On 08/09/2023 at 22:08, Demons11 said:

Under pressure from finishing top 4, 3 years straight and winning a Premiership.  Mate please 

How do you finish Top 4 if you don’t make a Preliminary Final ?

No to two rucks. We are better just with Gawn even though TMac was poor.

Rivers into the midfield and Turner into defence. 

Petracca more forward with Van Rooyen out.

Jordon for Brayshaw. 

Woewodin to be sub. Laurie isn’t AFL standard. 

Edited September 8, 20231 yr by Fat Tony

  On 08/09/2023 at 22:55, Kent said:

Salem is a shadow of his former self

Love the idea of The Riv going forward

And so is Langdon 

Can someone with more HP knowledge and / or inside club knowledge please enlighten me...

Pre match we always seem to do a fair chunk of our warm up doing multiple 50 meter sprints (or so).

I don't see other clubs doing this so much.  More kicking for goal, bag work with the followers in the middle practicing their craft.

Sure all teams are also warming up as they run onto the field and no doubt stretching / getting their feet working inside the rooms including HB drills, short kicking drills etc.

But i can't recall any other teams than us (at the pre bounce warm up) doing these multiple sprints.

Any chance this is having a negative effect on our starts at all??  We are so often slow out of the blocks and wondering if we've spent too much energy too early doing these drills.

Was this happening under Burgess in 2021?

Anyone??

Edited September 8, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

  On 08/09/2023 at 23:22, YearOfTheDees said:

Surprised by the opening odds quote for this game, expected a 50/50 $1.90 each opening. I do how ever expect us the belt them, just hope I'm right. 

Like I said before the finals - the way we move the ball, enter the forward line, and the lack of forward craft and structure down there means that we just won’t ‘belt’ good teams. Unless Carlton don’t show up, expect another low scoring slog. We won’t be out of the game, but neither will they - we just are not efficient enough. Look at the Inevitable Premiers of 2023 Collingwood; we have smashed them twice and won by 4 points and lost by 7.

Edited September 8, 20231 yr by rpfc

One tactical change I think we need to make is to deliberately kick more torpedoes inside a crowded 50. Even a bad miss kick is better than a drop punt to Weitering. 

  On 08/09/2023 at 23:15, buck_nekkid said:

AMW to the forward line, Kosi to the guts to replace Angus

grundy in for JVR- max forward, grundy i the ruck 70/30

TMac holds his spot.(just)

chandler under pressure from Spargo.

turner a possible in for hibbo depending how he pulls up.

Laurie not sub, maybe giver Woey a crack.

3 first choice key forwards not available.  Dry conditions forecast. With our crowded forward 50, maybe we need something different, instead of ‘kick it to Darcy Moore’ strategy from Pies game

Tmac holds because the cupboard is empty. How many times this year when bought back in has he failed? All of them. 

Laurie was a huge error from Goody.  Maybe if he came on as fresh legs in the last 15 mins ok.

But we were exposed to what the sub is really for and a kid with 5 games played a whole qf and no surprises only touched the ball 5 times. Not his fault. He's just starting. Hardly like for like for Gus though.

Chandler should have been dropped 6 games ago. I can only surmise Spargo wasn't smashing it at Casey.

Don't know enough about AMW but Grundy will come in as last man standing for Jvr.

We lack depth.

Anyone for Salem?

Edited September 8, 20231 yr by leave it to deever

No McKay means the backline stays unchanged.  I'd expect Silvagni might come in and Motlop will replace Martin. Those Carlton smalls are their biggest weapon.  Need to pay Acres some respect as well.  He's a very decent footballer. Hunter probably plays his wing.  Langdon really struggled on Sidebottom.  I'd go something like this:

McVee May Hibberd

Salem Lever Rivers

Langdon Oliver Hunter

Neal-Bullen Petracca Chandler

Pickett McDonald Fritsch

Gawn Viney Sparrow

Grundy Jordon Bowey Smith

Spargo sub

Whilst Grundy was pretty poor last time we played Carlton, the conditions weren't great for big men.  Weather is supposed to be completely different come Friday night and good big men stand up in September. Pittonet and De Koning are a better pairing than the Collingwood spud rucks.  Gives us midfield rotation not dissimilar to when Oliver was out.  I reckon we have them covered.  

  On 08/09/2023 at 23:36, Fat Tony said:

. Laurie isn’t AFL standard

Goody brainfade to make him sub in such a big game.  And then we had to play him. 

The more I’ve thought about it, the more I suspect they won’t bring Grundy back in. I just don’t reckon Goody will drop TMac after one game. They’ll replace Van Rooyen with Turner or Schache (Schache was preferred more recently against Hawthorn and only played half a quarter as sub from memory). Grundy can only play one position, the position that is not available and won’t be made available through any readjustment. I think the club is happy for Grundy to be looking elsewhere and the disconnect from both parties is probably already final.

We simply don’t have the forwards to win against Carlton. Expect another straight sets exit. The upside I won’t have to listen to the morons from Carringbush. 

Edited September 9, 20231 yr by old dee

  On 08/09/2023 at 23:48, Fat Tony said:

One tactical change I think we need to make is to deliberately kick more torpedoes inside a crowded 50. Even a bad miss kick is better than a drop punt to Weitering. 

Just go for the point. If we kicked a point for every entry inside 50 - we would have won by more than a goal.

  On 08/09/2023 at 23:58, old dee said:

We simply don’t have the forward to win against Carlton. Expect another straight sets exit. 

Come on Old Dee, we’re playing excellent football everywhere except the front third. A couple of tweaks and we’ll win the flag. 

  On 08/09/2023 at 23:36, Fat Tony said:

No to two rucks. We are better just with Gawn even though TMac was poor.

Rivers into the midfield and Turner into defence. 

Petracca more forward with Van Rooyen out.

Jordon for Brayshaw. 

Woewodin to be sub. Laurie isn’t AFL standard. 

Who do you suppose goes second Ruck  when Gawn is resting? Oliver???

Laughable 

Edited September 9, 20231 yr by bandicoot

  On 09/09/2023 at 00:04, Fat Tony said:

Come on Old Dee, we’re playing excellent football everywhere except the front third. A couple of tweaks and we’ll win the flag. 

Thanks for tge optimism.  I think this will be another close one. 

I'm not sure we are playing excellent footy elsewhere. 

Our slow starts with our mids v Pies  was very poor.

We have been caught napping in the first quarter for quite a few games now.

Credit to the fightbacks but what is going on with them. Last game was another bridge too far unfortunately although with Gus we probably would have won.

We will probably roll the Blues but Fritta will have to turn it on. And Kozzie.

  On 08/09/2023 at 23:57, Glorious Day said:

The more I’ve thought about it, the more I suspect they won’t bring Grundy back in. I just don’t reckon Goody will drop TMac after one game. They’ll replace Van Rooyen with Turner or Schache (Schache was preferred more recently against Hawthorn and only played half a quarter as sub from memory). Grundy can only play one position, the position that is not available and won’t be made available through any readjustment. I think the club is happy for Grundy to be looking elsewhere and the disconnect from both parties is probably already final.

You actually think schache provides more than an AA backup ruckman? 

  On 08/09/2023 at 10:52, DeeZone said:

Harmsey did his hammy this morning in the scratch match against Carlton reserves.

Any spare Redheads lying around? Expected Josh the ‘Shack’ to burn the house down in the scratch match. Given he’s last tall forward available.

Edited September 9, 20231 yr by Tarax Club
Pyromaniac edit

  On 08/09/2023 at 12:41, Demongirl35 said:

Out: Roo Gus Laurie (sub)

In: grundy, spargo Jordan (sub) 

Spargo comes in to get kozzy more into the midfield and let Trac spend more time inside 50 

 

Agree on changes, but I reckon we go in small. Smith can play a defensive role on Weitering, McDonald plays as traditional tall and Fritsch can float. Petracca to spend 50% time at half forward.. think it creates a lot of challenges for Carlton’s backline. Jordan straight swap for Brayshaw (reckon Jordan should’ve been sub already), and Grundy can be sub as a break glass in case of emergency situation

  On 09/09/2023 at 00:04, Fat Tony said:

Come on Old Dee, we’re playing excellent football everywhere except the front third. A couple of tweaks and we’ll win the flag. 

My worry is that our midfield dominance, particularly in second halves, is unsustainable. We can't be relying on sheer number of i50s game after game.  One of these weeks we are going to be well beaten around the ball, and with our forward efficiency it might get ugly. 

If Trac has to play forward more, our midfield depth is very vulnerable this week against Walsh, Cerra etc.  I'd def play Grundy this week, we need to be as fresh and big bodied around the ball as possible.  Thanks to the maker that McKay and Martin are out this week for them. 

Btw, melb vs Carlton will be played on Saturday night. Collingwood earn the right to play their prelim on Friday night giving them an extra day rest. their opponent won’t be coming off a 6 day break therefore they have to play on Friday a week out from prelim. 

  On 08/09/2023 at 22:10, ElDiablo14 said:

So are we comfortable with one Premiership out of this group?

It's my view that GF or PF is the least we should expect from the talent this team has.

We didn’t win a premiership for 50 years and now you want to sack coaches because he may not win it this year.   Of course I would love another flag but you are not sacking a coach if they don’t.  Let me know when you come back to reality

  On 08/09/2023 at 22:27, dees189227 said:

Woewodin offers more than Laurie and probably Chandler.

Selections going to be interesting 

Have been curious to his omission.  He's got a bit of dare and urgency... we could use that. He was getting better the more he played....i thought.

Time to roll the dice a bit..

  On 08/09/2023 at 22:12, bandicoot said:

Who do you suppose plays second ruck?

T Mac has done it before 

  On 09/09/2023 at 00:17, bandicoot said:

You actually think schache provides more than an AA backup ruckman? 

Re-read my post again. We aren’t picking a bloke solely to play as a 5-10 minute-a-quarter relief ruckman when that’s all they can do. So yes, Schache or TMac will be that relief ruckman, just like Van Rooyen has been. 

  On 08/09/2023 at 22:18, praha said:

Going out in straight sets is quite rare. We'd have been better offer winning an Elimination final. Instead we're staring down losing 4 finals in a row at the MCG. After being favourites in all of them. We've been gifted a run to at least the Prelim three years running. And choked in two of them. 

We finished 4th this year and lost to the top side but you are telling me we were gifted a run into the prelim?