Changing coaches is not going to change the negligence of the club's poor drafting in regards to a decent hand for Max who could also help our fwd line. The club wasn't off course with the Grundy experience except for two small details...

Grundy doesn't mark and he's no fwd. I mean other than that it was a brilliant move.

Also it's not going to reverse the bad form of our only TWO tall/ fwds in Fritta and Jvr.

( Disco and Jeffo don't count as yet).

Or produce another key fwd somehow.

I mean it's not like Goody can put a rocket up these two by dropping them. We don't have anyone to fill their place. So there's that.

However, I'll go to my grave yelling Goody cost us a flag with the five game part timer in Laurie as the sub when Gus was almost decapitated. Sure just one player but we were effectively one man down because of it in a game that went down to the wire. And while Goody couldn't predict the sub would be needed for the whole game, that's kinda of the point. Laurie was so far out of his depth in a normal game not to mention a final in front of 80 odd thousand. My goodness Simon, what were you thinking? I know, I know, it's history. But how often do you get a double chance in this game?

And this is why he gets the benefit of any doubt. Flags are just so rare, you have to hang on with both arms to any coach that delivers one.

But one thing for sure, complacency is a success killer in this game, so it's a fine line.

In any event, these things have a momentum all of their own. A couple more performances like Sundays and the noise around Goody will get very loud. 

And while I'm sure the club will keep him all year, failure to make finals again will produce a cacophony of coach killing calls, that the decision will be made for it.

Just saying.

 

Edited March 24Mar 24 by leave it to deever

2 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Very good post, not compiled out of emotion.

Heat will increase if things don’t improve but the biggest lesson I hope that is taken on, is to have faith in the change in style they are trying to implement 

Yes, if anything I want to see them go even harder at the game plan, not retreat into old habits.

id rather us lose risking it, than lose because we are too afraid of risking it.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

1 minute ago, Demon Disciple said:

Yes, if anything I want to see them go even harder at the game plan, not retreat into old habits.

id rather us lose risking it, than lose because we are too afraid of risking it.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Kinda of like not doing anything to fix a dodgy forward line for three years. Yep the cubs shown some significant signs of craziness.

53 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’m a Goodwin defender, we came out playing the right style of footy that will leak goals as you learn to master it. Made the right changes to take away North’s run. But didn’t have enough the quality to create good scoring chances especially as the legs got heavy in the 3rd.

For 3/4s we stayed in the fight but lacked class and forward punch. 

Last quarter was diabolical but that happens when the damn wall breaks at times.

Everyone’s thrown the toys out of the cot because North arent meant to be good (news flash 800 first round picks and some senior players will work it out eventually).

The press conference comment was a mistake but a well intentioned one. Highlights that we still haven’t got good people around the coach. No CEO, a dud of a head of footy who fell in to the job and a poor media team. But Goody has to own it and try to take the heat off Max now. Hopefully Max is supportive, he should be, there was no ill will.

Back to on field tho - it’s a work in progress trying to mold square pegs (Oliver, Tracc, Viney, Sparrow) in to round holes. Unfortunately we’ve been unwilling or unable to trade any of those out for value and are trying to win and stay up whilst we move to a new generation of midfielders. 

Madness to blame the coach when it’s a tricky situation that no coach would be able to get perfect.

Measured as always DS. Good post.

18 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Kinda of like not doing anything to fix a dodgy forward line for three years. Yep the cubs shown some significant signs of craziness.

Or the delivery into it.  Hasn't changed one iota and, bar a few kicks from Spargo, was on show again for all to see yesterday against 'ok' opposition.

Probably the biggest fail (forward line up / method of it and method coming into it) in our game style that Simon has not been able to fix across three seasons now and counting.

Most professional coaches in other sports would not survive dishing that up for one season, let alone three plus!

Edited March 24Mar 24 by Demon Dynasty

34 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Changing coaches is not going to change the negligence of the club's poor drafting in regards to a decent hand for Max who could also help our fwd line. The club wasn't off course with the Grundy experience except for two small details...

Drafting talls is a coin flip at best, and it takes years for them to have an impact.

• Jefferson and JVR were both drafted in the first round since we won the flag. Unfortunately neither have worked in that time.
• Maybe we could've drafted Armstrong last year, but it wouldn't make any difference to us this year. We'd have given up Landford or Lindsay to do so.
• The only decent talls from 2022 are Mac Andrew, Jye Amiss and Sam Darcy. We didn't have the rights or draft picks to get them. The next best is JVR.
• There's only one 193cm+ player in the 2022 draft who has played more than 10 games (Cadman).

If you look at trading instead, it's impossible. Jackson left us with one destination in mind and there was nothing we could do. This is the story with trading for talls. Clubs don't let them go easily. When they go, usually they have only one team in mind. We tried hard to get Max Gruzewski from GWS last year and they refused to budge. 

Don't rush THEM back.

We need the pain.

3 hours ago, biggestred said:

we are 2 wins from our last 11 games. if you go back to when we beat geelong and then got pumped by freo its 5 wins from 17 games... thats bottom 4 territory and we very clearly should be better than that. 

however

coaches dont make players miss targets from 20m, or throw an arm out instead of actually tackling. 

Same as Carlton

This club has been average for too long if you are to believe we have a good list.  I am in the camp that thinks we have A graders but there is a mindset problem in the guts and forward of centre.  Mcvee Kossie and Windsor strengthen the group.  We get shown up by effort when the opposition puts the foot down. As for JVR, he must be pulling his hair out with useless delivery.

Only 2 games in and many on this list need to focus on effort and composure.  I hate rebuilds...current list put away the nice stuff and get angry and play to your strengths.  

As for Goody..he has new ACs...no excuses, either he can get this list back into the 8 or he can't. We will know the answer to that in 6 weeks.

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Very good post, not compiled out of emotion.

Heat will increase if things don’t improve but the biggest lesson I hope that is taken on, is to have faith in the change in style they are trying to implement 

I have to disagree on a few points. Might have been 3 goals at 3/4 time but we were not in it as I saw it. He was coaching against a master coach and a hungry team. 

for mine Goody is done, not just on what he brings after so many seasons but what a hungry young coach might bring, to the game plan and the players. 
So thanks Goody, broke the drought, Club legend, but time to go.

 

This club has been average for too long if you are to believe we have a good list.  I am in the camp that thinks we have A graders but there is a mindset problem in the guts and forward of centre.  Mcvee Kossie and Windsor strengthen the group.  We get shown up by effort when the opposition puts the foot down. As for JVR, he must be pulling his hair out with useless delivery.

Only 2 games in and many on this list need to focus on effort and composure.  I hate rebuilds...current list put away the nice stuff and get angry and play to your strengths.  

As for Goody..he has new ACs...no excuses, either he can get this list back into the 8 or he can't. We will know the answer to that in 6 weeks.

Final word from me, Alan Richardson, I'm not a fan.  He is Goodys boss and he needs to take some of the heat.

It's insane to me that we are supposed to be contending for finals and premierships yet we have won 5 games of our last 17 and have suffered 3 of our worse losses since he took over in that time. Are some people really genuinely happy with what they're seeing from this group?

The excuse of the way the game is played catching us out is laughable. Why are we so slow to adapt? why aren't we the ones innovating? 

I said at the end of the last season, someone at the club needs to pull Goodwin in and say if you don't get us in finals you're gone. No hard luck stories, get results. 0-2 to start the year, 5-12 since beating Geelong. It's done in my eyes.

5 hours ago, Trident22 said:

At what point will you go in on him? What if we are 0-4 and cop a belting down at Geelong. That's a coach killer isnt it?

Wouldn't help. 

9 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

It's insane to me that we are supposed to be contending for finals and premierships yet we have won 5 games of our last 17 and have suffered 3 of our worse losses since he took over in that time. Are some people really genuinely happy with what they're seeing from this group?

The excuse of the way the game is played catching us out is laughable. Why are we so slow to adapt? why aren't we the ones innovating? 

I said at the end of the last season, someone at the club needs to pull Goodwin in and say if you don't get us in finals you're gone. No hard luck stories, get results. 0-2 to start the year, 5-12 since beating Geelong. It's done in my eyes.

You’re not accounting for injuries as a reason. We can sit back and pick apart Goodwin but in 23 we lost Petty, a seriously in form Melksham and Gus in the last weeks and still only just lost.  Add those 3 and I reckon we’re Premiers. You take DeGoey, Mihochek and Sidebottom out of Collingwood and they don’t win the flag. Last year we had 50% Oliver, Petracca gone in July, May hobbling and several others injured, including Max. We missed finals by a couple of close losses to PA, GWS and one other I can’t recall. Yesterday was horrible but our formline isn’t the train wreck many here believe it to be. We’ve so far lost 2 matches and were without May, Pickett, McVee, Melksham and Tholstrup. We lost both Jefferson and Lever in game and Max was given a complete dusting. Add all those players back in the side and I’ll bet my last dollar were a much improved side. 

7 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

You’re not accounting for injuries as a reason. We can sit back and pick apart Goodwin but in 23 we lost Petty, a seriously in form Melksham and Gus in the last weeks and still only just lost.  Add those 3 and I reckon we’re Premiers. You take DeGoey, Mihochek and Sidebottom out of Collingwood and they don’t win the flag. Last year we had 50% Oliver, Petracca gone in July, May hobbling and several others injured, including Max. We missed finals by a couple of close losses to PA, GWS and one other I can’t recall. Yesterday was horrible but our formline isn’t the train wreck many here believe it to be. We’ve so far lost 2 matches and were without May, Pickett, McVee, Melksham and Tholstrup. We lost both Jefferson and Lever in game and Max was given a complete dusting. Add all those players back in the side and I’ll bet my last dollar were a much improved side. 

Respectfully, I'm tired of injuries being an excuse for two simple reasons:

1. Every team gets injuries.

2. We've been beaten badly and trending downwards even with a full strength team on the park.

Our form line is our form line. If it never turns around, we will finish bottom 4 (After trading our first round selection out).  

6 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

Respectfully, I'm tired of injuries being an excuse for two simple reasons:

1. Every team gets injuries.

2. We've been beaten badly and trending downwards even with a full strength team on the park.

Our form line is our form line. If it never turns around, we will finish bottom 4 (After trading our first round selection out).  

Injuries are the number 1 reason clubs don’t reach or play at their potential. Nothing in the current landscape affects performance like injuries. They aren’t an excuse they are the reason and I don’t require your respect.

Edited March 24Mar 24 by Roost it far

4 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Injuries are the number 1 reason clubs don’t reach or play at their potential. Nothing in the current landscape affects performance like injuries. They aren’t an excuse they are the reason and I don’t require your respect.

Ok, so no coach should ever be binned off if any of their players get injured during the season.

You would rather talk in hypotheticals rather than face the facts we have been performing like a bottom 4 side over the last 17 games.

1 hour ago, MurDoc516 said:

Ok, so no coach should ever be binned off if any of their players get injured during the season.

You would rather talk in hypotheticals rather than face the facts we have been performing like a bottom 4 side over the last 17 games.

No I’m supplying reasons why we’re not contending in finals whilst you’re supplying the kind of hyperbole that is easy to fall into when you watch us put on a shocker like yesterday. I’d agree that Goodwin had a bad game but so did the players. It’s not all on Goodwin. My point is without our best 26 fit and playing we’re susceptible. One of the difficulties with our team is we have serious top end talent in Gawn, Petracca, Oliver, May who are getting paid a lot of money. That means there’s less for the rest. We’ve got a good list but it’s not super deep. We have carried too many injuries, that’s a fact. 

4 hours ago, seventyfour said:

Drafting talls is a coin flip at best, and it takes years for them to have an impact.

• Jefferson and JVR were both drafted in the first round since we won the flag. Unfortunately neither have worked in that time.
• Maybe we could've drafted Armstrong last year, but it wouldn't make any difference to us this year. We'd have given up Landford or Lindsay to do so.
• The only decent talls from 2022 are Mac Andrew, Jye Amiss and Sam Darcy. We didn't have the rights or draft picks to get them. The next best is JVR.
• There's only one 193cm+ player in the 2022 draft who has played more than 10 games (Cadman).

If you look at trading instead, it's impossible. Jackson left us with one destination in mind and there was nothing we could do. This is the story with trading for talls. Clubs don't let them go easily. When they go, usually they have only one team in mind. We tried hard to get Max Gruzewski from GWS last year and they refused to budge. 

After Sunday's tripe, please let me vent 74.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Roost it far said:

No I’m supplying reasons why we’re not contending in finals whilst you’re supplying the kind of hyperbole that is easy to fall into when you watch us put on a shocker like yesterday. I’d agree that Goodwin had a bad game but so did the players. It’s not all on Goodwin. My point is without our best 26 fit and playing we’re susceptible. One of the difficulties with our team is we have serious top end talent in Gawn, Petracca, Oliver, May who are getting paid a lot of money. That means there’s less for the rest. We’ve got a good list but it’s not super deep. We have carried too many injuries, that’s a fact. 

No matter the injuries the games style should largely stay the same, and our games style is still slow slow slow, bomb long, no matter who is playing. The only time we ever look good and fast is a fast break centre clearance that usually results in a shot from 50-35 out and very rarely a pass to a leading forward.

Question why they haven’t been able to attract any decent trades vs what the last 3 premiers have, The handling of Oliver is a stinker should never have played seniors last year until he earned it via Casey that’s culture setting 

Edited March 24Mar 24 by Demonsone

Without making a comment on our own performance, anyone who is making the play that "we only beat North Melbourne" needs to re-assess. They are building a great midfield, have some good backs and an excellent key forward, and are on the way up. They have had a plethora of early draft picks, made some astute later drafting and have a renowned coach.

If you are disappointed in Melbourne's play, don't diminish North's capability.

1 minute ago, mauriesy said:

Without making a comment on our own performance, anyone who is making the play that "we only beat North Melbourne" needs to re-assess. They are building a great midfield, have some good backs and an excellent key forward, and are on the way up. They have had a plethora of early draft picks, made some astute later drafting and have a renowned coach.

If you are disappointed in Melbourne's play, don't diminish North's capability.

This. North Melbourne didn't play like a bottom 4 side. We were awful, but North Melbourne played really well and have been building for a while. It was going to click eventually for them, unfortunately it happened against us. 

Simon Goodwin is for the bin.

Remember we were also a chance for Houston before all that Carp went down.