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  On 17/06/2024 at 07:59, WalkingCivilWar said:

Iโ€™m just curious about why no others in the media will call this out 

It keeps a lot of people in a job, right now, the way it is 

They wonโ€™t rock the boat 

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      On 17/06/2024 at 08:00, buck_nekkid said:

    Controversy = clicks = happy AFL.  Wont get changed any time soon.

    You're right of course.

    It's also great for Cornes...can work the fans to a frenzy.

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    The obvious solution that nobody wants to talk about is a video referee. Most of us can see the howlers in real time . The video referee can look at all decisions and non decisions in real time and make a call to assist the umps.

    We are closer than most people think to AI based umpiring - I think we will see some sort of AI involvement in the next 10 years. We have an incredible large amount of Video footage we can use to train AI models to interpret rules and make a decision. Benefit is that these models would have the ability to process live video from multiple angles. In time the live feeds will be significantly better in quality and will be supplemented by other data like ball sensors, goal line tech and other innovations. 

    Question is can the game wait that long and what can we do in the meantime.

     

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      On 17/06/2024 at 08:03, Sir Why You Little said:

    It keeps a lot of people in a job, right now, the way it is 

    They wonโ€™t rock the boat 

    Why doesnโ€™t this apply to Cornes, though? Why can he come out and say what weโ€™re all thinking but other journos canโ€™t/wonโ€™t?

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      On 17/06/2024 at 07:56, Monbon said:

    You imply that is the case for the whole of each game. It just ain't so...

    That's your opinion and that's ok I don't agree, it's umpire complaint you can read it on game day threads here 2 minutes in and it's the umpires fault, at the end of the day it's swings and roundabouts. 

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      On 17/06/2024 at 08:22, WalkingCivilWar said:

    Why doesnโ€™t this apply to Cornes, though? Why can he come out and say what weโ€™re all thinking but other journos canโ€™t/wonโ€™t?

    He is probably the token Thorn, who helps SEN and Social Media to have daily content.
    Wilson is probably the only other Journalist who is able to put the boots into the AFL whenever she wishes.
    It is a totally different scenario in the media, from when i was involved in the 80โ€™s and 90โ€™s. 
    The AFL love to have content 24/7 whether it is positive or negative, it really doesnโ€™t matter. Clickbait generates revenue and the crowds still rock in. 

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      On 17/06/2024 at 07:54, Monbon said:

    What they are bagging is too blatant to ignore - unless you follow the team which benefits the most from these blatant shall we call them 'mistakes'?

    Well nothing is going to change so why bother getting upset.

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      On 17/06/2024 at 08:29, Sir Why You Little said:

    He is probably the token Thorn, who helps SEN and Social Media to have daily content.
    Wilson is probably the only other Journalist who is able to put the boots into the AFL whenever she wishes.
    It is a totally different scenario in the media, from when i was involved in the 80โ€™s and 90โ€™s. 
    The AFL love to have content 24/7 whether it is positive or negative, it really doesnโ€™t matter. Clickbait generates revenue and the crowds still rock in. 

    Cornes is a [censored] full stop,  the human headline wannabe. 

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      On 17/06/2024 at 08:31, demon3165 said:

    Cornes is a [censored] full stop,  the human headline wannabe. 

    Of Course.

    His role is not suited to everyone. He thrives on it, except when Port Adelaide are involved. His persona then changes drastically!!

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      On 17/06/2024 at 08:18, Gawndy the Great said:

    The obvious solution that nobody wants to talk about is a video referee. Most of us can see the howlers in real time . The video referee can look at all decisions and non decisions in real time and make a call to assist the umps.

    We are closer than most people think to AI based umpiring - I think we will see some sort of AI involvement in the next 10 years. We have an incredible large amount of Video footage we can use to train AI models to interpret rules and make a decision. Benefit is that these models would have the ability to process live video from multiple angles. In time the live feeds will be significantly better in quality and will be supplemented by other data like ball sensors, goal line tech and other innovations. 

    Question is can the game wait that long and what can we do in the meantime.

     

    If that happens people will stop watching full stop all this winging over a game and after all the only ones winging are the media who have an investment in ratings and sales and supporters who most of them have no clue about the rules all they can say is BALL at a game.

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    Time for the AFL to limit interchange to 32-40 a game and that will slow the game down and when fatigue sets in it won't be as quick and easier to umpire.

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    The state of lawlessness in the last five minutes of Collingwood v North was a site to behold. Shoving of players nowhere near the ball, Daicos red-hot in front of goals = not paid. Unwatchable. 

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      On 17/06/2024 at 07:59, WalkingCivilWar said:

    Iโ€™m just curious about why no others in the media will call this out 

    Accreditation....   sucking from the [censored] etc

    Afl media bought and paid for in the main.... a very cushy gig.  Lets not upset the cart...the hand that feeds us.

    Sad 

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      On 17/06/2024 at 07:44, demon3165 said:

    Of course media Muppets moan because they want ratings and sales mistakes are always going to be made big deal players lose more games than umpires,  don't listen to Cornes he is just a gutter opinion person, all this bagging will end up with kids not taking it up as it does filter down below.

    'Players lose more games than umpires' is a magical moment of moral gymnastics. Is that your benchmark? You'll only be worried when umpires are deciding more games than players? Or did you just recite a distracting line without actually considering what the words meant?

    As for 'All this bagging will end up with kids not taking it up' - talk about cliche number one of cover-up culture.

    If we don't 'bag' the serious and obvious defects in the management of the AFL level game, what would be left worth taking up? Do you really think the game of Australian football cannot survive valid and clear criticism of official mismanagement? Do you really think it can survive widespread disillusionment in honest competitiveness or fair and competent adjudication?

    When loyalty drifts towards the regime before the nation, the regime will consume the nation.

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      On 17/06/2024 at 08:45, bush demon said:

    The state of lawlessness in the last five minutes of Collingwood v North was a site to behold. Shoving of players nowhere near the ball, Daicos red-hot in front of goals = not paid. Unwatchable. 

    The interesting part about it is that one club has power over the entire league.

    The media should not be lauding Collingwoodโ€™s performance in the way they have, that game was won by the two non- decisions (Daicos and the 50m penalty)

     

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      On 17/06/2024 at 09:14, Little Goffy said:

    'Players lose more games than umpires' is a magical moment of moral gymnastics. Is that your benchmark? You'll only be worried when umpires are deciding more games than players? Or did you just recite a distracting line without actually considering what the words meant?

    As for 'All this bagging will end up with kids not taking it up' - talk about cliche number one of cover-up culture.

    If we don't 'bag' the serious and obvious defects in the management of the AFL level game, what would be left worth taking up? Do you really think the game of Australian football cannot survive valid and clear criticism of official mismanagement? Do you really think it can survive widespread disillusionment in honest competitiveness or fair and competent adjudication?

    When loyalty drifts towards the regime before the nation, the regime will consume the nation.

    Rubbish, how many players miss from 30 and lose close games, is that the umpires fault is it, no game will be perfectly umpired and there will be mistakes full stop so what's the answer to umpire a perfect game then and don't tell me video recall we have a unique game people need to stop sulking over it.

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    There has been a crazy amount of games that have been decided by bad calls or bad non-calls of free kicks over the last couple seasons. Not 50/50 calls, just flat out wrong. 

    The AFL fixed up the holding the ball fiasco in 1 week so thereโ€™s no reason they canโ€™t fix up the rest. 

    Thereโ€™s been two goals (canโ€™t remember which games) this season that have been paid, the replay has shown it was touched after going back to the middle and the commentary team justโ€ฆ didnโ€™t really say anything? The off field umpire just missed the footage that everyone else saw? Doesnโ€™t get spoken about again?


    Itโ€™s all amateurish at best or the AFL just likes the results so itโ€™s โ€˜mehโ€™, sooo I guess they literally arenโ€™t interested in games being umpired properly. So thatโ€™s nice.

     

    I wonโ€™t even mention how you basically donโ€™t even have to try and get rid of the ball anymore if you get tackled which is a rule called โ€˜insufficient attemptโ€™. [censored] crazy 
     

     

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      On 17/06/2024 at 09:18, BW511 said:

    The interesting part about it is that one club has power over the entire league.

    The media should not be lauding Collingwoodโ€™s performance in the way they have, that game was won by the two non- decisions (Daicos and the 50m penalty)

     

    So north being 50 points up and lost a game so that's the umpires fault is it, north are a young side xnd ran out of legs.

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      On 17/06/2024 at 09:30, demon3165 said:

    So north being 50 points up and lost a game so that's the umpires fault is it, north are a young side xnd ran out of legs.

    Itโ€™s not a given but Iโ€™m comfortable the result would have been different  had Daicos been penalised

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      On 17/06/2024 at 09:30, demon3165 said:

    So north being 50 points up and lost a game so that's the umpires fault is it, north are a young side xnd ran out of legs.

    Actually... given the circumstances... Yes.

    Just like any number of close games have been DECIDED ( effectively ) by Umpiring [censored] Ups . 

    Many will say it shouldn't be reliant upon THAT decision but that's an erroneous argument imo.. All decisions should be right. That surely is the point of UMPIRING  ?  So it ought not matter whether 5 mins in 1st ...19 mins in 3rd or 32mins in last...they are all the same .......or ARE they.  I suspect not. Whether North were tiring or not....totally irrelevant to that moment which should have been afforded a 'correct' decision.  The decision was WRONG... the result a travesty.

     

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      On 17/06/2024 at 07:39, Sir Why You Little said:

    The only way we will see any change under the Current System is if Umpires are made available to front the Media after each game, similar to Coaches..

    Another way is to name the rule that each free kick is played - during the game.The off- field umpire tells the commentators, who then tell us . But there is still another problem when the umps donโ€™t make a -  correct- decision, and call play on.

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      On 17/06/2024 at 07:30, demon3165 said:

    So what solutions do you have then, umpires can only pay what the see most times when 20 players are around the ball, do you propose we stop the game and go to the video on every decision?

    I think the solution is easy. Be better at your craft umpires. There are four on field now 

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      On 17/06/2024 at 10:02, beelzebub said:

    Actually... given the circumstances... Yes.

    Just like any number of close games have been DECIDED ( effectively ) by Umpiring [censored] Ups . 

    Many will say it shouldn't be reliant upon THAT

    that's an erroneous argument imo.. All decisions should be right. That surely is the point of UMPIRING  ?  So it ought not matter whether 5 mins in 1st ...19 mins in 3rd or 32mins in last...they are all the same .......or ARE they.  I suspect not. Whether North were tiring or not....totally irrelevant to that moment which should have been afforded a 'correct' decision.  The decision was WRONG... the result a travesty.

     

    There will never be a perfect game of umpiring that's just a fact it called a game with various rules and interpretations if a side is up that far they should not lose the game but people want someone to blame, so do you want video replay every decision,  because every decision even by that will be disputed by the media and supporters and then you are back to square one.

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