On 17/11/2024 at 10:01, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Check back in on Sunday night to see foxfooty.com.au’s phantom draft.

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I guess they have until 11:59pm...

  On 17/11/2024 at 09:46, Axis of Bob said:

I think posters have become myopically focused on the midfield because Trac and Oliver were out/hobbled this year. Yes we need to grab a midfielder but it’s certainly not our only need. We have needs for rucks, tall defenders, tall forwards and small forwards as we transition our past premiership squad into a future premiership squad.

Oliver and Trac are contracted for many years still, and we only really need to get one midfielder out of the draft especially since we got a couple of long termers with early picks last year in Windsor and Kolt.

Picking Tauru gives us a May succession and Armstrong allows us to play our younger defenders away from the forward line. We just need to hero adding talent and we’ll have a spot for them no matter who it is.

Some good points but Armstrong won’t help us send Petty Turner down back for 3-4 years

So draft for now? mids 

Draft for 3-4 years time? tall fwd

i’m keen on the former while we have guns

  On 17/11/2024 at 10:15, DubDee said:

Some good points but Armstrong won’t help us send Petty Turner down back for 3-4 years

So when is the right time to draft a tall? 

If we always have to wait longer for a tall to develop, is there ever a good time to draft a tall? Or do we have to wait until we’re desperate? And then wait a few more years?

 We're not drafting for a player to win us a flag next year with the old group, we’re drafting for a player to help us win one with the older group. If we were drafting for now then we’d have just traded the pick.

This guy on YouTube has us taking the following...

 

First pick: Jagga Smith

Second pick: Alix Tauru

 

Here is the video for those interested:

 

  On 17/11/2024 at 10:27, Axis of Bob said:

So when is the right time to draft a tall? 

If we always have to wait longer for a tall to develop, is there ever a good time to draft a tall? Or do we have to wait until we’re desperate? And then wait a few more years?

 We're not drafting for a player to win us a flag next year with the old group, we’re drafting for a player to help us win one with the older group. If we were drafting for now then we’d have just traded the pick.

i’d say in the top 10 of the draft, almost never go tall. Unless you get a Weitering or LJ type gun, always go a mid.

Gambling on a tall with high picks is risky as history shows

Draft talls with later picks/rookies/mid season draft. 

  On 17/11/2024 at 10:43, DubDee said:

i’d say in the top 10 of the draft, almost never go tall. Unless you get a Weitering or LJ type gun, always go a mid.

Gambling on a tall with high picks is risky as history shows

Draft talls with later picks/rookies/mid season draft. 

Then how do you ever get a decent key forward?

Who are the key forwards that you can pick up with late or rookie picks? The top 7 in the Coleman this year were drafted with early picks or were father son picks. Key defenders are often available later on but it’s exceedingly rare that good key forwards are available with anything except early picks.

Edited November 17, 2024Nov 17 by Axis of Bob

  On 17/11/2024 at 10:51, Axis of Bob said:

Then how do you ever get a decent key forward?

Who are the key forwards that you can pick up with late or rookie picks? The top 7 in the Coleman this year were drafted with early picks or were father son picks. Let defenders are often available later on but it’s exceedingly rare that good key forwards are available with anything except early picks.

Sorry i wasn’t talking in general, I meant with this draft. We have taken 2 tall fwds recently with first round picks (outside top 10) so I’m saying we don’t take another one. 

but i take your point  if there is a Cameron or Hogan type gun, you take them  I just don’t think they are there this draft

 

Edited November 17, 2024Nov 17 by DubDee

  On 17/11/2024 at 09:17, bing181 said:

Not to mention a Tomlinson + McDonald replacement. 

in theory we have them already in Petty and Turner, but shifting them back only moves the same problem to the forward line. 

I’d be surprised if we don’t take at least one tall. 

A Tomlinson, Mc Donald replacement?? shheeit look at our pick 80 or whatever it is😆

Edited November 17, 2024Nov 17 by picket fence

  On 17/11/2024 at 10:39, Supreme_Demon said:

This guy on YouTube has us taking the following...

 

First pick: Jagga Smith

Second pick: Alix Tauru

 

Here is the video for those interested:

 

Shhhheit If thats right i,ll sleep at Slthera city if that gets that deal Through!!

  On 17/11/2024 at 10:57, DubDee said:

Sorry i wasn’t talking in general, I meant with this draft. We have taken 2 tall fwds recently with first round picks (outside top 10) so I’m saying we don’t take another one. 

but i take your point  if there is a Cameron or Hogan type gun, you take them  I just don’t think they are there this draft

 

Spot on 

I'm confused by the Tauru situation. I like him and am on record here as saying yes at 5.

The biggest reason for this is NM being rumoured to happily 'reach for him at 2. Yes they some good kid Mids but as we all hear time and time and time again the best players are the gun mids. They get taken at the pointy end. You don't go for position at the pointy end you get the best kid period. If Tauru is in the position a club wanting him at 2 despite then missing the 2nd best available player - that tells me perhaps this batch isn't necessarily as good as all the hype is making them out to be. North are still developing they need the Best players they can get regardless of position trade a gun mid for a KP next year with a couple of years of development if needed. 

Hence Tauru must be pretty special - rated on par with pointy end mids. 193cm (and growing) aerialist swingman - a handy acquisition in any books. The flowing blonde hair taking  pack marks at either of the ground - its a yes from me if available at 5

Eages into Berry

  On 17/11/2024 at 10:27, Axis of Bob said:

So when is the right time to draft a tall? 

If we always have to wait longer for a tall to develop, is there ever a good time to draft a tall? Or do we have to wait until we’re desperate? And then wait a few more years?

 We're not drafting for a player to win us a flag next year with the old group, we’re drafting for a player to help us win one with the older group. If we were drafting for now then we’d have just traded the pick.

The best time is 5 years ago 😅

We took a key forward 2 years running with our first pick in JVR and Jefferson. They will need time to develop. We need to remember JVR has performed well above expected for his age, not meant to hit his peak for a few years still.

I agree with the last part. No matter who we draft, it is for what the team will look like in 5 years time. Outside of Trent rivers and maybe Windsor, it is a great chance to add another young gun to our midfield stocks

  On 17/11/2024 at 10:51, Axis of Bob said:

Then how do you ever get a decent key forward?

Who are the key forwards that you can pick up with late or rookie picks? The top 7 in the Coleman this year were drafted with early picks or were father son picks. Key defenders are often available later on but it’s exceedingly rare that good key forwards are available with anything except early picks.

While true, you must also realise the top 3 in the Coleman weren’t drafted to their clubs, they were traded in from other clubs. I get your point but there are other avenues to get players. 
 

I don’t think there is a forward in this draft that has shown enough to use one of our picks, i reckons we should be bringing mids based on the talent pool. 

  On 17/11/2024 at 11:27, adonski said:

Eages into Berry

Freo too. May put us in a good position to deal with one of them.

  On 17/11/2024 at 11:05, picket fence said:

A Tomlinson, Mc Donald replacement?? shheeit look at our pick 80 or whatever it is😆

Jed Adams was pick 38. How's that working out?

Over the past 10 years, the only players lower than pick 50 that even half-looked like establishing an AFL career were Jadyn Hunt (57) and Toby Bedford (75), but he was an Academy pick. And the only player we picked in the 80's in that period was Mitch Clisby (zero games).

In any case, the point wasn't just about Tomlinson plus Tom Mac, it was about losing/about to lose 3 KPD's. On top of having lost BBB and Schache, not to mention Farris-White, and with Fullarton's MFC debut nowhere in site and only a year on his contract.

Which is one of the reasons we tried for Derkson and have taken a long shot on Kentfield. But we cannot be looking at losing/end of career for half a dozen+ talls without giving serious consideration to available talls in the draft.

Though in JT we trust.

 

  On 17/11/2024 at 08:59, 12345_54321 said:

We need a May replacement not a Lever replacement lol 

I'm bullish on either Petty or Turner eventually replacing May provided Jeffo comes on to fill the forward spot.

  On 17/11/2024 at 12:08, Demon Jack said:

I'm bullish on either Petty or Turner eventually replacing May provided Jeffo comes on to fill the forward spot.

I’m not worried on Jeffo. But Turner will never be a May replacement. He’s the Lever replacement if anything with the way he plays as that interceptor. 
 

Petty also doesn’t look like a number 1 to me, a number 2 sure but not the general. We need that hulking full back like May. 

  On 17/11/2024 at 01:14, DeeSpencer said:

He’s clean at times but there’s a lot of two grabbing or the ball going off his hands.

If he was an exceptional mark to go with his rare athleticism for a tall and straight set shot kicking he’d be a sure thing top 5 pick. 

Lloyd is pumping up his guy, not really an unbiased opinion.

Lloyd just pumping up his own tyres!

Fox Footy Phantom Draft

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/phantom-draft-afl-2024-fox-footy-afl-phantom-mock-draft-2024-predictions-live-trades-bids-formguide-date-time/news-story/be023112f1bf1fcc17d4189df93fa5ab

This has us taking Taura at pick 5 and Allan at pick 9.

Underwhelmed with Taura to be honest. Especially as he is a bit of a ball butcher off half back. It's a ridiculous reach for a guy that's only just performed this year.

If Draper is there then we'd be silly not to seriously consider him. He's a potential  A grade midfielder that would be ready to go come round 1 next year.

I don't love it, so I'm hoping this particular phantom draft doesn't play out like this.

  On 17/11/2024 at 19:47, dazzledavey36 said:

Fox Footy Phantom Draft

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/phantom-draft-afl-2024-fox-footy-afl-phantom-mock-draft-2024-predictions-live-trades-bids-formguide-date-time/news-story/be023112f1bf1fcc17d4189df93fa5ab

This has us taking Taura at pick 5 and Allan at pick 9.

That's the dream outcome, if we don't trade down.

  On 17/11/2024 at 20:04, Davos said:

That's the dream outcome, if we don't trade down.

The dreamer:

  On 17/11/2024 at 20:04, dazzledavey36 said:

Underwhelmed with Taura to be honest. Especially as he is a bit of a ball butcher off half back. It's a ridiculous reach for a guy that's only just performed this year.

If Draper is there then we'd be silly not to seriously consider him. He's a potential  A grade midfielder that would be ready to go come round 1 next year.

I don't love it, so I'm hoping this particular phantom draft doesn't play out like this.

I like Tauru but I don’t like him when there is a gun midfielder on the board at 5 

While I prefer Smith and Langford, Draper performed almost as well as these two this year and I’d be massively dissappointed if we overlooked him here 

Edited November 17, 2024Nov 17 by demoncat

  On 17/11/2024 at 20:45, demoncat said:

I like Tauru but I don’t like him when there is a gun midfielder on the board at 5 

While I prefer Smith and Langford, Draper performed almost as well as these two this year and I’d be massively dissappointed if we overlooked him here 

I don't think Draper does much other than run quick, no issues overlooking him, but id prefer if we overlooked him for another mid!