Oliver Trade Rumours

[Ethan Tremblay 30,675]

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

Look forward and learn from the past. So both sides of the argument can be right

But to wallow in the past isn't a practical solution.  Nor is not acknowledging that we can do things better

A lot can change in a few weeks in a footy club. With Petracca & Oliver back on board, suddenly the goal of finals is on the radar and quite achievable

Especially with the acquisition of 2 gun draftees

As Kamala Harris would say, “what can be, unburdened by, what has been.” 

Edited October 16 by Ethan Tremblay

[layzie 33,659]

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

100%.

I've been posting on this site a few decades too, and it's become very toxic the past year or so. Sadly I've had to reduce time spent reading and posting unless it's on a specific question or topic. 

Hopefully 2025 is a better year for the club and our great draft hand provides us all with some hope and excitement.

Yep me too. 

Spent quite a bit of time off here this year, been on more lately because of trade period but it hasn't been the most pleasant place. 

Early in the year I'd replaced a lot of my time on here with regular book reading but the last one I was on got boring so that's probably another reason I'm on more lately.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,675]

“Toxic” is such an overused word that really has no substance. It gets thrown around way too often. The club has faced relentless scrutiny from the media of late; the future of our biggest stars has been questioned, the President (who we hadn’t heard from in months) spoke to the media and resigned shortly after. The list goes on. People join and post on here because they’re (predominantly) diehard fans. When things aren’t going well (and even when the club is kicking goals), people come on here to vent, give their opinion, read other posters opinions and provide a comment. There’s naturally going to be butting of heads. If you can’t handle your opinions or comments being questioned, disagreed with or challenged, perhaps an online forum full of passionate fans just isn’t for you. 

Edited October 16 by Ethan Tremblay

[Macca 16,893]

17 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

As Kamala Harris would say, “what can be, unburdened by, what has been.” 

Footy clubs can change either way, very quickly.  I really only care about talent levels and winning

So we've got plenty of talent ... just need a reasonable run with injuries 

[Ollie fan 3,265]

3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

“Toxic” is such an overused word that really has little actual meaning. It’s thrown around way too often. The clubs been getting smashed by the media, the future of our biggest stars has been up in the air over the last couple of months, the President (who we hadn’t heard from in who knows how long), spoke to the media and resigned shortly after. The list goes on. Fans post on here because they’re (mostly) pretty diehard. When things aren’t going well (and sometimes even when things are going well), people come on here to vent, give their opinion, read other posters opinions. There’s naturally going to be butting of heads. If you can’t handle your opinions or comments being questioned, disagreed with or challenged, perhaps an online forum full of passionate fans just isn’t for you. 

It's the"fans" bit that bothers me. There are a number of posters who do nothing but criticise. That's hardly being a fan.

 

BTW, a poster on this site recently revealed that during the period where Petracca was in the news and Kate Roffey was silent, she was actually in hospital with COVID. So perhaps we can all back off that particular bit of criticism.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,675]

6 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

It's the"fans" bit that bothers me. There are a number of posters who do nothing but criticise. That's hardly being a fan.

 

BTW, a poster on this site recently revealed that during the period where Petracca was in the news and Kate Roffey was silent, she was actually in hospital with COVID. So perhaps we can all back off that particular bit of criticism.

Fans can be disgruntled and criticise, who cares. Well, if a poster on here claimed Roffey was in hospital for the period that the Petracca saga was going on, then I’ll have to believe that (or not, because it’s rubbish).

Edited October 16 by Ethan Tremblay

[layzie 33,659]

It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under..

[Monbon 1,840]

44 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

As Kamala Harris would say, “what can be, unburdened by, what has been.” 

She sounds as demented as Biden. We won't even mention the Donald species...

 

[layzie 33,659]

2 minutes ago, Monbon said:

She sounds as demented as Biden. We won't even mention the Donald species...

 

Donald Duck? Yeah he's pretty good. 

[Jaded No More 68,789]

23 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

“Toxic” is such an overused word that really has no substance. It gets thrown around way too often. The club has faced relentless scrutiny from the media of late; the future of our biggest stars has been questioned, the President (who we hadn’t heard from in months) spoke to the media and resigned shortly after. The list goes on. People join and post on here because they’re (predominantly) diehard fans. When things aren’t going well (and even when the club is kicking goals), people come on here to vent, give their opinion, read other posters opinions and provide a comment. There’s naturally going to be butting of heads. If you can’t handle your opinions or comments being questioned, disagreed with or challenged, perhaps an online forum full of passionate fans just isn’t for you. 

It's never what you say, but how you say it.

Differing of opinions is healthy, natural and completely fine. As is venting.

But it says more about you, if you feel the need to constantly attack, belittle and railroad the opinions of others (not you personally), than it does about those who feel fed up with it.

 

[Monbon 1,840]

Just now, layzie said:

Donald Duck? Yeah he's pretty good. 

They all took logic and brain power lessons from Goofy.

[Adam The God 29,862]

4 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

 With supporters like you, who needs opponents.

This idea that you are a better fan because you unquestioningly support the board or admin or the culture of the club is rubbish and it's tedious.

[Ollie fan 3,265]

13 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Fans can be disgruntled and criticise, who cares. Well, if a poster on here claimed Roffey was in hospital for the period that the Petracca saga was going on, then I’ll have to believe that (or not, because it’s rubbish).

Sorry, I thought it was true, but if you say it is rubbish I will accept your reasoned and  evidence-supported response.

[Kent 2,892]

31 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

“Toxic” is such an overused word that really has no substance. It gets thrown around way too often. The club has faced relentless scrutiny from the media of late; the future of our biggest stars has been questioned, the President (who we hadn’t heard from in months) spoke to the media and resigned shortly after. The list goes on. People join and post on here because they’re (predominantly) diehard fans. When things aren’t going well (and even when the club is kicking goals), people come on here to vent, give their opinion, read other posters opinions and provide a comment. There’s naturally going to be butting of heads. If you can’t handle your opinions or comments being questioned, disagreed with or challenged, perhaps an online forum full of passionate fans just isn’t for you. 

We all, Ethan,in our own way wish desperately for the club to be successfull and thrive

All comments are relevant even if many disagree with content

Free flowing discussion,in my experience, even if heated, leads always to better outcomes

Edited October 16 by Kent

[DubDee 25,245]

Way to stay on topic guys

[rpfc 28,175]

3 minutes ago, Kent said:

We all, Ethan,in our own way wish desperately for the club to be successfull and thrive

All comments are relevant even if many disagree with content

Free flowing discussion,in my experience, even if heated, leads always to better outcomes

‘All comments are relevant’ - no they’re not.

Also, dismissing people (posters) outright is not ‘free-flowing discussion’. 

While I agree with Ethan’s post and its sentiments - it is used by the mean spirited and malevolent to waive away pointlessly mean and cruel posts.

Thats the very small percentage of posts that has made this place so abhorrent of late.

[58er 6,258]

31 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

It's the"fans" bit that bothers me. There are a number of posters who do nothing but criticise. That's hardly being a fan.

 

BTW, a poster on this site recently revealed that during the period where Petracca was in the news and Kate Roffey was silent, she was actually in hospital with COVID. So perhaps we can all back off that particular bit of criticism.

Now we have Chris Scott making our post forum with  very old and overused excuses . 
Seem to have heard the Covid excuse before. Chris try another illness please ! 

[layzie 33,659]

Come on guys.

3 hours left, we need to stick together. 

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 4,974]

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

Come on guys.

3 hours left, we need to stick together. 

Arguably we are together, Layz, all in this same room called (if I remember rightly) the 'Oliver-something-or-other' thread.

Just all with our backs to eachother...

[The heart beats true 18,072]

I second those saying that things have got particularly unpleasant on here the last few months.

There are a couple of posters with a pathological desire to always be ‘right’. It shows such a complete disregard for almost everyone else who uses this site when they chase each other across threads arguing the same points, or take an opposing view because someone had the audacity to challenge their opinion at one point. And if those users think we don’t see the baiting that goes on most of us do, and it’s boring and immature.

I read a fascinating statistic about social media (of which Demonland is part of) this week. 90% of content is posted by less than 20% of users. Which means somewhere in the vicinity of 70% of opinion goes unheard, and most likely fills the middle ground. Essentially what I’m saying is if you’ve made your point trust that it’s been read, and move on and leave some space for other ideas.

I love this place and value it enormously, but I wish it was more fun, more conversational, and we could all be less rigid.

[Deestar9 1,585]

54 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

“Toxic” is such an overused word that really has no substance. It gets thrown around way too often. The club has faced relentless scrutiny from the media of late; the future of our biggest stars has been questioned, the President (who we hadn’t heard from in months) spoke to the media and resigned shortly after. The list goes on. People join and post on here because they’re (predominantly) diehard fans. When things aren’t going well (and even when the club is kicking goals), people come on here to vent, give their opinion, read other posters opinions and provide a comment. There’s naturally going to be butting of heads. If you can’t handle your opinions or comments being questioned, disagreed with or challenged, perhaps an online forum full of passionate fans just isn’t for you. 

Toxic is the perfect word to describe Demonland at times. The fact you need such a long winded explanation to justify this behaviour..is kind of sad 😔 

[layzie 33,659]

10 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

I second those saying that things have got particularly unpleasant on here the last few months.

There are a couple of posters with a pathological desire to always be ‘right’. It shows such a complete disregard for almost everyone else who uses this site when they chase each other across threads arguing the same points, or take an opposing view because someone had the audacity to challenge their opinion at one point. And if those users think we don’t see the baiting that goes on most of us do, and it’s boring and immature.

I read a fascinating statistic about social media (of which Demonland is part of) this week. 90% of content is posted by less than 20% of users. Which means somewhere in the vicinity of 70% of opinion goes unheard, and most likely fills the middle ground. Essentially what I’m saying is if you’ve made your point trust that it’s been read, and move on and leave some space for other ideas.

I love this place and value it enormously, but I wish it was more fun, more conversational, and we could all be less rigid.

I like it, good philosophy THBT.  

[Dr. Gonzo 24,070]

2 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

Let's just suppose that is correct. Then why are you dragging up an incident from mid-2022, purely between two players, one of whom doesn't go very well with alcohol. What has that got to do with the culture of the club? Why are you repeating rumours about Goody which are totally unsupported, which he flatly denies, and which are highly defamatory? Why are you saying that Clarry wanted to leave when he has made it completely clear that the only thing that got him even thinking of leaving were the (unsubstantiated) reports that the club was open to trading him?

No, you've lost me.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

You can go along with your head in the sand or you can admit that there are issues and hope the club gets on the right track so they can succeed. Clubs with this level of dysfunction rarely (if ever) succeed. That is what I want, a successful MFC. I don't care about the personalities, I want the club to succeed.

[Moonshadow 17,672]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under..

Don't push me....

[defuture15 895]

Close to the edge?