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We played half a season without Oliver and finished top 4.  Brayshaw covered Oliver, now Oliver covers Brayshaw.  We go back to basically the same midfield we've had for half a season.  Our key forwards have been non existent all season - other than a very brief cameo from Petty.  Still most weeks we've found a way.  Wholesale change and panic moves at this time of the year almost never work. Our best bet is to play McDonald and Smith along with Fritsch, Petracca and the smalls - Pickett, ANB and Chandler/Spargo and then have Gawn and Grundy moving through there in short bursts each quarter - probably when McDonald comes off.  Nothing too radical - the catastophizing can come after the game if it needs to.  I still believe our best is more than good enough to beat everyone left in it.  And after tonight, everyone is down to their last chance, including Collingwood.  

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1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The radical move is Max to the TMac position and Grundy to ruck… Max should not kick unless he has to.

In big Finals there has on occasion been unexpected selection/positional moves which have blindsided the opposition. (BMT of course!) Jack Mueller’s recall in ‘48 is the stuff of football legend. Max has goal kicking form in finals, who could forget the ‘21 Preliminary final where he gave the sCats five of the best?

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1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

Waffle, we’re not playing May forward and I’m almost certain Tomlinson won’t play. We play tough, hard football every week. If you haven’t seen that already I can’t help you. 

Yeah, but in the past 3 finals, playing tough hard football hasn't got us anywhere! We cannot go with the same team this week, or it is all over. If you can't see that, I can't help you!

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1 hour ago, fr_ap said:

? We lost most key stats to the blues when we lost to them. They play a similiar profile to us. Kicking straight is a start but won't be enough. 

Kick straight, stop Curnow, win clearance, and negate Weitering. That would do the job.

I'm with ya. And find a forward who can clunk a few. And it ain't Max, Grundy or TMac, so who is it?

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9 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

Yeah, but in the past 3 finals, playing tough hard football hasn't got us anywhere! We cannot go with the same team this week, or it is all over. If you can't see that, I can't help you!

Firstly, you implied we hadn't be playing tough, hard football which is rubbish. Secondly we were carrying multiple injuries to some of our best players last year, plus it's last year, so hardly relevant. We'll lose JVR, likely for Grundy, which in all honesty, is a pretty damn fine swap. Don't forget Grundy's a bloody good footballer. We've lost Brayshaw and JJ is an adequate replacement. Lower the eyes, kick straight, don't panic. In all honesty I think those early goals to Collingwood and losing Brayshaw to a concussion through us off. By mid way through the second we were on top, sadly we couldn't get it done. You can run around yelling the sky is falling flapping your arms or you can knuckle down and win 3 games of football. I reckon I know what the club will do but hey after the first half of last night I was thinking Carlton will floor us so what would I know?

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3 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Firstly, you implied we hadn't be playing tough, hard football which is rubbish. Secondly we were carrying multiple injuries to some of our best players last year, plus it's last year, so hardly relevant. We'll lose JVR, likely for Grundy, which in all honesty, is a pretty damn fine swap. Don't forget Grundy's a bloody good footballer. We've lost Brayshaw and JJ is an adequate replacement. Lower the eyes, kick straight, don't panic. In all honesty I think those early goals to Collingwood and losing Brayshaw to a concussion through us off. By mid way through the second we were on top, sadly we couldn't get it done. You can run around yelling the sky is falling flapping your arms or you can knuckle down and win 3 games of football. I reckon I know what the club will do but hey after the first half of last night I was thinking Carlton will floor us so what would I know?

Don't get me wrong, I was certainly not implying that we aren't tough. And if the Maynard action threw us off guard, return serve. Grundy as a forward isn't the answer, nor is Max. So selecting Grundy would be a huge mistake IMO. But on a warm dry September night we need a big marking forward

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2 hours ago, DubDee said:

T Mac stays in. missed 3 months and came in for a fierce contest. he’ll come good

Trac to play 80% fwd plus Fritsch will have to do. 

Unfortunately whenever we've played Tmac over the past 12 months he hasn't offered more than he did Thursday night , wouldn't be expecting much improvement.

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1 hour ago, bandicoot said:

Carlton play Walsh, Cripps, cera and Hewitt out of the middle. 
we play viney, trac and Oliver. Brayshaw was our 4th. Not sure who does this job now? Sparrow?

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4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He wasn't there to take Nibblerd spot bin.

Right now he'd be competing with Chandler and Spargo. On form alone this year he's ahead of both.

Sorry dazzler  that's not the case.

As jordon Lewis literally just said on the pre giants saints coverage - Bedford is playing the 'critical high half forward role', going on to describe the challenge of covering such players eg di you follow them up the ground etc.

I have mutiple gws people explicitly say Bedford was recruited for the 'high half forward' role

That is nibbler's role. It is a distinct role from the small, speed forward role that koz and candler play (though Chandler has had to plsy a bit of a hybrid role)

Its also spargo's role, amd i agree he be competing with him. And would be in the team too.

Only players with elite aerobic capacity can plsy the role to nibbler's level. Bedford has that capacity and has been brilliant tgis year. I wish we could have kept him

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15 minutes ago, binman said:

Sorry dazzler  that's not the case.

As jordon Lewis literally just said on the pre giants saints coverage - Bedford is playing the 'critical high half forward role', going on to describe the challenge of covering such players eg di you follow them up the ground etc.

I have mutiple gws people explicitly say Bedford was recruited for the 'high half forward' role

That is nibbler's role. It is a distinct role from the small, speed forward role that koz and candler play (though Chandler has had to plsy a bit of a hybrid role)

Its also spargo's role, amd i agree he be competing with him. And would be in the team too.

Only players with elite aerobic capacity can plsy the role to nibbler's level. Bedford has that capacity and has been brilliant tgis year. I wish we could have kept him

We’d still be better off with Bedford over Chandler. That was as clear last year as it is now. In saying that I’m not overly disappointed as both are now best 22 in finals teams.

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5 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

We’d still be better off with Bedford over Chandler. That was as clear last year as it is now. In saying that I’m not overly disappointed as both are now best 22 in finals teams.

I 100% agree.

We wanted to keep bedford and i wish we did.

Leaving aside role. Bedford offers something we sorely lack - pure leg speed, both from standing start and over say 150 metres.

He has serious wheels - faster than nibbler, Koz and Chin

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6 minutes ago, binman said:

I 100% agree.

We wanted to keep bedford and i wish we did.

Leaving aside role. Bedford offers something we sorely lack - pure leg speed, both from standing start and over say 150 metres.

He has serious wheels - faster than nibbler, Koz and Chin

I don’t think it’s left us with a deficiency in that area though. My concerns lie with the drop off of Salem and Langdon. I also actually think we’re going to be pretty strong forward of the ball once Petty is back.

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1 hour ago, Tarax Club said:

In big Finals there has on occasion been unexpected selection/positional moves which have blindsided the opposition. (BMT of course!) Jack Mueller’s recall in ‘48 is the stuff of football legend. Max has goal kicking form in finals, who could forget the ‘21 Preliminary final where he gave the sCats five of the best?

You do realise 2 were taken directly out of the ruck and another was a handball receive from centre clearance.

Max is not a forward he’s still the best ruck in the comp and you don’t stray from that

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If we lose Friday we'll be the first team ever to go out in straight sets in consecutive years. Hawthorn went out in straight sets in 2016 and 2018 but missed finals in 2017.

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On 9/7/2023 at 10:20 PM, Mickey said:

Jumping the gun a bit. Should be SF, not PF.

 

TMac and Hibbo out. Grundy and Tommo in. Tommo isn't great, but we need to get the three talls down back

Reckon Wowy in, he’s much better than Laurie, who by the way is not an AFL footballer, and in my opinion never will be, Wowoedin in Grundy in, Schache in for TMac, JJ as sub

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