PRESEASON TRAINING: Friday 2nd February, 2024

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4 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

My top 23 are based on training.

B: Turner, May, McVee

HB: Bowey, Lever, Rivers

C: Windsor, Petracca, Langdon

HF: Billings, van Rooyen, Neal-Bullen

F: Spargo, Fritsch, McAdam

FOLL: Gawn, Brayshaw, Viney

IC: Howes, Sparrow, Laurie, Chandler

SUB: Woewodin

EMERG: Salem, Tholstrup, Hore

Salem has trained well enough and while I like Disco in you can’t deny Tommo hasn’t been one of our top 5/10 trainers. 
Reckon both them in 23 and Salo as well with Woe and Chandler out of 23. They don’t deserve not to play but it’s very competitive. Really Sparrow has had a poor but managed pre season and he won’t be left out as a mid vs other half forwards.

We are in a transitional phase and our youth is getting ready for the big stage along with our recruits. Hard work by all. 

Clarry and Petty to add the class at later dates.

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4 hours ago, Redleg said:

Well clearly Goody disagrees with you.

Goody didn’t even see him as replacement for a terribly performing Tom Mac.

Seriously that was a giant error and we will never know the result. I am surprised you are defending Goody when clearly one of the biggest errors in his coaching in the Fibsls was made in not using Schache from halfway into the third quarter. 
It’s like playing Green or Marsh and not bowling them. 

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20 minutes ago, 58er said:

…  I am surprised you are defending Goody when clearly one of the biggest errors in his coaching in the …

I don’t think Redleg was defending Goody. He was just stating a fact viz ‘clearly Goody disagrees with you’.

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2 minutes ago, M_9 said:

I don’t think Redleg was defending Goody. He was just stating a fact viz ‘clearly Goody disagrees with you’.

Well why use that reason to negate the other poster’s opinion. In fact Goody is  alleged to have deliberately not used Schache in the Semi because he was outvoted by the other MC members in naming him as Sub. . Not great work by our Coach and Footy Department together.

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Just quietly ANB smoking hot in that practise match, liked his touch.

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9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

My top 23 are based on training.

B: Turner, May, McVee

HB: Bowey, Lever, Rivers

C: Windsor, Petracca, Langdon

HF: Billings, van Rooyen, Neal-Bullen

F: Spargo, Fritsch, McAdam

FOLL: Gawn, Brayshaw, Viney

IC: Howes, Sparrow, Laurie, Chandler

SUB: Woewodin

EMERG: Salem, Tholstrup, Hore

Salem emergency 

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10 hours ago, Redleg said:

Well clearly Goody disagrees with you.

Goody didn’t even see him as replacement for a terribly performing Tom Mac.

Goodies MOST COSTLY Mistake in coaching was that call which IMV Totally cost us a tilt at the G.F, but that was last year. Let's see if anything changes this year which it should. I'll still maintain that T MAC is cooked. They are now trying him up back, which is about as useful as playing Ravishing Rick Flair's double for all I care, but IMV he is cooked.

Edited February 3 by picket fence

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6 hours ago, 58er said:

Well why use that reason to negate the other poster’s opinion. In fact Goody is  alleged to have deliberately not used Schache in the Semi because he was outvoted by the other MC members in naming him as Sub. . Not great work by our Coach and Footy Department together.

The things one can say and get away with saying just by inserting the magic word.. “alleged”
 

51 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Goodies MOST COSTLY Mistake in coaching was that call which IMV Totally cost us a tilt at the G.F, but that was last year. Let's see if anything changes this year which it should. I'll still maintain that T MAC is cooked. They are now trying him up back, which is about as useful as playing Ravishing Rick Flair's double for all I care, but IMV he is cooked.

Totally? So it’s this reason alone? 

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7 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

The things one can say and get away with saying just by inserting the magic word.. “alleged”
 

Jealous because you can’t use alleged. You are supposed to know some info but can’t tell due to your “inner sanctum” situation. No doubt you don’t like it but please don’t make out like it’s not likely to have happened. Think about the Sub not being used when all Dees  fans were screaming for some change. 

 

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On 02/02/2024 at 13:55, smiFFy said:

so, if Windsor is a lock (and that's exciting for selection, and I look forward to seeing if he gets a run in the preseason matches to start) which wing position does he take then? Hunter if his niggles persist I suppose?

I think he’ll get a R1 gong & Gus will play in the middle rotating with Rivers as 7th defender. His ball use is just so sublime — opinions of many critics following 1st match sims have sure come round now, welcome aboard! Hunter inj means he’ll likely get his shot, for me he’s a faster Gulden that’s gonna end-up with a bigger frame as well. 
 

Billings & McAdam are also locks, 💯 agree with PF, they were brought in for a specific reason & both have lot missed a beat. 

C: Windsor Rivers Langdon

HF: Billings JVR McAdam

FF: Fritta Petty Pickett

Backline battle still on & will come down to Howes V Hore & Disco V Tommo for mine. With May, Lever, Salem, McVee the 🔒 

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Just now, Tolstoys Nudge said:

I think he’ll get a R1 gong & Gus will play in the middle rotating with Rivers as 7th defender. His ball use is just so sublime — opinions of many critics following 1st match sims have sure come round now, welcome aboard! Hunter inj means he’ll likely get his shot, for me he’s a faster Gulden that’s gonna end-up with a bigger frame as well. 
 

Billings & McAdam are also locks, 💯 agree with PF, they were brought in for a specific reason & both have lot missed a beat. 

C: Windsor Rivers Langdon

HF: Billings JVR McAdam

FF: Fritta Petty Pickett

Backline battle still on & will come down to Howes V Hore & Disco V Tommo for mine. With May, Lever, Salem, McVee the 🔒 

Pickett ain't a lock for round 1

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8 hours ago, 58er said:

Salem has trained well enough and while I like Disco in you can’t deny Tommo hasn’t been one of our top 5/10 trainers. 
Reckon both them in 23 and Salo as well with Woe and Chandler out of 23. They don’t deserve not to play but it’s very competitive. Really Sparrow has had a poor but managed pre season and he won’t be left out as a mid vs other half forwards.

We are in a transitional phase and our youth is getting ready for the big stage along with our recruits. Hard work by all. 

Clarry and Petty to add the class at later dates.

Clarry will probably be prime for round 1

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6 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Pickett ain't a lock for round 1

Pickett is suspended for round zero/one

Edited February 4 by durango

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6 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Pickett ain't a lock for round 1

Suspended round 0 but for Rnd 1 Yes he is, he has been in scintellating form!

Edited February 4 by picket fence

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1 hour ago, 58er said:

Jealous because you can’t use alleged. You are supposed to know some info but can’t tell due to your “inner sanctum” situation. No doubt you don’t like it but please don’t make out like it’s not likely to have happened. Think about the Sub not being used when all Dees  fans were screaming for some change. 

Thank you but I’ll forgo thinking about the sub not being used. It’s mentioned on here way too often so I’ve thought about it plenty already.

I’m jealous because I can’t use ‘alleged’? I can use it as much as you do. The difference is I choose not to use it. 

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3 hours ago, picket fence said:

Goodies MOST COSTLY Mistake in coaching was that call which IMV Totally cost us a tilt at the G.F, but that was last year. Let's see if anything changes this year which it should. I'll still maintain that T MAC is cooked. They are now trying him up back, which is about as useful as playing Ravishing Rick Flair's double for all I care, but IMV he is cooked.

I usually get your references PF, but 'Ravishing Rick Flair's double' has me stumped.

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2 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Pickett ain't a lock for round 1

Sorry, yes, of course not — for R0- R1, however whilst I’d happily & ignorantly neglected that point (oops & also, [censored] 😡 — it’s like hearing about it for 1st time again now 🤦‍♂️) however I’m talking more 2024 opening rounds best 22.

 

Insert ANB for Kos for R0 & then come R2  — Billings or Nibbler move to interchange. Simples. But my point is, as I was lambasted for weeks ago, Windsor right in mix & for me would now be odds-on to get a spot, unless we make a late move to Gus for some reason, but then I rkn Windsor still wld be Sub or Emerg, but from what I saw of him Friday, he’s not being left out, no sir! Fwd third of ground is looking REALLY exciting at present, love mixing better kicks through, inc Laurie, Spargo, Kos & looking for Windsor, Salem more often in the front third be it our wide or thru middle. Rivers hit-up kicking will determine for me if he’s able to lock a spot on the mids in-perpetuity — If he shows he’s able to lower eyes & hit up targets unlike Oliver, Viney, Ed & co then it’ll be hard to see him not being there even when the whips are cracking!

Kynan Brown def jumping looks to be jumping queue fast as well & will get a good chance to have a crack with a run of form in VFL and some injuries to smalls — Just doesn’t relent & has great burst-speed, & impacts opp when in-close. Laurie the one for me that has also booked a place on the interchange, lateral movement is just sublime & his hands inside have gone from zero to hero in under 12mths!

I suspect Howes will win the battle vs Hore, but my wildcard might be Hore showing he can play tall & usurping the Disco/Tommo battle. Wildcard only for now, but I look fwd to seeing how things pan out.  
 

McAdam as that link-up option makes our f50 SO much more dangerous as well be able to sweep & hook into f50 & Fritta/Petty can stay deep deep where he can lead & JVR can get some easier ball running back inside 50 instead of always coming out at it being the only link-up target. Exciting!

Edited February 4 by Tolstoys Nudge

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2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

The things one can say and get away with saying just by inserting the magic word.. “alleged”
 

Totally? So it’s this reason alone? 

Well said. Besides that Schache not used reasoning is TOTAL BS, he wasn’t used cus we were having best of it & should’ve waltzed in, until we [censored] the bed & decided we were gonna torment our entire club & supporter base with collective ‘oh-[censored]’ mindset for last 5-7m and numerous incidents that lacked composure m, from Max ruining Clarry goal to Vines not being able to clear 1yr 15m ahead of him! The sub, not being utilised was wrong, odd & silly but did NOT cost us the game, we still should’ve won by 3-4g MIN & not even being playing cus the Pies game was even more of a dominance unrewarded, I mean i50 +32 for a start is astronomical and unheard of for H&A, let alone finals footy!!!

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4 minutes ago, adonski said:

 

That's a bit exciting

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26 minutes ago, Tolstoys Nudge said:

Sorry, yes, of course not — for R0, but is for R1, however whilst I’d happily & ignorantly neglected that I’m talking more 2024 opening rounds best 22

Kossie is suspended for 0 and 1 Rounds in 2024 coming up.

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19 minutes ago, Tolstoys Nudge said:

Well said. Besides that Schache not used reasoning is TOTAL BS, he wasn’t used cus we were having best of it & should’ve waltzed in, until we [censored] the bed & decided we were gonna torment our entire club & supporter base with collective ‘oh-[censored]’ mindset for last 5-7m and numerous incidents that lacked composure m, from Max ruining Clarry goal to Vines not being able to clear 1yr 15m ahead of him! The sub, not being utilised was wrong, odd & silly but did NOT cost us the game, we still should’ve won by 3-4g MIN & not even being playing cus the Pies game was even more of a dominance unrewarded, I mean i50 +32 for a start is astronomical and unheard of for H&A, let alone finals footy!!!

TN you have found 5 other reasons for us losing both Finals and tried to underwhelming ignore the Schache sub fiasco in the middle of your post. Of course there are more reasons than ONE but to say the Subs non use was not a reason we lost is  not even sensible. 

You have made some very good posts recently but this one is a part miss due to the lack of admission of the Coaches decision on the Sub.  

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17 minutes ago, 58er said:

TN you have found 5 other reasons for us losing both Finals and tried to underwhelming ignore the Schache sub fiasco in the middle of your post. Of course there are more reasons than ONE but to say the Subs non use was not a reason we lost is  not even sensible. 

You have made some very good posts recently but this one is a part miss due to the lack of admission of the Coaches decision on the Sub.  

This is one of those things that can't be proven either way.

'Nudge' doesn't believe it cost us and makes good points to back up his reasons.

Why do you think it cost us?

On previous form I'm not sure that Schache was the difference.

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11 minutes ago, 58er said:

TN you have found 5 other reasons for us losing both Finals and tried to underwhelming ignore the Schache sub fiasco in the middle of your post. Of course there are more reasons than ONE but to say the Subs non use was not a reason we lost is  not even sensible. 

You have made some very good posts recently but this one is a part miss due to the lack of admission of the Coaches decision on the Sub.  

That’s cus there IS 5 behind  reasons, there’s 10-12 & the sub issue could be 10 or 11, but it’s certainly not one that’s worth mentioning anywhere near the volume or air time it gets on here, that’s for certain! 

And to have ANYONE other than Goody Himself presume he didn’t use sub cus he was ‘annoyed’ or ‘protesting’ due to being outvoted on match-committee is just absolute salacious nonsense! As I said in my post, it was an error, it was poor judgement but it wasn’t a key reason for the Melbourne FC [censored] the bed, sorry.

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1 hour ago, Left Foot Snap said:

I usually get your references PF, but 'Ravishing Rick Flair's double' has me stumped.

Not a wrestling fan Lefty?