Richmond have the capital but I can't see why they would want him. He doesn't seem to be the leader they need, more likely a distraction for a club trying to bring a bunch of kids through together 

Why are so many supporters seemingly giving in.

He has 5 years on his contract and is going nowhere.

2 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

If the narrative becomes he's not the player he was previously so we take unders we must not cede. We get what market price or he stays or he can retire. 

He can retire if he likes. 

Question, if both parties agree to rescind the contract does he becomes a free agent? 

probably, but this would be the worst case for us. we get nothing other than the salary offload

could not see it happening

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

trac will never go to a club he doesn't want to go to

he either gets to the club he wants to or he doesn't - a trade has to be mutual or it fails, full stop

If he wants a big Vic club that makes a field of four IMO. Carlton, Collingwood, Geelong or Hawthorn. He won’t want Richmond they have a long stay at the bottom coming up. None of those have the draft picks or the salary space for a salary that he wants without releasing a well paid very good player. Don’t relent MFC a top five draft pick and a good player or he remains at the MFC. 

1 minute ago, Young Blood said:

Yeah this idea people have of us simply trading him anywhere we get the most value is simply unrealistic. Clubs aren't going to give up multiple first round picks and/or players for a Petracca who doesn't want to be there... It doesn't happen, event in American professional sports.

This is either going to be a multiple club-involved trade so he can get to Carlton or Collingwood OR he just stays and works it out. As much as people are turning on the guy here I don't think he'd sit out a season over all of this.

And no club will give him 5 years given his unresolved injury status. 

I know the value of two players would supersede Harley Reid, but would we do it?

Pickett and Carlton's Pick #11 & 30, Future 1st* to the Eagles

Petracca to the Blues

Harley Reid to the Dees

??

Edit: We were going to give a massive trove of picks to the Eagles for Pick 1, All of the picks we'd get for Tracc and Pickett would be about the equivalent of that trove. 

Edit 2: Eagles would probably want a little more. Maybe the Blues have a WA player to send over?

Edit 3: Going out for a bit. I look forward to some Harley Reid trade ideas in response!! Go Dees!

Edited August 31, 2024Aug 31 by John Demonic

3 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Richmond have the capital but I can't see why they would want him. He doesn't seem to be the leader they need, more likely a distraction for a club trying to bring a bunch of kids through together 

He won’t want to go to a club that has a number of years in the bottom half of the ladder coming up. 

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

probably, but this would be the worst case for us. we get nothing other than the salary offload

could not see it happening

If he's a free agent would the free agent compensation regime not apply? 

I thought we have two types of free agent, restricted and unrestricted. 

I'm not clear on the qualifying rules, just my simple understanding...

1 minute ago, old dee said:

He won’t want to go to a club that has a number of years in the bottom half of the ladder coming up. 

Agree but even if he was open to going there.  Why would they want to spend $1m+ on him right now. Injured, petulant, distracting and 29 

3 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

If he's a free agent would the free agent compensation regime not apply? 

I thought we have two types of free agent, restricted and unrestricted. 

I'm not clear on the qualifying rules, just my simple understanding...

that would be one for the afl lawyers i'd imagine

he could be treated like a retired player returning?

7 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

And no club will give him 5 years given his unresolved injury status. 

a big (rich) club in the premiership window certainly would

21 minutes ago, pewpewpew said:

This is exactly what will end up happening. We are spineless at the trade table. 

100% agree

And I will add that we are spineless at the trade table and all the other teams know it. 

16 minutes ago, Gator said:

Why are so many supporters seemingly giving in.

He has 5 years on his contract and is going nowhere.

A lot of them prefer us to be [censored]. 

On Whateley, he is a shill for HQ and the big clubs. HQ would love Trac at Carlton or Collingwood. 

15 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

If he's a free agent would the free agent compensation regime not apply? 

I thought we have two types of free agent, restricted and unrestricted. 

I'm not clear on the qualifying rules, just my simple understanding...

I see where you're going here... quite fascinating. 

The miraculous 'loop-hope' appears and cowabunga  ...  

This is the AFL after all... I put nothing past them ;) 

17 hours ago, monoccular said:

If he had a grade 5 injury the spleen would have been removed. 
It wasn’t, so it could be a 4 or even a 3.   
So, where did you get the idea, or information, that he had a grade 5 injury, as a fact in your words??  Serious question. 

 

Serious answer, in Petracca's own words, as reported by AAP on June 17:

"We got an initial scan around eight or nine o'clock at night, and the first scan showed two cracked ribs and then just a little bit of bleeding around the lung," he said.

"I think 15 minutes later, one of the doctors was just checking my blood levels, and noticed my haemoglobin was dropping severely, and my blood levels were dropping.

"So they go, 'Let's just do another scan'. And that's when they started to notice I had four cracked ribs, the grade-five spleen and a punctured lung too.

"So it went from being a four out of 10 to basically a 10 out of 10, it was the equivalent of a car accident."

There are plenty of other references to the injury as grade 5. Just try Googling it.

If we let Track get to Collingwood or Carlton then equalisation and fairness are dead. It's setting a dangerous precedent where a perfect storm (natural or manufactured) can see a star player move to a powerful club if their management team are shrewd enough to attempt a sudden break of contract such as this. 

 

Edited August 31, 2024Aug 31 by Mouseymoo

24 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

And no club will give him 5 years given his unresolved injury status. 

Dont bet on it!

5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Dont bet on it!

How does a deal get done? 

3 minutes ago, Flowergirl said:

How does a deal get done? 

our choice would probably be

- get done over and accept an unders deal

or

- no deal and keep an unhappy probably disruptive camper and have to go through the same process the next year

1 hour ago, Mouseymoo said:

I just don't understand how trac can claim he wants to leave due to "trauma", but only to a "Big prestige local club". You're either traumatised and seeking greener pastures or you're using trauma as a tool to further greedy ambition.

If Tiges offer us the most we offer him that as an out. If he doesn't want to and Blues offer peanuts, he can sook it up at Casey. There's too much at stake here we can't be treated as doormats. 

Dude user to be my favourite player and I adored him, now I can barely look at him. [censored] tragic tbh. 

 

Exactly. I think if push comes to shove, we will absolutely play these cards.

1. Unhappy with med treatment and post injury Comms and want out? Here’s the list managers number for Norf and Richmond.  Both have satisfied our trade demands. Take a pick - no need to go down grievance route.

2. Unhappy with standards, game plan, direction etc? Sit your [censored] down and help us out. We will see you at day 1 pre season. If still unhappy we can better deal 2025 draft and get you the Pies who’ll have cap space as half their team will have retired. Well also take their first pick and F1 too. 

3. Want to build brand Trac? Good luck with that. If you want a trade to Blues , you must hold a press conference declaring the reasons you want to go otherwise See you day 1 pre season.

This is how I’d play every scenario.

 

 

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

our choice would probably be

- get done over and accept an unders deal

or

- no deal and keep an unhappy probably disruptive camper and have to go through the same process the next year

True and stinks.  If he truly had a giant clash with the MFC, then leaving would be OK.  But to my mind nothing we have heard, even if all piled together, justifies what he seems to be doing.  Now maybe there are things we haven't heard and maybe he isn't doing what he seems to be.  But I very much doubt that.

51 minutes ago, Gator said:

Why are so many supporters seemingly giving in.

He has 5 years on his contract and is going nowhere.

Exactly. Even if he doesn’t play a single game next year, I’d rather him out of the spotlight so he becomes irrelevant in a football sense. The Trac camp would be stupid to let that happen. It’s 1 year lost in the twiglight of his career. We just have to hold firm. 

50 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

And no club will give him 5 years given his unresolved injury status. 

You know it would not surprise me if he did not play in 2025. The injuries he sustained were very bad. It will take some time mentally and physically to get over. 

28 minutes ago, Mouseymoo said:

If we let Track get to Collingwood or Carlton then equalisation and fairness are dead. It's setting a dangerous precedent where a perfect storm (natural or manufactured) can see a star player move to a powerful club if their management team are shrewd enough to attempt a sudden break of contract such as this. 

 

Equalisation never existed..   a facade impersonating it was the ruse ;)

53 minutes ago, old dee said:

He won’t want to go to a club that has a number of years in the bottom half of the ladder coming up. 

Why not the victim card seems useful these days for garnering support and followers on social media