Don't mind this.

We certainly need some key position depth with Fullarton, Hore, McDonald and May all likely gone within 1-2yrs.

This doesn’t really inspire me with confidence based on prior year trades. Fullerton anyone? If the kid was any good he’d get a run in the firsts.

players i would like us to go for, not big names, but some depth and potential.

Archie Perkins - Can't get in at Ess, high draft pick. Has looked ok in the games i have seen.

Ollie Lord - I really like him, Fwd ruck, has looked good in the limited games he has got for port and stil developing

Derkson - Dees obviously keen, swingman which is always handy. although we already have a couple of these.

Liam Ryan - This guy is classy, think we could get him cheap. would be a good fwd replacement for kossie to allow him to go Midfield fulltime. is also related to Kossie which will help both settle in the vic life

Is obviously some guns we could target, but these guys i just like for cheaper options that could have impact over the next couple of years and beyond

7 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

players i would like us to go for, not big names, but some depth and potential.

Archie Perkins - Can't get in at Ess, high draft pick. Has looked ok in the games i have seen.

Ollie Lord - I really like him, Fwd ruck, has looked good in the limited games he has got for port and stil developing

Derkson - Dees obviously keen, swingman which is always handy. although we already have a couple of these.

Liam Ryan - This guy is classy, think we could get him cheap. would be a good fwd replacement for kossie to allow him to go Midfield fulltime. is also related to Kossie which will help both settle in the vic life

Is obviously some guns we could target, but these guys i just like for cheaper options that could have impact over the next couple of years and beyond

Don’t mind this approach and no problems with the names mentioned.

IMO the list needs a radical overhaul to hopefully stimulate a rejuvenation.

Swapping some/all of Salem, Lever, Langdon, Sparrow, maybe even Viney.

Test the worth of Rivers, Van Rooyen and maybe even McVee with WCE and Freo, Petty with Adelaide clubs and Fritsch, even Howes and Woewodin might attract some interest.

With the normal delistings of others who haven’t made the grade and are unlikely to do so, those being replaced by young players from the draft, the radical overhaul can be achieved without the need to “bottom out” IMO.

31 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

players i would like us to go for, not big names, but some depth and potential.

Archie Perkins - Can't get in at Ess, high draft pick. Has looked ok in the games i have seen.

Ollie Lord - I really like him, Fwd ruck, has looked good in the limited games he has got for port and stil developing

Derkson - Dees obviously keen, swingman which is always handy. although we already have a couple of these.

Liam Ryan - This guy is classy, think we could get him cheap. would be a good fwd replacement for kossie to allow him to go Midfield fulltime. is also related to Kossie which will help both settle in the vic life

Is obviously some guns we could target, but these guys i just like for cheaper options that could have impact over the next couple of years and beyond

Good post Trav. We need to trade in some players to move out others IMO. By moving out I mean moving down to Casey playing at the fringes and as back up. Spargo and Sparrow are two that come to mind.

Having Culley, Hendo, Johnson, Fullarton at the fringes has made our list weak. It has forced the team into playing the young ones to early such as Kolt.

On 31/07/2024 at 21:25, Adam The God said:

I tried to change the name, but I'm stuck with it for a year haha.

Apparently, we are actively thinking about putting McVee through the midfield next year, so we'll see.

It's interesting RE Trac. Against the Blues, he almost single handedly played a forward hand and won us that game. Without him playing forward for the rest of the game, we don't stay in it. Then against Collingwood on KB, before he got injured, everything he touched across half forward led to a scoring opportunity. Often we stuffed the chance. When he went off, we had no forward half connector.

Those two games show you how vital he has become for our forward half, that said he's a superstar mid too, so you want to try and get a 60 forward, 40 midfield split I reckon, depending on the opponent and the balance of the game.

I've come around to the idea of trying to hit this top 20 in 2024 really hard. If we could land two midfield young guns (think Port in the 2018 draft), it changes our list profile and sets us up for 5-10 years. Use our 2024 first rounder on a young gun, and dangle our 2025 first rounder (and 2026 @old55?) to see if we can't land another. 

I don't think Tracca fwd is a great move. He is probably the worst kick at goal in the comp.

50 minutes ago, Previously known as LITD. said:

I don't think Tracca fwd is a great move. He is probably the worst kick at goal in the comp.

Trac is brilliant around the arcs. His ball use from stoppage is heinous. His little kick to JVR, which didn't look touched to me, was a perfect example of his cleverness and ability to execute inside 50.

42 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Trac is brilliant around the arcs. His ball use from stoppage is heinous. His little kick to JVR, which didn't look touched to me, was a perfect example of his cleverness and ability to execute inside 50.

An example of his cleverness and ability to execute inside 50?

Of which he goes at about 50%?

I'm sorry but what you've written is incredibly misleading. Petracca has the ability to do those things, yeh sure. But his execution lands at less than 50%.

4 hours ago, Abyssal said:

Don’t mind this approach and no problems with the names mentioned.

IMO the list needs a radical overhaul to hopefully stimulate a rejuvenation.

Swapping some/all of Salem, Lever, Langdon, Sparrow, maybe even Viney.

Test the worth of Rivers, Van Rooyen and maybe even McVee with WCE and Freo, Petty with Adelaide clubs and Fritsch, even Howes and Woewodin might attract some interest.

With the normal delistings of others who haven’t made the grade and are unlikely to do so, those being replaced by young players from the draft, the radical overhaul can be achieved without the need to “bottom out” IMO.

Sorry dont agree with you at all. Trade out those players and we absolutely bottom out!

Trading JVR is crazy talk!

25 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

Sorry dont agree with you at all. Trade out those players and we absolutely bottom out!

Trading JVR is crazy talk!

I didn’t say trade out ALL OF THEM.

And I disagree with you Re Van Rooyen.

If we can get reasonable trade for a player with his limitations, where the hype has clearly exceeded the reality, why not trade him?

I can see the Bombers using our traded pick with their own, to target Harley Reid.

Clearly? Mate you have lost it, how many current fwds have kicked 60 goals in their first 50 games?

Il give you a tip, you can count them on 1 hand.

Let alone playing with the fwd delivery he is getting. Hasn't had the best year no but is only 22 and has kicked 6 in his last 4 games. He isnt even close to his peak yet.

Perkins is a huge no. Total dud ...think all your reservations about Kolt, but after 80 games.

Lord I am not sold on - has had plenty of opportunities and imo Jefferson shows more already.

Ryan I would look at but for very cheap.

We need to start to look beyond the cheap pickups. It's taken us nowhere....billings sharp schache....

22 hours ago, Random Task said:

Been playing mainly in defence the last two years. 194cm.

Was GWS vfl leading goalkicker in 2023 with 35 goals from 18 games.

Curious what we would do with him, replace Lever completely or put him forward to assist JVR and Jefferson who are very young.

Any universe we are involved in a deal for Zak Butters?

Geelong get C Oliver

Melbourne get Zak Butters

Port recieve a F1 from Geelong and Melb

11 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Any universe we are involved in a deal for Zak Butters?

Geelong get C Oliver

Melbourne get Zak Butters

Port recieve a F1 from Geelong and Melb

I 'd like to get Butters !!

But don't think Geelong will be giving up future 1st for Oliver.

4 minutes ago, Dees1911 said:

I 'd like to get Butters !!

But don't think Geelong will be giving up future 1st for Oliver.

No way butters comes to us

This is the thing - we’re looking like the anti destination club

On 20/07/2025 at 01:55, GS_1905 said:

This doesn’t really inspire me with confidence based on prior year trades. Fullerton anyone? If the kid was any good he’d get a run in the firsts.

Ahead of his 'run in the firsts' is Taylor, Buckley, Idun, Himmelberg and Aleer. I'd be happy to take a punt given our key defensive stocks.

On 20/07/2025 at 08:20, Travy14 said:

players i would like us to go for, not big names, but some depth and potential.

Archie Perkins - Can't get in at Ess, high draft pick. Has looked ok in the games i have seen.

Ollie Lord - I really like him, Fwd ruck, has looked good in the limited games he has got for port and stil developing

Derkson - Dees obviously keen, swingman which is always handy. although we already have a couple of these.

Liam Ryan - This guy is classy, think we could get him cheap. would be a good fwd replacement for kossie to allow him to go Midfield fulltime. is also related to Kossie which will help both settle in the vic life

Is obviously some guns we could target, but these guys i just like for cheaper options that could have impact over the next couple of years and beyond

Archie Perkins?? You want Another mr. average in our team?

On 20/07/2025 at 08:20, Travy14 said:

players i would like us to go for, not big names, but some depth and potential.

Archie Perkins - Can't get in at Ess, high draft pick. Has looked ok in the games i have seen.

Ollie Lord - I really like him, Fwd ruck, has looked good in the limited games he has got for port and stil developing

Derkson - Dees obviously keen, swingman which is always handy. although we already have a couple of these.

Liam Ryan - This guy is classy, think we could get him cheap. would be a good fwd replacement for kossie to allow him to go Midfield fulltime. is also related to Kossie which will help both settle in the vic life

Is obviously some guns we could target, but these guys i just like for cheaper options that could have impact over the next couple of years and beyond

Perkins - It's a no from me, though there may be some interest in someone else at the Hanger. Age-wise he fits into the profile we need, but I just don't see how he's a tangible improvement on anyone in our 22. Probably could add depth, but then again would he just be another Laurie? In my opinion, while we are probably lacking a bit of depth in our midfield stocks, if we're going after a mid he needs to be a point of difference from our current stocks and capable of hitting targets with creative kicking, and also playing week-in, week-out.

Lord - He's never really set the world on fire and I'm pretty torn on whether he would be another guy that just sits in the twos with average output, or if he can transform into a genuine player. Similar to Jefferson, I think Lord has shown moments of promise, but has just never really delivered and torn a game apart. Similar to most on this list, I'd be inclined to look at him - cost dependent. He's reportedly a player we were / are tracking, and I wouldn't be opposed to him getting a list spot, but I hardly think he'd transform our side and he'd be another speculative acquisition based on potential cf. deliverable output.

Derksen - Yes from me. Has shown good form in the VFL, would likely come cheap. In terms of age and body he could stand up to the rigours of AFL. Not expecting him to be the big great white hope, but at worst he'd be another depth player - particularly if we move past playing Goodwin's favourites. Although I do still hold some level of hope that AJ can fulfil that role down forward.

Ryan - kicked goals in 10/15 games he's played this including two returns of 3 goals, three returns of 2 goals, and singles in five games (also had a game where he kicked 0.4). He also has an ability to generate I50s and win clearances, which is something I do like for our forward arc. Outside of Pickett, he'd also probably be a player with genuine 'crumbability' and given we're almost devoid of any marking forward, this is something we sorely need. I'm still probably slightly agnostic on whether he's someone who would actually improve our list in a substantive way, but as it stands I'd probably give him and the stats the benefit of the doubt and say he would add some level of improvement to our forward line; of course, it would be totally dependent on his price and what we'd need to give up. I wouldn't want this to turn into McAdam MKII.

Welcome to being irrelevant again.

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Welcome to being irrelevant again.

Deeply disappointing being irrelevant

I’m interested to understand how much of this relates to perceptions of coach / game plan AND current results / trajectory

Having said that no one was clambering to get to us in peak Melbourne 2021-23

12 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Deeply disappointing being irrelevant

I’m interested to understand how much of this relates to perceptions of coach / game plan AND current results / trajectory

Having said that no one was clambering to get to us in peak Melbourne 2021-23

We were able to attract Lever, May, Langdon, Tomlinson, Brown before 2021.

i enjoyed looking down on st kilda there for a while