On 21/07/2024 at 22:46, dazzledavey36 said:

I think this comes down to due diligence.

And Tim Lamb is quoted as saying "Tom we’ve been tracking for a fair while". So it's not like they just decided at the last minute. 

But could this - and Billings and Hunter and others - simply be a case of taking the only option available? In other words, nobody else was interested in coming to Melbourne. 

We took a speculative low-cost risk on Fullarton hoping he could become something he clearly hasn't yet. We traded pick 47 in a supposed 'shallow' draft for him, not a first rounder. Clearly hasn't come on as we hoped but was who we believed to be best available for our needs at the pick and within our wage budget. 

Would I like a Lloyd Meek who can come in and fill a need? Of course. But even if we have one, come the end of the year we're rebalancing our cap and working out who we need to let go to pay our back up ruck an above average wage. Lists will always have holes due to the nature of the salary cap, backup ruck is one for us. Can only fill these holes by taking calculated risks that sometimes work and sometimes don't.

I'm excited to see what we do this off-season but won't be at all surprised if we have the same issues next year as you just can't afford to pay a backup ruck anything other than minimum and Gawn needs to be first ruck. 

  On 21/07/2024 at 23:08, RedBlueandTrue said:

We took a speculative low-cost risk on Fullarton hoping he could become something he clearly hasn't yet. We traded pick 47 in a supposed 'shallow' draft for him, not a first rounder. Clearly hasn't come on as we hoped but was who we believed to be best available for our needs at the pick and within our wage budget. 

Would I like a Lloyd Meek who can come in and fill a need? Of course. But even if we have one, come the end of the year we're rebalancing our cap and working out who we need to let go to pay our back up ruck an above average wage. Lists will always have holes due to the nature of the salary cap, backup ruck is one for us. Can only fill these holes by taking calculated risks that sometimes work and sometimes don't.

I'm excited to see what we do this off-season but won't be at all surprised if we have the same issues next year as you just can't afford to pay a backup ruck anything other than minimum and Gawn needs to be first ruck. 

Disagree. Every other club has back up ruckman ready to go. No other team of recent has lost clearances so convincly

  On 21/07/2024 at 21:44, kozzyisalegend said:

I'm baffled as to the recruitment of a back up key fwd over a back up ruck. Verall is very raw and we gave Grundy up very easily

I agree with this. Add to that the mid season draft pick that we used to sadly effectively replace a midfielder we again used a let’s call him a forward that can ruck. Absolutely nothing against Kentfield but seemed bizarre to me at the time when I would have thought bigger priorities were a genuine ruck or pure midfielders as the cupboard is bare at Casey. In my opinion our overall list is extremely unbalanced. 

  On 21/07/2024 at 23:15, kozzyisalegend said:

Disagree. Every other club has back up ruckman ready to go. No other team of recent has lost clearances so convincly

Don't think any of them make much of a difference to anything yesterday. Naismith maybe? Might've just got injured for us too. Goldy? Might've been a worse outcome having him trudging around. As if we weren't flat-footed enough. Certainly would've liked Moyle out there but how long is he going to be a backup for. I of course hope we can get someone like him for our next roll of the dice!

  On 21/07/2024 at 21:03, dazzledavey36 said:

Well this pretty much explains it. 

 

Didn't Fullarton have 30 hit outs in a VFL match a few weeks ago? Classy by Goodwin to pump up Fullarton's tyres in public.

And wonder if he noticed Pup's 24 tackles on the weekend? Didn't seem to notice/reward Pup's match saving one against Norf

It really makes you wonder why we have him and some others on our list. Are he and Schacke contracted for long?

Did the club make a mistake in drafting these two?

Seems like it. 

On a more positive note Billings wasn't too bad v the Dockers coming in as the sub.

He's probably the better of the three on him, Hunter and McAdam.

But despite our clubs excellent recruiting I on general, I feel like we have picked up quite a few that are not up to speed.

 

  On 22/07/2024 at 00:36, dice said:

Didn't Fullarton have 30 hit outs in a VFL match a few weeks ago? Classy by Goodwin to pump up Fullarton's tyres in public.

 

Was he playing against two quality AFL ruckman?

I highly doubt that what Goody is saying publicly, he hasn't told Fullarton privately.

Do you think Tom is walking around wondering why he isn't getting a game? Or do you think he's been made fully aware of what he has to work on?

  On 22/07/2024 at 00:36, dice said:

Didn't Fullarton have 30 hit outs in a VFL match a few weeks ago? Classy by Goodwin to pump up Fullarton's tyres in public.

And wonder if he noticed Pup's 24 tackles on the weekend? Didn't seem to notice/reward Pup's match saving one against Norf

Playing against the Northen Bullants.

Which is pretty much playing against an undersized EDFL ruckman at suburban level. 

  On 22/07/2024 at 01:14, Jaded No More said:

Do you think Tom is walking around wondering why he isn't getting a game?

Yep I do. And I reckon he's p*ssed off

Edited July 22, 2024Jul 22 by dice

Has anyone analysed his 2023 vfl season for Brisbane?

Thanks

  On 22/07/2024 at 02:18, dice said:

Yep I do. And I reckon he's p*ssed off

Watch some Casey games - he has absolutely no reason to feel hard done by or p*sided off atm 

I’m not always convinced by Goodwins comments but re him not getting a hit out in the AFL atm he is spot on

Personally I don’t think he will ever be a ruck at AFL level - his only chance realistically is to focus on KPF - imo we should park him at CHF and Jefferson at FF for every game for the rest of Caseys season and see what they can do - They have been playing Schache back and maybe that’s his only chance (another Rory Lobb ?)

  On 22/07/2024 at 04:29, Sydee said:

Watch some Casey games - he has absolutely no reason to feel hard done by or p*sided off atm 

I’m not always convinced by Goodwins comments but re him not getting a hit out in the AFL atm he is spot on

Personally I don’t think he will ever be a ruck at AFL level - his only chance realistically is to focus on KPF - imo we should park him at CHF and Jefferson at FF for every game for the rest of Caseys season and see what they can do - They have been playing Schache back and maybe that’s his only chance (another Rory Lobb ?)

schache's best footy at afl level for footscray was as a tall defender

he's been pretty good at the role at vfl level

  On 22/07/2024 at 04:42, whatwhat say what said:

schache's best footy at afl level for footscray was as a tall defender

he's been pretty good at the role at vfl level

Probably true re Schache and the the dogs - and yet a team that has struggled for KPD happily let him go 🤔 

 

  On 21/07/2024 at 22:20, Jaded No More said:

I understand that this was what Twomey thought, and maybe that is what we thought to, but clearly we were sold a player who is not a ruckman or who needs a LOT of work in order to become one.

He's played 19 games and he's 24 already. Not really sure that we thought he would be anything other than a complete break glass in case of emergency option this season.

What I don't get is why we got him, and also kept Schache. 

 

Our trading of Senior players has been atrocious since 2021 and it is now coming back to bite, very hard. 
 

  On 21/07/2024 at 21:40, Jaded No More said:

Losing the hitouts wasn’t the problem. It was not competing when the ball hit the ground that was the problem. 
Gawn does two things better than any other ruck, he wins his own clearances (he averages 5 a game!), and he takes marks (averages over 5 a game). Those are his elite stats that we cannot replace even if we “win” the hitout stat. 

Fullarton would therefore have not helped as he neither wins hitouts, clearances nor is a particularly strong contested mark. 
I hazard a guess that we recruited him as a backup for a tall forward rather than as a ruck backup. 
It has to be a real priority in 2025 to have at least one ready to go ruck on our list outside of a 33 year old Gawn. 

This.

We're stuffed when he's gone. 

  On 18/07/2024 at 13:44, Tracca said:

start building

Ouch. Backed the wrong horse there.

Edited July 22, 2024Jul 22 by layzie

  On 22/07/2024 at 04:08, Diamond_Jim said:

Has anyone analysed his 2023 vfl season for Brisbane?

Thanks

Averaged around 15 disposals, 5 marks, 5 hitouts per game. And kicked 30 goals across 18 games. Similar stats in 2022.

Just give the guy a chance in the seniors. Who knows - he may surprise everyone on this forum

  On 22/07/2024 at 06:25, dice said:

Averaged around 15 disposals, 5 marks, 5 hitouts per game. And kicked 30 goals across 18 games. Similar stats in 2022.

Just give the guy a chance in the seniors. Who knows - he may surprise everyone on this forum

5 hit outs per game in the VFL tells you everything you need to know about his rucking ability 

His one and only chance at this level is a KP player because he isn’t big enough or strong enough to play ruck against the big boys 

It is that simple 

  On 21/07/2024 at 23:15, kozzyisalegend said:

Disagree. Every other club has back up ruckman ready to go. No other team of recent has lost clearances so convincly

Correct .they have hit the young talent well but gaping holes in getting ready experience talent to maximise the flag window which is now shut!

  On 21/07/2024 at 21:44, kozzyisalegend said:

I'm baffled as to the recruitment of a back up key fwd over a back up ruck. Verall is very raw and we gave Grundy up very easily

kial - do you have a strategy whereby we could keep Brundy and play Max?   Our brains trust couldn’t. 

  On 22/07/2024 at 06:25, dice said:

Averaged around 15 disposals, 5 marks, 5 hitouts per game. And kicked 30 goals across 18 games. Similar stats in 2022.

Just give the guy a chance in the seniors. Who knows - he may surprise everyone on this forum

dice - are you seriously suggesting that we just “give him a go”? Where and for whom?

Sorry but if the answer is Fullarton, Billings and Schache then the wrong question is being asked. 

Hunter probably in similar category. 

  On 21/07/2024 at 22:20, kozzyisalegend said:

There's a bloke in the vfl called Brayden crossley. Absolute unit in the ruck. Makes fullarton look silly

GOOBER

  On 22/07/2024 at 11:03, Demonsone said:

Correct .they have hit the young talent well but gaping holes in getting ready experience talent to maximise the flag window which is now shut!

Drafting has been great: trading has been pretty awful TBH (since May Lever)

Edited July 22, 2024Jul 22 by monoccular

  On 21/07/2024 at 23:08, RedBlueandTrue said:

We took a speculative low-cost risk on Fullarton hoping he could become something he clearly hasn't yet. We traded pick 47 in a supposed 'shallow' draft for him, not a first rounder. Clearly hasn't come on as we hoped but was who we believed to be best available for our needs at the pick and within our wage budget. 

Would I like a Lloyd Meek who can come in and fill a need? Of course. But even if we have one, come the end of the year we're rebalancing our cap and working out who we need to let go to pay our back up ruck an above average wage. Lists will always have holes due to the nature of the salary cap, backup ruck is one for us. Can only fill these holes by taking calculated risks that sometimes work and sometimes don't.

I'm excited to see what we do this off-season but won't be at all surprised if we have the same issues next year as you just can't afford to pay a backup ruck anything other than minimum and Gawn needs to be first ruck. 

Sure but we could have rookied a VFL ruck and had a better outcome.