On 01/07/2024 at 05:58, seventyfour said:

If one or two go through in 2023 we might be reigning Premiers 😔

Exactly.

  On 01/07/2024 at 04:08, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The fact that we've been outscored a combined 54-5 in our last 2 final quarters (V North and Lions) played would probably indicate that our fitness isn't "state of the art" at the moment.

And whilst our supporters are citing that we have a lot of young players in the team as an excuse, why is it that Hawthorn, who the media keep telling us are a young/rebuilding team, are running games out beautifully - whether it be putting bottom teams to the sword in the second half, or holding on in the last quarter against contending sides.

 

Different programs, differenent stage of development and different goals is the short answer.

But looking at 2 games in isolation gives a very skewed assessment.

The hawks couldn't go with us when we played them.

And we almost ran a 40 point lead down against the blues.

Not sure where the hawks ranked, but we were number 1 in the afl for scores in the last quarter after 10 rounds.

Doesn't sound like a team struggling for fitness to me. 

  On 01/07/2024 at 01:09, Binmans PA said:

Are you also saying here, Binners, that we will come out the other side of it this season and that there is a training block being undertaken?

Yes. 

From this article (my bolded bit)

First to worst: Fitness no factor, so what's causing Dees' final-term fades? 

 https://www.afl.com.au/news/1162860

'It's led to some queries around Melbourne's fitness and the side's ability to run out games, but that's a theory that's quickly dispelled by the numbers.

On Friday night, the Telstra Tracker shows the Demons ran a total distance of 297km. It was the most covered by any side across the entire round, and 9km more than the Lions during the game.

The Telstra Tracker also shows Melbourne ran 43km at high speed, 6km more than Brisbane. It completed 272 total sprints, 50 more than Brisbane, and it ran 21 repeat sprints, four more than Brisbane.

The Demons' average speed in defence – a number closely tracked by clubs as it displays the side's work rate without the ball – was 8.3km p/h.

It was significantly higher than the Lions at 7.4km p/h and the fifth best of any side across the round'

Edited July 1, 2024Jul 1 by binman

Not fitness. Inexperience and missing senior players/on-field leadership. 

  On 01/07/2024 at 08:32, bing181 said:

Not fitness. Inexperience and missing senior players/on-field leadership. 

Agree

also composure in big moments

 

rory’s missed 3 footers (498/498 inside 3 foot to that point) vs Bryson’s stone cold up and and down

 

  On 01/07/2024 at 05:58, seventyfour said:

If one or two go through in 2023 we might be reigning Premiers 😔

 

  On 01/07/2024 at 06:28, Sir Why You Little said:

Exactly. Not as it’s a new issue 

Sure. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. 
If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you always got. 
 

What has been the club’s response to these ongoing repetitive failures? Serious question?  Same skills coach. Same forward coach. 🤬😡

  On 01/07/2024 at 05:58, seventyfour said:

If one or two go through in 2023 we might be reigning Premiers 😔

And if my aunty had balls she would have been my uncle, but then again if you saw her.....

  On 01/07/2024 at 07:11, binman said:

From this article (my bolded bit)

First to worst: Fitness no factor, so what's causing Dees' final-term fades? 

 https://www.afl.com.au/news/1162860

'It's led to some queries around Melbourne's fitness and the side's ability to run out games, but that's a theory that's quickly dispelled by the numbers.

On Friday night, the Telstra Tracker shows the Demons ran a total distance of 297km. It was the most covered by any side across the entire round, and 9km more than the Lions during the game.

The Telstra Tracker also shows Melbourne ran 43km at high speed, 6km more than Brisbane. It completed 272 total sprints, 50 more than Brisbane, and it ran 21 repeat sprints, four more than Brisbane.

The Demons' average speed in defence – a number closely tracked by clubs as it displays the side's work rate without the ball – was 8.3km p/h.

It was significantly higher than the Lions at 7.4km p/h and the fifth best of any side across the round'

It would be good if these numbers were available by quarter, I reckon we would’ve been further ahead on distance covered at 3QT and way behind on pace and distance over the 4th. 

-20 on pressure and 39% time in fwd half in the 4th tells me we were cooked and that’s probably due to how much more work we did over the first 3QT.

I think we’re having to work harder without the ball after moving away from the high press and we’ve also got players getting caught out of position and having to run harder to compensate. 

It seems we are rebuilding with the amount of youth with the amount of 22 & below, as clearly failed at trading for older experienced players as all are sitting at Casey.

It would appear so, would it  not?

You're always a  chance against Goodwin's Dee's,even if the appear to be  coming back into the game.

The anti Collingwood in some ways

Edited July 2, 2024Jul 2 by IRW

Perhaps our fade out might to due to the players are frustrated with the coach or coaches. If this is the case then it is doom and gloom.

  On 02/07/2024 at 09:13, COOLX said:

Perhaps our fade out might to due to the players are frustrated with the coach or coaches. If this is the case then it is doom and gloom.

Do you seriously think this?

You think the players go hammer and tongs, play exceptional football, build a solid lead, then stop because they’re frustrated with the coaches? Like some sort of protest?

Seriously?

  On 02/07/2024 at 09:34, titan_uranus said:

Seriously?

Yes, some people believe that is the way people operate... 🤷‍♀️😇