Christian Petracca

[Billy 2,460]

52 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

So who’s fault is that?   Perform and play an attractive brand of footy and the fans turn up.  This is on the club and the players 

Or be a passionate supporter through thick & thin instead of picking & choosing when to go

[pitmaster 3,442]

I don't really want to fuel this thread but if Trac is concerned about the direction of the club - one of the vague accusations that's been levelled - maybe he is dispirited by the lousy crowd attendances since he started paying attention again...

It can't be the contract extensions and new signings of valued and young players.

Edited August 12 by pitmaster

[spirit of norm smith 15,056]

19 pages so far.  Just a blip in time.  
Maynard knockout of Brayshaw.  We got to 112 pages in 2 days. 

 

[Roost it far 7,348]

I must say I don't quite get the attractive brand of footy complaints. We maximised the output from the strengths our playing list had and won a flag and almost another. I'll take winning ugly everyday. This year we're trying to evolve but with mixed results. I was leaning toward pessimism at the beginning of this year no doubt about that but I actually think the next 2 years could prove fruitful. Again it all comes down to this preseason which is what makes it so intriguing for me. I remain a little concerned about the noise and do wonder at times if we have the absolute best people in the right places. That's just my vibe though, based on absolutely no hard facts. One thing I do know is if you're getting your "facts" from the pissants on Footy Classified you may as well burn your membership now.

[Lucifers Hero 38,910]

1 hour ago, 640MD said:

Can anyone enlighten me please.

i do not have access to sports shows or AFL 360 or this type.

this topic is going bananas in this thread, but is it getting any airtime on any other platforms.  Or is it a figment of imagination.

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Garry Lyon was asked on OTC if he was alarmed by the rumour (which is all it is).  He very firmly said he wasn't and won't be until he looks Christian in the eye and hears it directly from him. 

We can all take a leaf out of Garry's book.

 

Morris is just a repugnant, self promoting slime🤮.  

Edited August 12 by Lucifers Hero

[old55 22,753]

Trac unhappy with the "direction of the club" that has gone from top 4 to bottom 6. No 5hit Sherlock! Join the queue.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

11 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I must say I don't quite get the attractive brand of footy complaints. We maximised the output from the strengths our playing list had and won a flag and almost another. I'll take winning ugly everyday. This year we're trying to evolve but with mixed results. I was leaning toward pessimism at the beginning of this year no doubt about that but I actually think the next 2 years could prove fruitful. Again it all comes down to this preseason which is what makes it so intriguing for me. I remain a little concerned about the noise and do wonder at times if we have the absolute best people in the right places. That's just my vibe though, based on absolutely no hard facts. One thing I do know is if you're getting your "facts" from the pissants on Footy Classified you may as well burn your membership now.

I don’t think any Swans fans look back on 2005 and wish they had played a more attacking style. They won the GF 58-54 and it was one of the most enjoyable grand finals to watch.

[Lucifers Hero 38,910]

On OTC last night Lyon said Oliver's hand is a mess.  He is being played because it is good for him or words to that effect.  He has said similar in past episodes.

It might be in Oliver's best interests but is that in the best interests of the team, of a winning culture, of the club?

This isn't directly related to Christian but I can understand if players are frustrated by Oliver's selection.  And I also wonder how good it is for Oliver given the bashing he gets in the media.

Before people jump on Garry, he is close to the club and Oliver and there is no reason to think he would misrepresent something so important.

Edited August 12 by Lucifers Hero

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

7 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Garry Lyon was asked on OTC if he was alarmed by the rumour (which is all it is).  He very firmly said he wasn't and won't be until he looks Christian in the eye and hears it directly from him. 

We can all take a leaf out of Garry's book.

 

Morris is just a repugnant, self promoting slime.  

Funnily enough he has a segment on SEN with Morris regularly

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

Just now, Lucifers Hero said:

On OTC last night Lyon said Oliver's hand is a mess.  He is being played because it is good for him or words to that effect.  He has said similar in past episodes.

It might be in Oliver's best interests but is that in the best interests of the team, of a winning culture, of the club?

This isn't directly related to Christian but I can understand if players are frustrated by Oliver's.  And I also wonder how good it is for Oliver given the bashing he gets in the media.

Before people jump on Garry, he is close to the club and Oliver and there is no reason to think he would misrepresent something so important.

I think in the case of Oliver, he won’t be playing in 2 weeks time anyway, so what’s the difference. He should be sent off to surgery immediately.

[daisycutter 29,288]

9 hours ago, frankie_d said:

Do we know he was in isolation? That would be unusual... (I know a bit about splenectomies)

but he didn't have a splenectomy.  badly lacerated spleen

[joeboy 3,144]

10 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Garry Lyon was asked on OTC if he was alarmed by the rumour (which is all it is).  He very firmly said he wasn't and won't be until he looks Christian in the eye and hears it directly from him. 

We can all take a leaf out of Garry's book.

 

Morris is just a repugnant, self promoting slime.  

Interestingly he said similar things about Jackson… and we know how that ended

[BringBackTheDemon 104]

17 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I must say I don't quite get the attractive brand of footy complaints. We maximised the output from the strengths our playing list had and won a flag and almost another. I'll take winning ugly everyday.

We were 3rd for scoring in 2021, 6th in 2022, 7th in 2023, and 14th in 2024. When we won the flag it definitely wasn't ugly. You need to be able to score/have multiple ways of winning games, which we havent for the past 3 years. 

Edited August 12 by BringBackTheDemon

[Lucifers Hero 38,910]

1 minute ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I think in the case of Oliver, he won’t be playing in 2 weeks time anyway, so what’s the difference. He should be sent off to surgery immediately.

If his selection is gratuitous as Lyon implied maybe he should have been sent in for surgery some time ago. 

It can't be good for Clarrie's mental health with the bashing he gets in the media nor his physical health if is the hand is a mess.

My point  was more related to the impact on players if Oliver's selection isn't the best for the team albeit in Oliver's best interests.

[Ted Lasso 18,739]

Regardless of what happens with Trac i think it's clear the club needs a full cultural re-set and a significant review conducted externally of the FD, if we are chasing Houston and going all in on another flag we need to make sure we're getting it right. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

1 minute ago, Lucifers Hero said:

If his selection is gratuitous as Lyon implied maybe he should have been sent in for surgery some time ago. 

It can't be good for Clarrie's mental health with the bashing he gets in the media nor his physical health if is the hand is a mess.

My point  was more related to the impact on players if Oliver's selection isn't the best for the team albeit in Oliver's best interests.

I agree with this. Just making the point that the season is almost done so no point trying to nurse him through the last 2 weeks. Based on form Laurie or Kynan Brown should be in the side over Clarry and that frustrates me the most as a supporter.

[Lucifers Hero 38,910]

18 minutes ago, joeboy said:

Interestingly he said similar things about Jackson… and we know how that ended

Dear God, I hope it doesn't end the same way.  fwiw, I don't think it will.

My concern is the impact this has on other players and the media feast fest re their self-serving narrative of the club's culture.

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[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

6 minutes ago, joeboy said:

Interestingly he said similar things about Jackson… and we know how that ended

The Jackson one was different though because he was OOC and also from WA.

[Demons11 6,701]

45 minutes ago, Billy said:

Or be a passionate supporter through thick & thin instead of picking & choosing when to go

Not everyone is built that way 

[FreedFromDesire 583]

9 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

it would be classic Tom Morris to suggest that noone visited Trac while he was in medical isolation because we just don't care about him haha.

How this bloke got another gig in the media after his shameful comments and treatment of women is baffling, the guy is a joke. 

I feel a bit grubby 'defending' him, I'm not a fan, but I believe wires might be crossed here.

Morris is reporting Petracca is unhappy with the direction of the club. Sam Landsberger is reporting the supposed issues around isolation. At least from the reporting I've seen.

I believe it's important for us to be careful about being accurate as we attack others for their accuracy.

[Lucifers Hero 38,910]

1 hour ago, Billy said:

Or be a passionate supporter through thick & thin instead of picking & choosing when to go

It is possible to be a passionate supporter of a club or person 'thru thick and thin', and be concerned about their behaviour/decisions.   And it is ok to voice that respectfully and considerately.  Appropriately voicing any concerns is not being disloyal or 'picking and choosing'; it means you care.

 

Edited August 12 by Lucifers Hero

[FreedFromDesire 583]

16 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

On OTC last night Lyon said Oliver's hand is a mess.  He is being played because it is good for him or words to that effect.  He has said similar in past episodes.

It might be in Oliver's best interests but is that in the best interests of the team, of a winning culture, of the club?

This isn't directly related to Christian but I can understand if players are frustrated by Oliver's selection.  And I also wonder how good it is for Oliver given the bashing he gets in the media.

Before people jump on Garry, he is close to the club and Oliver and there is no reason to think he would misrepresent something so important.

I could live with that as a theory if it made sense from a consistency point of view. We seem to have handled injuries poorly the last 3 years, often bringing back 'best 22' types seemingly too early.

Just this year we've seen Spargo rushed back and end up missing the year, Salem have an on and off season as they continually hurry him back, Gawn coming back at least a week early (and let's hope they're not doing more damage by him pounding that ankle more when the season is over), Petty only just starting to find physical form after months of struggling, Oliver who clearly should have gone off for proper hand surgery (and may I suggest a 'mini-preseason'), Lever hasn't been the same since being rushed back, and of course there's the Petracca and May examples from in-game situations.

I have no idea who that rests with though, obviously the selection committee picks the team, Selwyn Griffith manages fitness, and the doctors make the call on injury availability - We've seen in the past though the evidence of Goodwin being a keen driver of pushing players hard as well.

So, while I completely believe Garry, I just struggle to see how it is consistent with good injury management, and that's without even speaking to the culture of performance standards and selection integrity. Those things seem to be an issue for us that I believe has hurt us somewhat since the 2021 flag.

We simply must get Clarry right. One of the greatest I've ever seen, and his value is as low as it could be at the moment. We have to have some kind of trust in the club given none of us know the full ins and outs of it, but given the above, it does worry somewhat that we will get it right. As sad as it is, if worst came to worst and the club had to make a choice between Oliver and Petracca, it's not a difficult decision in my opinion, as heartbreaking as it would be.

[Demonstone 21,723]

Anybody else longing for a return to happier, more innocent times?

 

[Sydee 4,182]

21 minutes ago, BringBackTheDemon said:

We were 3rd for scoring in 2021, 6th in 2022, 7th in 2023, and 14th in 2024. When we won the flag it definitely wasn't ugly. You need to be able to score/have multiple ways of winning games, which we havent for the past 3 years. 

Not sure our attack was the problem in 2022 or 2023 given the players available (with the obvious exception of poor accuracy in the two 2023 finals) 

We have gone backwards this year primarily because we lost Smith , Melk and BB can’t get on the park - add to this a weakened midfield for all the reasons we already know and there is the reason 2024 scoring has dried up 

[Lucifers Hero 38,910]

8 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

As sad as it is, if worst came to worst and the club had to make a choice between Oliver and Petracca, it's not a difficult decision in my opinion, as heartbreaking as it would be.

Which one for you?