Garry Lyon’s take

55 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Not so sure about that. Many people just watched the clip from Twitter/X on Demonland without getting click baited onto a channel 9 article. Demonland earned game day ad revenue on a Tuesday.

You’re Tom’s source aren’t you?!?

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

OOC at the end of this year.

Iirc, someone on here posted quite a while back that Choco has a 'best before' of 2-3 years at a club in which his effectiveness holds.

What was his record before coming to us (obviously he won a flag at PA)?

3 hours ago, Little Richard said:

The crux of Trac's issue lies mostly with one person in the football department and I would be surprised if they're still at the MFC in 2025. The sauce is good.

So name them

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am glad that Players are voicing opinions. I said it last night. This piece of “news” has done one thing, it’s opened the door 

Big change must happen over Summer and they will…

I’m putting money on big changes not happening. Probably moderate changes. Not unlike a lot of off seasons.

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Because clubs are accountable to members, whereas journalists are only accountable to the sock they keep in their bedside table.

This particular journo is single so I don’t think the bedside table is necessary.

28 pages of hearsay is hilarious.

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Trac would be one of the most influential players at our club. So if there's any truth to the rumors about issues with our club culture, it’s the senior players like Trac who should be reflecting on their own leadership, rather than looking to leave.

1 hour ago, Heart Beats True said:

Agree that development has been ok however his role as kicking coach leaves a bit to be desired based on results the last two seasons.

You can’t polish a [censored]. Recruit bad kicks, live with bad kicks, as they say.

7 hours ago, BringBackTheDemon said:

We were 3rd for scoring in 2021, 6th in 2022, 7th in 2023, and 14th in 2024. When we won the flag it definitely wasn't ugly. You need to be able to score/have multiple ways of winning games, which we havent for the past 3 years. 

apart from 2021, virtually the places we will have finished in each of those years?

2021-2023 were the best three consecutive years i've had as a dees fan - i felt confident that if were weren't winning the game then we'd be in it to win it every week without fail

1 hour ago, binman said:

Very reasonable questions - particularly about the efficacy long term of a model that has players repeatedly saying variations of 'no club trains harder than we do'.

Maybe the Burgess Griffith method and philosophy has a shelf life?

Maybe every method does.

There are so many variables (eg the impact of two byes, evolution of game plans) and mitigating factors (injury, interrupted preseasons, youth of the list) it's hard to fairly assess the high performance program.

But as is my wont I like to lean into known facts.

And one clear fact is the only part of the season where we were running out games to a level the game demands is in the first seven or so rounds- ie when you'd expect us to be in the best possible condition.

And another fact is blind freddy can see that, as evidenced by a number of data points (eg our last quarter scoring)we are paddling atm.

On the positive side of the ledger, we have once again had comparatively very few soft tissue injuries.

Most professional cyclists require change of training methods after 4-5 years. Unless they are on rocket fuel of course.

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

Rivers, Koz, McVee, Windsor, Kolt, AMW, Howes, JVR, Turner, Bowey and now Jefferson all sit in his program. And Petty, Chandler and Spargo have all come through it recently.

Not quite sure if you're serious...

I agree with most of what you say but I do not get the Bowey love. To me he hasn’t really progressed since early 2022.

I think our development is on par with most clubs.

Only 1/2 page of more comments in the last 1/2 hour? That is poor effort DL. I too don't like the direction this thread is taking. 

7 minutes ago, JJJ said:

I agree with most of what you say but I do not get the Bowey love. To me he hasn’t really progressed since early 2022.

 

True, but he also sustained a serious injury in round 0 (thru sheer bravery!) that saw him miss 2 months of football. His season never recovered.

41 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Iirc, someone on here posted quite a while back that Choco has a 'best before' of 2-3 years at a club in which his effectiveness holds.

What was his record before coming to us (obviously he won a flag at PA)?

Previous to us he had:

3 years at Richmond

2 years at GWS

9 years at Port Adelaide as head coach. 

23 minutes ago, tincan said:

Trac would be one of the most influential players at our club. So if there's any truth to the rumors about issues with our club culture, it’s the senior players like Trac who should be reflecting on their own leadership, rather than looking to leave.

Like x 1000.

These are the guys who were out on the field and had the opportunity to affect the result for the club in big finals the last 2 years.

Sounds like lots of issues behind the scenes at the Hawks during their golden period last decade...but when push came to shove their leaders stood up where it really matters (on the field) and found a way to get it done. Ours have failed. That's where I'd be looking in the end of season review. Maybe ours just aren't good enough.

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Previous to us he had:

3 years at Richmond

2 years at GWS

9 years at Port Adelaide as head coach. 

He was 12 years at Port.  Had 6 more years after their flag.  

The club puts out a damage control email, something they never ordinarily do unless there is a big story, and people genuinely take it as the club being in control of the story and putting the journalists to rights.

If this was idle speculation, and Trac was perfectly happy, they wouldn't have bothered to release a statement.

The footy club is a business that these people run. They have at no point denied the story, and simply said they won't be indulging a trade request but will be taking his feedback about the direction of the club in the nature it was intended.

3 minutes ago, Pirlo said:

The club puts out a damage control email, something they never ordinarily do unless there is a big story, and people genuinely take it as the club being in control of the story and putting the journalists to rights.

If this was idle speculation, and Trac was perfectly happy, they wouldn't have bothered to release a statement.

The footy club is a business that these people run. They have at no point denied the story, and simply said they won't be indulging a trade request but will be taking his feedback about the direction of the club in the nature it was intended.

And in that lies the truth.

No denial around Trac being disgruntled or even denial around Trac requesting a trade. 

Instead Pert chose to reinforce that he will not be traded. Is that a public shot back at Trac giving him his answer?

7 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

And in that lies the truth.

No denial around Trac being disgruntled or even denial around Trac requesting a trade. 

Instead Pert chose to reinforce that he will not be traded. Is that a public shot back at Trac giving him his answer?

They didn’t need any denial he requested a trade because he hasn’t requested one - is this not obvious? 

Good on Trac if he's p**sed off with where we are at. I hope he and all players can have open and honest discussions with the club and expect to be heard. There must be issues they want to vent or shout about given our decline. FCS we could end up bottom 4, what player wouldn't think we need changes? But they also need to be part of the solution 

I can understand Trac being unhappy with some things, including how his injury was apparently handled, but it's a long bow to think that he wants out

Either way, it's all speculation and rumour. We probably know sfa about the truth on this.

1 hour ago, von said:

I’m putting money on big changes not happening. Probably moderate changes. Not unlike a lot of off seasons.

Von it is all conjecture at the moment our CEO has said that the club is already into a thorough review of all aspects of the football department so I’m thinking there will be changes in personnel to get the best results for the club.

Demonland have closed threads for less. Please mods treat like a pre gameday thread and shut it down. This story is well and truly over. Correction.  Never a story. Just Tom Morris garbage!

21 minutes ago, Pirlo said:

The club puts out a damage control email, something they never ordinarily do unless there is a big story, and people genuinely take it as the club being in control of the story and putting the journalists to rights.

If this was idle speculation, and Trac was perfectly happy, they wouldn't have bothered to release a statement.

The footy club is a business that these people run. They have at no point denied the story, and simply said they won't be indulging a trade request but will be taking his feedback about the direction of the club in the nature it was intended.

Not necessarily. 

Pert understands that as this 28 page thread shows alleged big stories can build by members and need knocking off quickly. Nothing to do with truth or otherwise.

Good job Gary.

4 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

Demonland have closed threads for less. Please mods treat like a pre gameday thread and shut it down. This story is well and truly over. Correction.  Never a story. Just Tom Morris garbage!

Well put  and take note mods