Studying some of the Pies game tonite.

1.System

Coach wouldn’t get a gig

2.Personnel

Kozi, Bowery, Gawn and Disco would get a game, that’s about it.

3.Ball Movement.

Petracca, Oliver and Viney wouldn't be on the list.

Edited July 4Jul 4 by bluey

Just now, Nietaphart said:

Either way, it’s time for some change.

It certainly is time for change

But I'm concerned that the club doesn't know where it is at (in the whole scheme of things)

If this was Goodwin's last season then that could be one major change

As for the players, move any player on who can't adhere to the modern style of playing

Remember when Adelaide moved on McGuiness, McDermott and a couple of other former good players before Blight walked in the door?

That's the sort of thing we need to do

Clear the decks and bring in the new coach in a succession plan (2026) Pay him a nominal amount and make him in charge of the offense (get rid of Chaplin)

Jones can go as well as he overseas our mids butchering the ball

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

It certainly is time for change

But I'm concerned that the club doesn't know where it is at (in the whole scheme of things)

If this was Goodwin's last season then that could be one major change

As for the players, move any player on who can't adhere to the modern style of playing

Remember when Adelaide moved on McGuiness, McDermott and a couple of other former good players before Blight walked in the door?

That's the sort of thing we need to do

Clear the decks and bring in the new coach in a succession plan (2026) Pay him a nominal amount and make him in charge of the offense (get rid of Chaplin)

Jones can go as well as he overseas our mids butchering the ball

We butchered the ball under Mini and Ooze too.

1 minute ago, Nietaphart said:

We butchered the ball under Mini and Ooze too.

That's true!

We've got a mountain to climb, Nieta

Edited July 4Jul 4 by Macca

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Well these issues may foster resentment, may create rise to counter-productive tendencies. Where as teams thrive on sycronicity having some splinter off with festering dissatisfactions doesn't promote across the board comradeship. It creates factions.

If I recall correctly this very idea broached surface some whiles back.

The culture of a club is everything, the philosophy through to how standards are followed as well as edicts.

Unhappy campers are not good for team spirit.

Footy is more often than not a game of very small percentages ( we got that bit nailed eh... ) but by that I mean the difference between 97% effort and 100% is where the mind is at and if there's the slightest of niggle because someone feels ever so slightly peeved then your making it easier for your opponents.

Culture isn't the pretty words spoken at dinners... culture is your mates having your back. All marching to a single beat.

With respect, you only addressed “culture” in your last paragraph, and even then you defined it as “mates having your back. All marching to the same beat” which imo isn’t an accurate definition.

Perhaps it’s open to interpretation, in which case I’d take into account (among other things) the fact that Kozzie and Judd have re-signed, the young brigade (Kolt, X, Harvey, Leb and Luker) don’t regret being drafted by us, nor do their parents. Our Cat. B rookie Oscar Berry chose us from six interested clubs and Kalani is looking extremely likely to choose us over the GCS. Even Toby Sinnema wants to be with us. For mine, that’s proof of a good culture.

15 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

With respect, you only addressed “culture” in your last paragraph, and even then you defined it as “mates having your back. All marching to the same beat” which imo isn’t an accurate definition.

Perhaps it’s open to interpretation, in which case I’d take into account (among other things) the fact that Kozzie and Judd have re-signed, the young brigade (Kolt, X, Harvey, Leb and Luker) don’t regret being drafted by us, nor do their parents. Our Cat. B rookie Oscar Berry chose us from six interested clubs and Kalani is looking extremely likely to choose us over the GCS. Even Toby Sinnema wants to be with us. For mine, that’s proof of a good culture.

Have I had my head in the sand and McVee has resigned or are you letting a cat out of the bag GW?

I hope you are correct either way

2 minutes ago, Nietaphart said:

Have I had my head in the sand and McVee has resigned or are you letting a cat out of the bag GW?

I hope you are correct either way

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I'll have a go at this.

There's a possibility that players can become disenfranchised if they are not rewarded for effort. If players see others favoured. If some feel the fix is in. If some are not afforded the development they were assured they'd get.

There may well be more than the above but I could imagine these at least would grind away.

Correct, well known, too many favoured! result?? alienation, selfishness and get stuffed, mentality!

Edited July 4Jul 4 by picket fence

14 hours ago, Macca said:

Again, players are responsible for their own form, kicking for goal, going hard at the contest etc etc

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that we need to overhaul the list and reboot

And don't forget that Goodwin stays because of his contract, so you and others are stuck with him no matter how much he might annoy you

I’m convinced as well. You need skillful, athletic and smart players more than just contested beasts

6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We are 5-17 from our last 22 games (9-22 from our last 31).

This isn't reactionary, this is a clear trend.

The win-loss record is undeniable, but if you're telling me this place is not hyper-reactive, particularly when things aren't going our way, then nah, don't agree at all.

Do you think this thread even exists if we'd won the two finals in 2023, games which we lost by a combined total of a kick and a half?

What about the recent 1 point loss to the Filth or any other close loss and how all those post game and subsequent spin off threads read?

The entire mood towards the club, coaches and players would be completely different.

If the narrative and general sentiment around here can swing so drastically based on what is sometimes a single moment in a game—which is what a loss by under a kick is—then yeah, that's reactionary.

6 hours ago, Macca said:

It certainly is time for change

But I'm concerned that the club doesn't know where it is at (in the whole scheme of things)

If this was Goodwin's last season then that could be one major change

As for the players, move any player on who can't adhere to the modern style of playing

Remember when Adelaide moved on McGuiness, McDermott and a couple of other former good players before Blight walked in the door?

That's the sort of thing we need to do

Clear the decks and bring in the new coach in a succession plan (2026) Pay him a nominal amount and make him in charge of the offense (get rid of Chaplin)

Jones can go as well as he overseas our mids butchering the ball

Jones used to butcher the ball as a player

5 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

With respect, you only addressed “culture” in your last paragraph, and even then you defined it as “mates having your back. All marching to the same beat” which imo isn’t an accurate definition.

Perhaps it’s open to interpretation, in which case I’d take into account (among other things) the fact that Kozzie and Judd have re-signed, the young brigade (Kolt, X, Harvey, Leb and Luker) don’t regret being drafted by us, nor do their parents. Our Cat. B rookie Oscar Berry chose us from six interested clubs and Kalani is looking extremely likely to choose us over the GCS. Even Toby Sinnema wants to be with us. For mine, that’s proof of a good culture.

Unless you are on the inside, it is hard to be sure of the culture. GWR your closer than most, so I’m more inclined to listen to your view.

A father son win in Kalani would be great. The draft is compromised, luck through father son really does make a huge difference.

Pies 1st Daicos x 2 & Moore

Lions Ashcroft x 2 & Fletcher

Dogs Darcy, Liberatore, West

Demons Viney & Brown - VFL

& go home factor

Crows, Cats, Freo

Victorian teams were one of many

& academies

GC, GWS

AFL have changed rules and we missed out

9 hours ago, Macca said:

The comment was not directed at you in particular... it's nothing personal but if people have bothered to read the thread they'd know that it would be a costly exercise to sack Goodwin

Back through the thread there's been numerous posts with links to how much it would cost the club to pay Goodwin out

Through the media etc as well. The notion of us sacking Goodwin has in large part been put to bed as it's going to cost the club too much money to do so

Go back a couple of months on this thread and all the info is there to see. In fact, what myself and others have been saying about the payout has already been said numerous times previously

Fact is I'm just here repeating myself

It's been reported that Goodwin is on a water-tight contract and that he is on at least $1Million per season ... and the FD tax is a very real thing

It's simple mathematics, not at all complicated

Much like the player salary cap, clubs can't exceed the FD spend (mainly the coaching) ... if they do they incur a 75% tax for every dollar up to $1Million (in any given season)

I didn’t take it as a shot

Mine is a genuine question on commercial /contract law lines

Everyone is guessing on the actual number unless they see the contract

My point is if he is on 1M, depending how the contract is structured it could be anything : it could be half this years and all next plus whatever AFL penalty (what’s that about, the FD tax of 75% - it’s a penalty for exceeding the soft cap?)

Leaving that aside, one needs to consider what another year does to memberships. Is the payout going to be lower than the membership loss? What about gate takings?

I’m not being snarky, these are real considerations I think.

PS these threads can run long and not everyone reads every single post so could easily miss a few with numbers in them

Edited July 4Jul 4 by Superunknown

3 hours ago, JTR said:

The win-loss record is undeniable, but if you're telling me this place is not hyper-reactive, particularly when things aren't going our way, then nah, don't agree at all.

Do you think this thread even exists if we'd won the two finals in 2023, games which we lost by a combined total of a kick and a half?

What about the recent 1 point loss to the Filth or any other close loss and how all those post game and subsequent spin off threads read?

The entire mood towards the club, coaches and players would be completely different.

If the narrative and general sentiment around here can swing so drastically based on what is sometimes a single moment in a game—which is what a loss by under a kick is—then yeah, that's reactionary.

Only because facts ARE reality, and the reality is we werent and arent good enough for long enough, and if the case you get personel that CAN get the job done! The filth do it consistently!

20 hours ago, JTR said:

The fickle nature of opinions after a loss (or a win, to be fair) is why I don't buy into these "sack everyone" hang wringing sessions.

We lost our best shot at a flag since 2021 in 2023 after being cruelled by terribly timed injuries on the eve of finals, and Maynard.
It was ours for the taking.

Win that and this thread probably doesn't even exist and opinions/views on various players, tactics and so forth would be completely different, even though the various players, tactics and so forth are exactly the same.

And if my grandma had wheels, she would be a bicycle. The reality is we have been going down for the last 2 seasons.

7 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

With respect, you only addressed “culture” in your last paragraph, and even then you defined it as “mates having your back. All marching to the same beat” which imo isn’t an accurate definition.

Perhaps it’s open to interpretation, in which case I’d take into account (among other things) the fact that Kozzie and Judd have re-signed, the young brigade (Kolt, X, Harvey, Leb and Luker) don’t regret being drafted by us, nor do their parents. Our Cat. B rookie Oscar Berry chose us from six interested clubs and Kalani is looking extremely likely to choose us over the GCS. Even Toby Sinnema wants to be with us. For mine, that’s proof of a good culture.

Maybe the youngsters know something we don't and have hope for the future.

🙏🏻🙏🏻

4 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Lots of prognosticators and finger pointing on this thread. I think we’re 2 years into a 3-year transformation to address the issues that plagued us in 22-23. In that time we’ve recruited Windsor, Kolt, Langford and Lindsay all quick skilled ball users, that indicates the FD is rectifying our poor ball use. Parallel to this we are developing 2 high draft tall forwards in JVR and Jeffo, both whom had great promise but have been slow to bloom at AFL level.

Both of these two strategies will take time to bear fruit.

In the meanwhile we’re evolving the rest of the team to leverage our new kids, meet the evolving AFL game and milk the remaining years from our genuine (but aging) stars.

Year 3, next year is when it will click, and unfortunately we just need to hold our nerve till then.

Only the absence of a plan to improve us would warrant Goody’s removal.

in one sentence pl outline our plan in action to achieve our outcome

new management may not accept the plan

9 hours ago, Macca said:

The comment was not directed at you in particular... it's nothing personal but if people have bothered to read the thread they'd know that it would be a costly exercise to sack Goodwin

Back through the thread there's been numerous posts with links to how much it would cost the club to pay Goodwin out

Through the media etc as well. The notion of us sacking Goodwin has in large part been put to bed as it's going to cost the club too much money to do so

Go back a couple of months on this thread and all the info is there to see. In fact, what myself and others have been saying about the payout has already been said numerous times previously

Fact is I'm just here repeating myself

It's been reported that Goodwin is on a water-tight contract and that he is on at least $1Million per season ... and the FD tax is a very real thing

It's simple mathematics, not at all complicated

Much like the player salary cap, clubs can't exceed the FD spend (mainly the coaching) ... if they do they incur a 75% tax for every dollar up to $1Million (in any given season)

and the cost in memberships and lost sponsors is how much? The cost of devaluation of the playing group is how much?

Cost of coach while significant, the total cots is what will affect the club for years ton come

8 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

With respect, you only addressed “culture” in your last paragraph, and even then you defined it as “mates having your back. All marching to the same beat” which imo isn’t an accurate definition.

Perhaps it’s open to interpretation, in which case I’d take into account (among other things) the fact that Kozzie and Judd have re-signed, the young brigade (Kolt, X, Harvey, Leb and Luker) don’t regret being drafted by us, nor do their parents. Our Cat. B rookie Oscar Berry chose us from six interested clubs and Kalani is looking extremely likely to choose us over the GCS. Even Toby Sinnema wants to be with us. For mine, that’s proof of a good culture.

With respect , you speak of causality.

Asking my mate AI..

Came up with. Strangely refers to many aspects i mentioned.

I think we can just agree we see things very differently. A football club , especially at the top level is a dance of egos. It's a world of Jocks.

Football clubs therefore are unlike your general business world as in the normal world most will get on with things but an AFL club ...well... lot of "precious" .. lots of figjam.

Some see them as lovely families. .. all kum ba yah stuff. I should say though that imho there is also a distinction between A club and a team ; subtle but specific.

Anyhow:

With Respect our DNA is SHOT!

4 minutes ago, picket fence said:

With Respect our DNA is SHOT!

It's very hard to argue otherwise.

Not dead, but in need of help ;)

I actually think its very unlikely an incoming CEO and President will sack a coach with 1 year to run on a contract. I couldn't imagine thats the kind of publicity they would want to start the Tenure with - would be a PR disaster.

Edited July 4Jul 4 by Pottsydee

8 minutes ago, Pottsydee said:

I actually think its very unlikely an incoming CEO and President will sack a coach with 1 year to run on a contract. I couldn't imagine thats the kind of publicity they would want to start the Tenure with - would be a PR disaster.

You may well be right.

Going to be a busy year.... with non footy interests 😉 😀

5 hours ago, JTR said:

The win-loss record is undeniable, but if you're telling me this place is not hyper-reactive, particularly when things aren't going our way, then nah, don't agree at all.

Do you think this thread even exists if we'd won the two finals in 2023, games which we lost by a combined total of a kick and a half?

What about the recent 1 point loss to the Filth or any other close loss and how all those post game and subsequent spin off threads read?

The entire mood towards the club, coaches and players would be completely different.

If the narrative and general sentiment around here can swing so drastically based on what is sometimes a single moment in a game—which is what a loss by under a kick is—then yeah, that's reactionary.

It's not one game though, it's consistently poor performances and a downward trend. 5 losses to start the season isn't one game, the way we finished the 2nd half of last year isn't one game. Losing to Saints, Port and Suns in the fashion we did in the last month isn't one game.

9 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

With respect, you only addressed “culture” in your last paragraph, and even then you defined it as “mates having your back. All marching to the same beat” which imo isn’t an accurate definition.

Perhaps it’s open to interpretation, in which case I’d take into account (among other things) the fact that Kozzie and Judd have re-signed, the young brigade (Kolt, X, Harvey, Leb and Luker) don’t regret being drafted by us, nor do their parents. Our Cat. B rookie Oscar Berry chose us from six interested clubs and Kalani is looking extremely likely to choose us over the GCS. Even Toby Sinnema wants to be with us. For mine, that’s proof of a good culture.

Culture is not just about player retention it's also about performance, success and player morale. Player morale may lead to player retention but when you have a lack of selection integrity it creates rifts between the playing group. A guy like TMac getting dropped while in good form can impact the overall culture of the group while having nothing to do with individual decisions of players to sign with the club (which often comes down to finances, relationships, personal circumstances etc before culture).

24 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Culture is not just about player retention it's also about performance, success and player morale. Player morale may lead to player retention but when you have a lack of selection integrity it creates rifts between the playing group. A guy like TMac getting dropped while in good form can impact the overall culture of the group while having nothing to do with individual decisions of players to sign with the club (which often comes down to finances, relationships, personal circumstances etc before culture).

Exactly good Doctor .

Have a lot of respect and empathy for Tom.

Stoic, professional,driven and very under appreciated imo.