On 22/11/2023 at 13:46, buck_nekkid said:

We wont know for a few year who is any good or is a bust

Yeah grading clubs after the draft is pointless.  No one's really sure what they've bought

I think drafting is like buying a racehorse you only know what you got until it races and gets a little older.

I think drafting is like a box of chocolates. 

You never know what you're gonna get. 

On 22/11/2023 at 07:09, DeeMee said:

Does anyone know where you can watch a replay of the 2 draft nights. Wouldn’t mind watching some of those highlights on Slo Mo.

Fox had that on after Monday and Tuesday. May still have on adding suggest you check Fox Footy 504 on my TV or might be another no. On a different Fox numbering of each station. 

18 hours ago, Deespicable said:

While I agree with you that any suggestion the Pies were worthy of an A when they picked up two later order players who are both regarded as quick movers is a massive suck up to Pies job. They were probably a B, given they gave away their first pick for Schultz who if you have seen him, is a very classy player and will play round 1, unlike many other draft picks. 

But as to what we did, it is hard to get excited.

Windsor and Tholstrup are both quick players and so is Kynan Brown, so we made sure our ageing side is replenished with youthful speed - that's a big tick.

But we completely blundered the trade swapping game - clearly we are missing Josh Mahoney's input here and we all should be querying the role Tim Lamb had in those pick swaps and overall list management.

The first decision to offload picks 14, 22 and 33 to advance up the order and get pick 11 should go down as one of our worst efforts in history. Clearly we thought by having pick 5 and 11 we could get Harley Reid, but it proved a flawed philosophy. Whilst i am quite happy with Tholstrup, we almost certainly could have got him for pick 14 anyway as only Collingwood seemed aware of his talents and their picks was much later. And even if we'd lost out and some club snaffled him at pick 12 and 13, we could have got Leake from Tas and the jury is still out as to which of him and Tholstrup is better.

Then our list manager mucked up how many players we needed on our list (kept Schache, T-Mac and Brown) and that meant we had to offload pick 42 just before the draft for a bag of peanuts.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Saints apparently interested in Tholstrup also. But I do agree the pick swap proved dumb given Leake slid.

Pick 42 was basically worth nothing anyway. The club didn’t rate the talent available.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1068516/inside-the-draft-deals-that-fell-through-saints-cost-eagles-giants-calls

Am i reading it right that GWS would've taken Gothard, Leake, O'Sullivan in that order if they'd kept pick 8? 

Thought all the talk was they'd have taken Windsor.

I think the presumption was that Dees were taking Windsor, so was never looking likely to get to 8.

I do think pace was on the agenda for them, which is why they were very keen on Fonti later on. He might have been their Windsor-lite.

7 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

I think the presumption was that Dees were taking Windsor, so was never looking likely to get to 8.

I do think pace was on the agenda for them, which is why they were very keen on Fonti later on. He might have been their Windsor-lite.

Ah yep that makes sense

"It sets up an interesting alternative draft universe had the Hawks picked Curtin instead of Watson with their first choice. In the ultimate 'What if?' that order (not including bids) would likely have been Reid to the Eagles, McKercher and Duursma to North, Curtin to the Hawks, Sanders to the Dogs and Watson to the Demons. 

Then, the Giants would likely have accepted Melbourne's offer of pick 11 and a future first-rounder for pick seven and the Demons swoop on Windsor, Geelong and Essendon would have still been able to secure O'Sullivan and Caddy and then Wilson could have landed at the Crows."

2 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

I think the presumption was that Dees were taking Windsor, so was never looking likely to get to 8.

I do think pace was on the agenda for them, which is why they were very keen on Fonti later on. He might have been their Windsor-lite.

Is that an actual fact or just based on your own opinion?

15 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Is that an actual fact or just based on your own opinion?

Sorry, just realised I was overly definitive with my wording, that was my gut feel when they selected Fonti on draft night, so was more of my connecting the dots.

Can anyone tell me what Adelaide gave GWS for pick 8?  Is it right that we were offered WCE future 1st for pick 7?

Thanks for any help.

11 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Can anyone tell me what Adelaide gave GWS for pick 8?  Is it right that we were offered WCE future 1st for pick 7?

Thanks for any help.

North Melbourne offered up two picks in the teens, Essendon was willing to part with its future first-rounder or picks 9 and 31, Hawthorn was willing to trade its future first and West Coast had its coveted 2024 first dangling. But Adelaide's offer of picks 10, 14 and a future second-rounder trumped the lot.

 

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/38946365/afl-draft-2023-trades-shaped-first-round-essendon-dodoro-gws-giants-adelaide-crows

Edited November 29, 20231 yr by roy11
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On 23/11/2023 at 23:37, layzie said:

I think drafting is like a box of chocolates. 

You never know what you're gonna get. 

Is that your mama told you?

2 hours ago, roy11 said:

North Melbourne offered up two picks in the teens, Essendon was willing to part with its future first-rounder or picks 9 and 31, Hawthorn was willing to trade its future first and West Coast had its coveted 2024 first dangling. But Adelaide's offer of picks 10, 14 and a future second-rounder trumped the lot.

 

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/38946365/afl-draft-2023-trades-shaped-first-round-essendon-dodoro-gws-giants-adelaide-crows

Thank you.