doesn’t have to be the primary spokesperson for the organisation or negotiate with an employee as suggested here

mostly the judgement here has been on the media skills or lack thereof of roffey as if that is the one determining factor in judging a president 

and at the end of the day CP having courted alternatives stays put!

Top post @dino rover. There is a significant body of research supporting the Dunning-Kruger effect, which describes how individuals with low ability in a particular domain often overestimate their competence. Recent studies delve deeper into this phenomenon, suggesting that the most dangerous person in any organisation may be the one who is both incompetent and unaware of their incompetence. This combination can lead to overconfidence, poor decision-making, and an inability to recognize or correct errors, potentially causing significant harm to the organisation and its stakeholders.

27 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Top post @dino rover. There is a significant body of research supporting the Dunning-Kruger effect, which describes how individuals with low ability in a particular domain often overestimate their competence. Recent studies delve deeper into this phenomenon, suggesting that the most dangerous person in any organisation may be the one who is both incompetent and unaware of their incompetence. This combination can lead to overconfidence, poor decision-making, and an inability to recognize or correct errors, potentially causing significant harm to the organisation and its stakeholders.

sounds like a good description of the afl and its attendant fan club loosely described as the media 😂

20 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

sounds like a good description of the afl and its attendant fan club loosely described as the media 😂

Sounds like most AFL club executives.

On 02/09/2024 at 11:24, waynewussell said:

The most interesting point in Wilson's monologue is that Kate Roffey discussed with Smith, two weeks ago, his coming on board and possibly taking over from her as President...

Before the so-called 'train wreck' interview with Whateley...

Before Morris called her position untenable (hinting at a possible racist point of view she expressed about players getting homesick)

It seems Kate, after 8 years on the MFC Board and three years as President, has managed her own exit according to her own priorities.

Looks like good forward planning by someone with the best interests of the club at heart.

Fairly disappointing the attitude some supporters (not aimed at WW by the way) take towards a premiership club president, mostly because of a single poor interview.

Call me a cynic but Caro's piece on Monday was a massive tonal shift from the line the club has gone with over the past 12 months.

That info felt like it came straight from the board and probably Roffey herself.

One week ago there was no chance of an independent review, our issues were just isolated incidents, best culture in 40 years etc. By Monday the club was strongly considering a review and Roffey was planning her exit. Only after the conclusion of the mess of the last few weeks did we learn of the Steve Smith approach and the possibility that he may be the club's next president. It's all a bit convenient.

That being said at the end of the day I'm not really fussed if the right outcome is reached.

On 01/09/2024 at 19:58, dino rover said:

“The Dunning-Kruger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) effect is a well-known psychological phenomenon that describes the tendency for individuals to overestimate their level of intelligence, knowledge, or competence in a particular area. They may also simultaneously misjudge the intelligence, expertise, or competence of others. In other words, they are ignorant of their own ignorance.”

Is there wide application to this discussion?

how many posters have any experience in a governance role or a senior executive role?

how many know the difference between a board/ director role and an executive role?

A board’s role is to steer not row.

the President doesn’t have to be the primary spokesperson for the organisation or negotiate with an employee as suggested here

mostly the judgement here has been on the media skills or lack thereof of roffey as if that is the one determining factor in judging a president 

and at the end of the day CP having courted alternatives stays put!

 

On 02/09/2024 at 20:30, BoBo said:

Nothing football related, but that seems like an incomplete description of the DK effect?

 

13 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Top post @dino rover. There is a significant body of research supporting the Dunning-Kruger effect, which describes how individuals with low ability in a particular domain often overestimate their competence. Recent studies delve deeper into this phenomenon, suggesting that the most dangerous person in any organisation may be the one who is both incompetent and unaware of their incompetence. This combination can lead to overconfidence, poor decision-making, and an inability to recognize or correct errors, potentially causing significant harm to the organisation and its stakeholders.

 

12 hours ago, daisycutter said:

sounds like a good description of the afl and its attendant fan club loosely described as the media 😂

 

12 hours ago, JJJ said:

Sounds like most AFL club executives.

100 percent all of the above. And you are right @BoBo, the above is brief. But does attempt to deal with the phenomena at a high level. To support the above observations, research confirms that:

• about 1 percent of the general population are psychopathic
• this figure rises to 3.9 percent in the workplace population
• most of the psychopaths in the workplace are in senior management positions.

The AFL employs around 2000 people. That means about three (3) in every club on average (allowing a percentage at head office as well). If we were to include the media, the figures would zoom up exponentially I would have thought.

3 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

 

 

 

 

100 percent all of the above. And you are right @BoBo, the above is brief. But does attempt to deal with the phenomena at a high level. To support the above observations, research confirms that:

• about 1 percent of the general population are psychopathic
• this figure rises to 3.9 percent in the workplace population
• most of the psychopaths in the workplace are in senior management positions.

The AFL employs around 2000 people. That means about three (3) in every club on average (allowing a percentage at head office as well). If we were to include the media, the figures would zoom up exponentially I would have thought.

Fascinating and scary numbers. I knew about the Senior Management scenario