2024 AFL National Draft prospects: The next batch

[ChaserJ 5,169]

I asked the question, and to Cal’s credit he answered, but without seeing the rules, it feels like we’re missing something given what NGAs are supposed to address:

 

[ChaserJ 5,169]

Sorry, phone was glitching and posted multiple times!

Edited September 11, 2024 by ChaserJ

[ChaserJ 5,169]

Even this NGA explainer doesn’t really make it clearer:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1185092/explained-how-ngas-work-and-what-the-afls-rule-change-means/amp

Edited September 11, 2024 by ChaserJ

[spirit of norm smith 16,615]

9 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

I asked the question, and to Cal’s credit he answered, but without seeing the rules, it feels like we’re missing something given what NGAs are supposed to address:

 

Why wouldn’t a Samoan multicultural background be included ??! It’s bizarre AFL ruling.

example … Cam McKenzie was in Saints NGA as under South African heritage. His dad Rob was born in South Africa and his mum Delia was born in Canada before growing up in South Africa. Rob being born in South Africa meant Mackenzie was eligible to join St Kilda's Next Generation Academy.  He was top 10 quality so the Saints missed out and he was picked by the hawks.  

Dees should seek a change !! Now !!!! Put up some kahunas Mr Pert or get out !!! 
 

Edited September 11, 2024 by spirit of norm smith
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[manny100 1,621]

Evidently the AFL have ruled that Ah-Mu despite having a diverse background does not have a diverse background???

[manny100 1,621]

I hope we seek clarification. The problem may be whilst Samoa has its own language English is widely spoken.  Well i guess is English is widely spoken pretty well every where now.

I think it may be like the AFL free agency compensation. You get what the AFL wants you to get.

I asked co pilot.

In the context of the AFL’s Next Generation Academy (NGA), a “diverse background” refers to players who come from either an Indigenous or multicultural background. Here’s a breakdown:

Indigenous Background

• Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander: Players who identify as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander are considered to have an Indigenous background¹.

Multicultural Background

• Non-English Speaking Country: Players who have at least one parent born in a non-English speaking country are considered to have a multicultural background¹.

 

[Whispering_Jack 31,131]

Davo-27's September Top 60 (I have no idea as to how his colour scheme works)

1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh - 182cm
2. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh - 181cm
3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham (Bris FS) - 179cm
4. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A - 178cm
5. Harry Armstrong - Sand - 194cm
6. Sid Draper - Sth Adel - 180cm
7. Josh Smillie - Eastern - 194cm
8. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo - 187cm
9. Luke Trainor - Sandringham - 194cm
10. Taj Hotton - Sandringham - 182cm (acl injury)
11. Sam Lalor - GWV - 187cm
12. Harvey Langford - Dandenong - 190cm
13. Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo - 194cm
14. Joe Berry - Murray - 180cm
15. Isaac Kako - Calder (Ess NGA) - 175cm
16. Murphy Reid - Sandringham - 180cm
17. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland - 183cm
18. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg (Carl FS) - 186cm
19. Kayle Gerreyn - West Perth - 199cm
20. Cooper Hynes - Dandenong - 190cm
21. Tyler Welsh - WWT (Adel FS)- 191cm
22. Harry O'Farrell - Calder - 196cm
23. Jonty Faull - GWV - 195cm
24. Josh Murphy - Murray - 190cm
25. Bo Allan - Peel - 191cm
26. Thomas Sims - Northern - 199cm
27. Xavier Ivisic - Geelong - 180cm
28. Luke Urquhart - East Frem - 190cm
29. Jack Whitlock - Murray - 200cm
30. Christian Moraes - Eastern - 183cm
31. Malakai Champion - Subiaco (WCE NGA) - 172cm
32. Matt Whitlock - Murray - 200cm
33. Alex Dodson - Sth Adel - 203cm
34. Evan Bradley - Nth Adel - 174cm
35. Charlie Nicholls - Cent Dist 197cm
36. Alix Tauru - Gippsland - 191cm
37. Jack Ough - GWV - 194cm
38. Hugh Boxshall - Clare - 187cm
39. Sam Marshall - Sandringham (Bris A) - 185cm
40. Harrison Oliver - Sandringham - 181cm
41. Jasper Alger - Oakleigh -182cm
42. Tom Gross - Oakleigh - 181cm
43. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg (Carl FS) - 185cm
44. Hamish Davis - Clare - 190cm
45. Jesse Dattoli - Northern - 179cm
46. Benny Barrett - Sth Adel (Port NGA) - 175cm
47. Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo - 186cm
48. Oliver Depaoli-Kubank - Tas - 178cm
49. Adrian Cole - Sandringham (StK NGA) - 195cm
50. Doug Kerr - Oakleigh (acl injury/Coll NGA) - 192cm
51. Rhys Unwin - GWV - 178cm
52. Josaia Delana - GWS A - 174cm
53. Zak Johnson - Northern - 185cm
54. Phoenix Hargrave - Sth Adel - 182cm
55. Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh - 186cm
56. Lucas McInerney - Northern - 180cm
57. Josh Dolan - Sandringham - 177cm
58. Charlie Burke - Subiaco - 183cm
59. Logan Smith - GWS A - 204cm
60. Angus Clarke - Glenlg - 188cm

[manny100 1,621]

39 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Davo-27's September Top 60 (I have no idea as to how his colour scheme works)

1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh - 182cm
2. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh - 181cm
3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham (Bris FS) - 179cm
4. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A - 178cm
5. Harry Armstrong - Sand - 194cm
6. Sid Draper - Sth Adel - 180cm
7. Josh Smillie - Eastern - 194cm
8. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo - 187cm
9. Luke Trainor - Sandringham - 194cm
10. Taj Hotton - Sandringham - 182cm (acl injury)
11. Sam Lalor - GWV - 187cm
12. Harvey Langford - Dandenong - 190cm
13. Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo - 194cm
14. Joe Berry - Murray - 180cm
15. Isaac Kako - Calder (Ess NGA) - 175cm
16. Murphy Reid - Sandringham - 180cm
17. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland - 183cm
18. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg (Carl FS) - 186cm
19. Kayle Gerreyn - West Perth - 199cm
20. Cooper Hynes - Dandenong - 190cm
21. Tyler Welsh - WWT (Adel FS)- 191cm
22. Harry O'Farrell - Calder - 196cm
23. Jonty Faull - GWV - 195cm
24. Josh Murphy - Murray - 190cm
25. Bo Allan - Peel - 191cm
26. Thomas Sims - Northern - 199cm
27. Xavier Ivisic - Geelong - 180cm
28. Luke Urquhart - East Frem - 190cm
29. Jack Whitlock - Murray - 200cm
30. Christian Moraes - Eastern - 183cm
31. Malakai Champion - Subiaco (WCE NGA) - 172cm
32. Matt Whitlock - Murray - 200cm
33. Alex Dodson - Sth Adel - 203cm
34. Evan Bradley - Nth Adel - 174cm
35. Charlie Nicholls - Cent Dist 197cm
36. Alix Tauru - Gippsland - 191cm
37. Jack Ough - GWV - 194cm
38. Hugh Boxshall - Clare - 187cm
39. Sam Marshall - Sandringham (Bris A) - 185cm
40. Harrison Oliver - Sandringham - 181cm
41. Jasper Alger - Oakleigh -182cm
42. Tom Gross - Oakleigh - 181cm
43. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg (Carl FS) - 185cm
44. Hamish Davis - Clare - 190cm
45. Jesse Dattoli - Northern - 179cm
46. Benny Barrett - Sth Adel (Port NGA) - 175cm
47. Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo - 186cm
48. Oliver Depaoli-Kubank - Tas - 178cm
49. Adrian Cole - Sandringham (StK NGA) - 195cm
50. Doug Kerr - Oakleigh (acl injury/Coll NGA) - 192cm
51. Rhys Unwin - GWV - 178cm
52. Josaia Delana - GWS A - 174cm
53. Zak Johnson - Northern - 185cm
54. Phoenix Hargrave - Sth Adel - 182cm
55. Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh - 186cm
56. Lucas McInerney - Northern - 180cm
57. Josh Dolan - Sandringham - 177cm
58. Charlie Burke - Subiaco - 183cm
59. Logan Smith - GWS A - 204cm
60. Angus Clarke - Glenlg - 188cm

Interesting, KPF at 5 and we have a choice of a few good mids at the effective pick 7.

Edited September 12, 2024 by manny100
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[manny100 1,621]

Depending on what we see is available next year i would not be surprised if we traded our future 1st back into this draft.

Given that Ah-Mu is now off the 'books' we make look at a tall with a traded back future 1st given that both TmC and May are heading towards the sunset.

[whatwhat say what 23,423]

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Davo-27's September Top 60 (I have no idea as to how his colour scheme works)
 

my best guess...

• blue for northern academy
• red for sa
• yellow for wa

i thought it might be bold for vic country but that doesn't seem to be the case...

[DeeSpencer 26,269]

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

my best guess...

• blue for northern academy
• red for sa
• yellow for wa

i thought it might be bold for vic country but that doesn't seem to be the case...

Blue is Allies not just academies. Shanahan for instance isn’t an academy eligible player. And Tassie guys.

Bold is Vic Country. Dandy players can play for country and FOS is from the bush just plays for Oakleigh. 

[whatwhat say what 23,423]

18 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Blue is Allies not just academies. Shanahan for instance isn’t an academy eligible player. And Tassie guys.

Bold is Vic Country. Dandy players can play for country and FOS is from the bush just plays for Oakleigh. 

makes sense

[Adam The God 30,602]

No way Jack Whitlock goes that late. I'd nab him with the Nibbler pick if he did go that late.

[Pennant St Dee 13,389]

1 hour ago, Adam The God said:

No way Jack Whitlock goes that late. I'd nab him with the Nibbler pick if he did go that late.

There’s also no way Gerreyn goes before Hamish Davis or Bo Allan. Hugh Boxshall coming into calculations after a big game in last week’s semi final of the WAFL Colts.

Charlie Burke may have to take the long route similar to Priddis and Tim Kelly but the kid has great work rate and attitude.

Tom Bell and Clancy Dennis 2 KPDs who will be looked at 

Edited September 12, 2024 by Pennant St Dee

[spirit of norm smith 16,615]

51 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

There’s also no way Gerreyn goes before Hamish Davis or Bo Allan. Hugh Boxshall coming into calculations after a big game in last week’s semi final of the WAFL Colts.

Charlie Burke may have to take the long route similar to Priddis and Tim Kelly but the kid has great work rate and attitude.

Tom Bell and Clancy Dennis 2 KPDs who will be looked at 

Yes prefer my phantom draft over this one. 
Agree @Pennant St Deethat Boxshall might have got a few recruiters to notice him after the weekend game and is now on recruiters boards. He a strong midfielder with good skills and tackles hard.  I only saw him v Vic metro and Vic country.  Liked his contested work. He had limited time at CBA but competed hard against Langford and Hynes.  Maybe still a 4th round pick imv or rookie.  

[manny100 1,621]

List of VFL/AFL players with international backgrounds - Wikipedia

Bit of a joke. How many non Academy  multi cultural players are from the Pacific Islands - none. See  Wiki list above.

From the AFL ruling you would think it was common. No encouragement from the AFL it seems.

The Dees should request a review of the decision.

 

[old55 23,833]

23 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

Sorry, phone was glitching and posted multiple times!

Probably CIA interference after you name checked Taliban Abdul.

[ChaserJ 5,169]

1 hour ago, old55 said:

Probably CIA interference after you name checked Taliban Abdul.

Poor Abdul gets a bad rap.

[Pennant St Dee 13,389]

5 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes prefer my phantom draft over this one. 
Agree @Pennant St Deethat Boxshall might have got a few recruiters to notice him after the weekend game and is now on recruiters boards. He a strong midfielder with good skills and tackles hard.  I only saw him v Vic metro and Vic country.  Liked his contested work. He had limited time at CBA but competed hard against Langford and Hynes.  Maybe still a 4th round pick imv or rookie.  

Hugh has more upside than Urquart IMO, but his kicking is very poor, for AFL level but improving.  Absolute bull, with a huge tank and is fearless.

Tackles with intensity and repeated efforts are exceptional. Well worth a late pick for any side

 

[The Jackson FIX 3,371]

On 26/11/2023 at 08:04, Chelly said:

My early top 10 for next year

1. Finn O'Sullivan - 181cm Vic Country 
2. Levi Ashcroft - 179cm Vic Metro (Lions F/S)
3. Sid Draper - 180cm South Australia 
4. Josh Smillie - 194cm Vic Metro 
5. Leonardo Lombard - 178cm Allies (Suns Academy) 
6. Tyler Welsh - 191 cm South Australia  (Crows F/S)
7. Jagga Smith - 181cm Vic Metro 
8. Christian Moraes - 182cm Vic Metro 
9. Tom Gross - 182cm Vic Metro 
10. Ben Camporeale - 184cm South Australia  (Carlton F/S)

This suggests that we should be looking forward to more bidding for academy and father/sons but not to the scale extent that we saw in last week’s draft.

Where is Ben Camporeale rated now? 

[Kent 2,918]

13 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Where is Ben Camporeale rated now? 

Any body seen Smillie play Love his size could be Jackson replacement?

[layzie 34,326]

17 hours ago, Adam The God said:

No way Jack Whitlock goes that late. I'd nab him with the Nibbler pick if he did go that late.

Would his brother be worth nabbing around that mark Adam?

[Colm 2,189]

12 minutes ago, layzie said:

Would his brother be worth nabbing around that mark Adam?

Assume @dazzledavey36 would have a bit of knowledge about them both. 

[Nascent 9,320]

2 hours ago, Kent said:

Any body seen Smillie play Love his size could be Jackson replacement?

He's a big inside mid with average athleticism at best. Can kick though.

[spirit of norm smith 16,615]

2 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Where is Ben Camporeale rated now? 

Ben Camporeale is in the 12-18 range.  He’s going to be a very very good pickup for Blues.  (His brother Lucas at about 45/48). 

Here was my phantom section 11 to 20 from last week. 

11. Murphy Reid - Sandringham
12. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo

13. Harry Armstrong - Sandringham
14. Taj Hotton - Sandringham 

15.  Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo (NSW) 

16. ***Blues match bid. Ben Camporeale - Glenelg SA ( father son)

17. Bo Allan - WA
18.***Lions match bid. Sam Marshall - Bris Lions academy

19. Joe Berry - Murray

20. Alix Tauru - Gippsland