binman’s rant (Goody defence)

[Webber 10,348]

Just listened to binman’s second solo pod, and felt compelled to start a separate thread to bring attention to his defence of Simon Goodwin. It’s brilliant stuff, an antidote to the kneejerk, ignorant bagging of his coaching both now and previously, driven of course by the cold hard truth. Not the menace of selective agendas, of cherry-picking outlier stats, events, or subjective interpretations based on reactive disappointment to unreasonable expectations, just plain old common sense and factual clarity. Well done binners, you won’t convince everyone, but of course we know how ‘truth’ works in the modern world. 

[DubDee 23,786]

Possibly the most underrated premiership coach in history

He has done an amazing job keeping the players together and united. We would have lost some of our stars without his compassionate mentoring approach

[Adam The God 28,668]

Thanks @Webber, am listening now.

[Adam The God 28,668]

Love this @binman.

[Cranky Franky 1,745]

Anyone among the acolytes disagree that he's has the best defence, best midfield & best ruck going round between 2018 & 2023.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,168]

He's been a very solid coach of the Melbourne Football Club. That is not up for debate.

I've been impressed with how he adapted to injuries in the second half of 2023 (Fritta, Petty, Melk) and how he's dug our club out of an absolute mid season hole this year. The way the under 23's are currently performing is an absolute credit and endorsement to Goody and his development staff.

To call him an MFC legend is, however, up for debate in my opinion. As it is for Bevo and the Dogs who are both comparable coaches IMO in terms of the ultimate success and quantity of finals wins.

Edited July 17 by Bring-Back-Powell

[HarpenDee 240]

Ive struggled with our 2021 flag being devalued (even on here by Demons) and we've been painted as having offered a meek defence of it in 2022/2023. Despite starting 2022 like a train, Top 4 both years, and not quite getting over the line in September.

Meanwhile Geelong start 2023 0-3 and miss finals and Collingwood 2024 0-3 and will miss finals. Yet they are painted as great Flag winnners and their respective coaches lauded.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,168]

1 minute ago, HarpenDee said:

Ive struggled with our 2021 flag being devalued (even on here by Demons)

Because it wasn’t at the MCG. Pure and simple.

I haven’t heard the media devalue it but many of the average fan on social media has.

[Adam The God 28,668]

12 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

He's been a very solid coach of the Melbourne Football Club. That is not up for debate.

I've been impressed with how he adapted to injuries in the second half of 2023 (Fritta, Petty, Melk) and how he's dug our club out of an absolute mid season hole this year. The way the under 23's are currently performing is an absolute credit and endorsement to Goody and his development staff.

To call him an MFC legend is, however, up for debate in my opinion. As it is for Bevo and the Dogs who are both comparable coaches IMO in terms of the ultimate success and quantity of finals wins.

Luke is a legend of the Footscray Football Club because he's one of only two Bulldogs coaches to ever win a flag and he's also got them to a second GF.

But unlike Goody, Luke has never had a side finish top 4 and it speaks to his coaching and his system.

Conversely, Goody has had 3 top 4 finishes, one minor premiership, one premiership and another year of making the PF in 2018.

I agree with Binners, Goody is a legend of our football club.

[Gawndy the Great 8,840]

9 minutes ago, HarpenDee said:

Ive struggled with our 2021 flag being devalued (even on here by Demons) and we've been painted as having offered a meek defence of it in 2022/2023. Despite starting 2022 like a train, Top 4 both years, and not quite getting over the line in September.

Meanwhile Geelong start 2023 0-3 and miss finals and Collingwood 2024 0-3 and will miss finals. Yet they are painted as great Flag winnners and their respective coaches lauded.

Thats the media spin at play. But there's also an element that our list was primed to be a dynasty and it fell short given our dominant 2021 finals display - there hasnt been any other like it in recent memory.  Everyone could see the holes in Geelong and Collingwood with their age profile so probably dont have the same expectation.  

Whether the list was truly one worthy of multiple flags is up for debate, many on here think it is/was and that is probably where a lot of the disdain for Goodwin originates from. I think we lack(ed) the list balance (key forwards / outside) and game style (turnover / ball movement elements) to be a dynasty team, but still think we deserved at least another flag. 

[Ollie fan 2,810]

47 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Anyone among the acolytes disagree that he's has the best defence, best midfield & best ruck going round between 2018 & 2023.

He has had two topliner defenders; the rest of our great defence was due to a system and the system is entirely down to the coach. How many times have commentators over the last few years referred to how well Melbourne was set up behind the ball? But in terms of personnel: I disagree with you. And Geelong's personnel were probably better overall in defence - and certainly in attack.

Most commentators think that Brisbane and WB have had pretty good lists too.

[HarpenDee 240]

I agree @Ollie fan - there's a bunch of good lists. How about Carlton? Theyve had as many if not more picks from top end of the draft and not even gone close, yet.

Which is why contending 3 (possibly 4?) years on the trot is so difficult and we deserve credit (see Collingwood who go criticism free for their flag defence). Oh well. 

[Engorged Onion 10,056]

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

Thanks @Webber, am listening now.

Which Pod is this mate?

[Gawndy the Great 8,840]

3 minutes ago, HarpenDee said:

I agree @Ollie fan - there's a bunch of good lists. How about Carlton? Theyve had as many if not more picks from top end of the draft and not even gone close, yet.

Which is why contending 3 (possibly 4?) years on the trot is so difficult and we deserve credit (see Collingwood who go criticism free for their flag defence). Oh well. 

I actually think their list is pretty good and is under delivering. They are just lacking hugely in system and defence. 

They match us in the midfield and have us covered in the forward line. Their defence really lacks a versatile interceptor and they don't really have a Petracca equivalent. 
 

[JJJ 914]

28 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Luke is a legend of the Footscray Football Club because he's one of only two Bulldogs coaches to ever win a flag and he's also got them to a second GF.

But unlike Goody, Luke has never had a side finish top 4 and it speaks to his coaching and his system.

Conversely, Goody has had 3 top 4 finishes, one minor premiership, one premiership and another year of making the PF in 2018.

I agree with Binners, Goody is a legend of our football club.

Of course he is a legend of the club. They are bloody hard to win and he got us over the line. He’s not Stevie Armstrong, he’s a Premiership Coach! 

I am not his biggest fan and even I can acknowledge that.

We should’ve won last year too! I do apportion some of the blame for missing on Goody though. It was plain to see that we needed to turn the list a little at the latter stages of 2022. The fact that we couldn’t replace Brayshaw with a serviceable player in the finals was a reflection on his lack of forward thinking. Then…. Schache….

He deserves this season to trial some players and load up for 2025.

[WalkingCivilWar 38,910]

 

2 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Which Pod is this mate?

and can someone please post a link?

[Adam The God 28,668]

12 minutes ago, HarpenDee said:

I agree @Ollie fan - there's a bunch of good lists. How about Carlton? Theyve had as many if not more picks from top end of the draft and not even gone close, yet.

Which is why contending 3 (possibly 4?) years on the trot is so difficult and we deserve credit (see Collingwood who go criticism free for their flag defence). Oh well. 

And Geelong...

[Adam The God 28,668]

6 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Which Pod is this mate?

Yesterday's Demonland podders ❤️ 

[binman 41,319]

8 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Which Pod is this mate?

The Demonland pod.

See top of page.

 

[DeeZone 8,764]

59 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

He's been a very solid coach of the Melbourne Football Club. That is not up for debate.

I've been impressed with how he adapted to injuries in the second half of 2023 (Fritta, Petty, Melk) and how he's dug our club out of an absolute mid season hole this year. The way the under 23's are currently performing is an absolute credit and endorsement to Goody and his development staff.

To call him an MFC legend is, however, up for debate in my opinion. As it is for Bevo and the Dogs who are both comparable coaches IMO in terms of the ultimate success and quantity of finals wins.

Have to strongly disagree BBP Simon Goodwin, his coaching team and every player that pulled on the Red and Blue in the Premiership win in 2021 after 57 years of pain are Legends of the MFC.

[WalkingCivilWar 38,910]

2 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Have to strongly disagree BBP Simon Goodwin, his coaching team and every player that pulled on the Red and Blue in the Premiership win in 2021 after 57 years of pain are Legends of the MFC.

Spot on, DZ. The mere fact alone that he coached us to a drought-breaking premiership makes him automatically an MFC legend.

End of debate.

 

[whatwhat say what 21,672]

he's the best coach i've ever seen at the dees

the best we've had since norm smith

[WalkingCivilWar 38,910]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Because it wasn’t at the MCG. Pure and simple.

What a lame-@rse reason. Sure, it was heartbreaking that Victorian fans couldn’t see it live, but to cite that as the reason it’s not as valuable as other premierships is ridiculous at best. It’s selfish too. Our players and coaches had the joy of experiencing a grand final win, I’m so happy for them, despite watching it at home alone like *everyone else in Victoria.
 

*almost everyone. 

[Clayton van Oliver 1,754]

Loved it 👏

[SPC 3,440]

My only criticism of Goody has been his tendency to play the same 22, even when some are clearly out of form or injured.. he has won me back this year by playing the kids and appears to be keen to adapt and embrace change.