On 27/08/2024 at 22:39, RedBlueandTrue said:

Yeah, no I agree with you - my point is that Trac's actual trade value is very small compared to what might be expected for these reasons. Cerra just an example from the post I quoted.

Trac's trade value would be very high for a team on the cusp who needs a star midfielder to get them over the line. The Pies would benefit enormously from Trac given how old and injury prone most of their best midfielders are.

But Trac's biggest issue is his timing. You can't expect someone with his contract and his talent to ask for a trade this late in the season, demand to only go to 1 of 2 clubs, who are both filled to the brim with salary cap guzzlers, and then make it happen. 

If he was open to going to North, Saints or even Richmond (who I don't think would want him anyway as they're rebuilding), it would be a totally different story. But he is not. So bad luck.

  On 27/08/2024 at 21:27, ElDiablo14 said:

So traumatized to fly to Europe for several weeks.

Please. Very serious question 

I am also off to Italy for 3 months.

what is the considered view on what should I say to him, if anything at all. 
I will probably be wearing red n blue and a freeze 10 beanie.

Gday tracca, enjoy your day ?

or come on the pies ?

help

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:21, dice said:

Doesn't Trac's agent/manager (Robbie D'Orazio) work with Connors? Wonder if all of this drama will be in the next installment of Show Me the Money

Isn't there being two sets of management the issue? Robbie D'Orazio said forget when asked if a trade could be possible, but we are. So it has to be the brand management driving this, and they would not be as well versed how the AFL works. Trashing the club might work in other realms, but the AFL is a small (in terms of employees and employers) industry and 'nuclear' options are not encouraged.

 

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:36, Jaded No More said:

Who would the other prima donna be? 

Harley of course 

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:42, adonski said:

As I said they can trade Cerra, Williams and or Martin to free up space

And as I said, trading out those 3 players, who are all contracted btw and may not want to leave or find a suitable home, is still not netting them the draft picks we would demand in return for Trac.

We are not trading him for a bunch of second round picks are we? 

Carlton would need to:

- Be out of finals contention

- Go to those 3 players and convince them to be traded

- Find a suitable trade for those 3 players - how often does a club get 3 trades done for contracted players in the same trade period?

- On trade or bundle up the picks they get from those picks to get 2 or more top 10 picks 

- Do all this in the space of a month

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:05, Jerry Lundergard said:

Feels to me like the Peteacca camp is using his injury as leverage to force his way out to a big club.

If he has a grievance with the club, then he technically can leave to go to any club, not make a demand to go to a select few.

Even the complete silence into the Howie Podcast seems like it's been orchestrated to an extent to now garner more sympathy for his plight to leave. 

 

This is what I was trying to say on the weekend but some were still in Disneyland. 

If the problem is with our club and he wants to leave then problem solved, we'll find some suitors and you can pack your bags. 

 

@dazzledavey36  thanks. Leigh Matthews makes good sense.  But we don’t know all the issues and like ourselves, it’s a view from the outside.

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:19, Ted Lasso said:

Even with his injury, even the hospital missed the spleen issue for hours, it's a horrible thing that's happened to him and i am glad he's getting help to deal with the associated Trauma, but using that as an excuse to try and seek a trade, but only to these couple of clubs is not going to make you very many friends. 

If you're wanting to go to Carlton for professionalism and culture and winning flags, you might find very quickly the grass isn't always greener, the Blues haven't won a premiership, or even gotten close in nearly 30 years. 

Nailed it Teddy!!!! Wants to go to the bottle throwers or play alongside Maynard and Moore FFS. Side by side hey. 

 

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:09, RedBlueandTrue said:

He broke a toe doing that, not his knee. Also he was a child when that happened lol, not sure on the relevance

Still acting like a child if you ask me. A petulant one at that. Wish him well in his health and mental health but he’s not endearing himself to many. Buyer beware!!!

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:43, 640MD said:

Please. Very serious question 

I am also off to Italy for 3 months.

what is the considered view on what should I say to him, if anything at all. 
I will probably be wearing red n blue and a freeze 10 beanie.

Gday tracca, enjoy your day ?

or come on the pies ?

help

Please ex-spleen?

I will see myself out

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:41, deelusions from afar said:

I don't think that's right.  Surely there's no way we pay any of his salary.  We can just say no.

If he found a suitor that can satisfy us with picks and trades, he can renegotiate the contract with the new club (I'm sure they'll be happy to pay less).  If the new club want to pay less (probably because that's all they could afford) and he wants to get the same amount, we just say no.  

It's the opposite situation of Grundy because the pies wanted Grundy out so had to pay a significant portion of his contract.

Imagine if his management suggested to him that we might pay some of his contract to leave.

Rising player agent switches to rival management group

There's been some movement among two of the the game's biggest player management stables

By Callum Twomey

Apr 30, 2024

 

RISING player agent Julian Petracca has jumped management stables, quitting Hemisphere Management Group to join Connors Sports Management.

Petracca is understood to have this week resigned from Hemisphere Management, where he worked alongside Alex McDonald, Dave Trotter, Tom Seccull and Annabel Burge, to join Connors Sports with Paul Connors, Robbie D'Orazio and Nick Gieschen.

 

The competitors are two of the biggest player management companies in the game, with the likes of Patrick Dangerfield, Nick Daicos, Bailey Smith, Charlie Curnow and Harley Reid with Connors Sports, and Jeremy Cameron, Scott Pendlebury, Harry McKay, Caleb Serong and Hugh McCluggage in Hemisphere's stable.

The older brother of Melbourne superstar Christian, who is managed by Connors Sports, Petracca is considered one of the emerging managers in the game and has built a strong group of young talents. 

Greater Western Sydney's No.1 pick Aaron Cadman and defender Connor Idun, Gold Coast's Mac Andrew and Melbourne's Blake Howes are among the players that he has managed in recent seasons. 

 

AFL sucks 

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:29, binman said:

Are you serious?

In what world would the MFC be paying a single cent of tracc's contract if he leaves?

In fact, if anything the dees might even be prepared to take unders in terms of what another club offers us to get his exorbitant salary of the books.

The reality is that even if tracc changes his tune and wants to stay:

- he turns 29 in January

- won't be able to put a full preseason together (he hasn't been able to do any running yet, or presumably strength work, so his fitness base must be completey eroded), which will impact his 2025 season 

- has said himself he is struggling with the trauma relating to the injury

- if I was a betting man, I would offer no better than even money (ie 50 50) that tracc will ever get back to his best

- seemingly has burned bridges with his teammates (and possibly coach, and almost certainly the footy dept and board).

In short, even leaving aside the impact of him staying when he wants out, there is a very good chance we would not get value from our investment

In that context, it might be prudent  for the dees to take unders. 

We will then have plenty of cash, particularly with gus' salary iff rhe books, to invest in our young guns and money to attract stars from other clubs.

However the media spin this, the MFC has the whip hand here. 

Personally I’d be ok with the club paying part of his contract if it  allowed us to secure at least 2 top 10 picks and a late first rounder or 23-25 year best 22 player. I don’t think we’re going to get that and his salary paid. 

I'm not entirely sure the point of this thread?

Brother of AFL star changes management way back in April? 

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:02, djr said:

Please tell me how the club has mishandled the Smith and Clarrie issues? 

By ceating the environment where that sort of behaviour was tolerated in the first place.

  On 27/08/2024 at 22:59, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm not entirely sure the point of this thread?

Brother of AFL star changes management way back in April? 

I guess the relevance is that his brother is working for his management team, which is a total conflict of interest?

  On 27/08/2024 at 23:00, Dr. Gonzo said:

By ceating the environment where that sort of behaviour was tolerated in the first place.

Lol

Because we are the only club where players have mental health issues and substance issues? 😂

  On 27/08/2024 at 23:01, Jaded No More said:

I guess the relevance is that his brother is working for his management team, which is a total conflict of interest?

My thoughts exactly. Any serious corporation requires people joining to disclose any conflict of interest, and potentially that could hamper the recruitment of said person.

  On 27/08/2024 at 23:03, Jaded No More said:

Lol

Because we are the only club where players have mental health issues and substance issues? 😂

Of course not, but if you think the way we've managed this has been acceptable then you've got rocks in your head.

Also mental health issues wasn't what I was referring to.

Edited August 27, 2024Aug 27 by Dr. Gonzo

  On 27/08/2024 at 23:05, Dr. Gonzo said:

Of course not, but if you think the way we've managed this has been acceptable then you've got rocks in your head.

Also mental health issues wasn't what I was referring to.

Is the club supposed to babysit grown up adults?

Are you suggesting both Smith and Clayton should've been delisted?

No contending club will be able to take on an average 1.5M/year contract or even 75% of it.

So this completely rules out the likes of Carlton/Pies etc. Unless they unload a Cripps type contract. Zero chance.

The only chance of him moving is to a WC or North. Surely Trac knows this?!

So what is he thinking?!

  On 27/08/2024 at 23:05, Dr. Gonzo said:

Of course not, but if you think the way we've managed this has been acceptable then you've got rocks in your head.

Also mental health issues wasn't what I was referring to.

I’m not saying it was and I’m not saying it wasn’t handled well, but do you have concrete evidence of how it was handled and who the key people spoke with to help with the Oliver situation for example? 

  On 27/08/2024 at 23:05, Dr. Gonzo said:

Of course not, but if you think our management if this has been acceptable then you've got rocks in your head.

Also mental health issues wasn't what I was referring to.

Our management may not have been completely acceptable, but if you’re talking about the substance issue, it was taken completely out of our hands. We can’t do anything about it beyond delisting said player. 
How else did you want us to manage that scenario? 

As for Clarry, did the club go too easy on him? Maybe they did. But the bottom line is that their care and support of him has seen him make a lot of progress in his recovery. It is a very complex issue, and you can argue that we shouldn’t have rushed him back into the side after his off season behavior. You can equally argue that playing AFL was the best thing for his mental health. It’s a fine line isn’t it?

I said it before, but I’ll never begrudge our club for doing what they needed to go to bring Clarry back from a dark place. If that points to bad culture or bad management, I don’t want us to be right. 

Well I guess he's not directly working for Trac. Interesting though

  On 27/08/2024 at 23:01, Jaded No More said:

I guess the relevance is that his brother is working for his management team, which is a total conflict of interest?

Yeah, but why does it need a new thread when it is basically just a snippet of 6 month old information for the Christian Petracca thread?