1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Or draft Curtin with our pick and trade him back to WA for Reid in 2 years. That way it only costs you one pick and we can trade up to get other good players.

But then Reid is on an open market, any VIC team could bid for him.

2 hours ago, BangBnagBang said:

 

My concern is we need to guarantee WCE can get Curtain if thats who they want. Pick 4 doesn't do that. Esp with Haw with Frost coming to end, DGB not really working so far and Sicilly not big KP size. Therefore can we get 2 off North. Pick 2 would be a lot more tempting for WCE than 4 as it grantees they get there man.

could we swap 4 15 23 to North for 2 & 17

then swap 2 & 17 to WCE for pick 1

or something similar???

why the 2nd step?

if we have 2 and weagles 1 then we both have our man (and we get to keep 17)

would have to be sure weagles wouldn't do the dirty but we'd have a pretty good idea if they really want curtin.

My god, Sumich is so full of excrement it's mind blowing how these people have jobs in the media.

18 year old key forward plays in reserves to improve football ability rather than getting thrown to the wolves.....

Then imagine we did play him last year, would just say oh the mishandling of van Rooyen for playing him too early.... 

2 hours ago, Palace Dees said:

No it's not. The Premier gets last pick, no matter where they finished at the end of the home and away and so on. The final order is post finals. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-2022-afl-draft-20221115-p5byco.html

that age article is very contradictory. i would need further proof

i still think it is home and away final ladder position (premiers being "minor premiers'.)

i've never seen the ladder updated during finals

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How is the order of the draft determined?

 

The order is determined by the ladder from the previous season. The team at the bottom of the ladder gets the No.1 pick, while the premiers get the lowest first-round pick, No.18.

 

5 hours ago, dice said:

Great player Suma but he has been eating too many of his hallucinogenic peppers from his veggie business:

https://thewest.com.au/sport/west-coast-eagles/peter-sumich-west-coast-eagles-could-target-melbourne-demons-jacob-van-rooyen-and-brodie-grundy-c-11391478

 

 

Lol.

He signed a 2 year contract extension to remain with us until at least the end of 2025 in that very same year. Seems footy personalities can just make up whatever they want these days. Nothing new there I guess.

2 hours ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

If the Eagles want JvR then they'll have to give us pick 1. Straight swap

Yeah no. There are no quality KPF’s available in this years draft that aren’t already allocated to other teams (GC in particular).

Only Oscar Allen coming to us would tempt me, even then I’d stick fat with Roo.

20 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

that age article is very contradictory. i would need further proof

i still think it is home and away final ladder position

The article is indeed confusing dc, but this is how it works.

*  The ten teams missing the finals have their finishing position established at the end of H & A.

*  The eight finalists are ranked and their final finishing position is based on their finals performance.

*   For example, the lowest ranked losing Elimination Finalist is deemed to have finished eighth, even though their pre-finals ladder position may have been sixth or seventh.

*  The Premier is deemed to have finished first (pick 18) and the runner-up second (pick 17), ignoring any priority picks or other shenanigans.

*  It is possible, although highly unlikely, for a team to finish H & A in eighth spot, win four finals in a row and end up with the last pick of each round.

*  Melbourne's ultimate ranking in 2022 was fifth, even though we finished H & A in second spot.  This is because we were the highest ranked team to lose in semi-final week (week 2).

6 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

The article is indeed confusing dc, but this is how it works.

*  The ten teams missing the finals have their finishing position established at the end of H & A.

*  The eight finalists are ranked and their final finishing position is based on their finals performance.

*   For example, the lowest ranked losing Elimination Finalist is deemed to have finished eighth, even though their pre-finals ladder position may have been sixth or seventh.

*  The Premier is deemed to have finished first (pick 18) and the runner-up second (pick 17), ignoring any priority picks or other shenanigans.

*  It is possible, although highly unlikely, for a team to finish H & A in eighth spot, win four finals in a row and end up with the last pick of each round.

*  Melbourne's ultimate ranking in 2022 was fifth, even though we finished H & A in second spot.  This is because we were the highest ranked team to lose in semi-final week (week 2).

thanks, ds.  i wonder why google couldn't find that. maybe need to hone up on chatgpt

11 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

The article is indeed confusing dc, but this is how it works.

*  The ten teams missing the finals have their finishing position established at the end of H & A.

*  The eight finalists are ranked and their final finishing position is based on their finals performance.

*   For example, the lowest ranked losing Elimination Finalist is deemed to have finished eighth, even though their pre-finals ladder position may have been sixth or seventh.

*  The Premier is deemed to have finished first (pick 18) and the runner-up second (pick 17), ignoring any priority picks or other shenanigans.

*  It is possible, although highly unlikely, for a team to finish H & A in eighth spot, win four finals in a row and end up with the last pick of each round.

*  Melbourne's ultimate ranking in 2022 was fifth, even though we finished H & A in second spot.  This is because we were the highest ranked team to lose in semi-final week (week 2).

Just to clarify on the finalist finishing positions.

Is it essentially the ladder carries over from the h&a season and the team with the highest points (percentage if the same) the deciding factor?

Or is it like a new ladder starts for finals and goes straight to percentage based on each finals result?

Edit: obviously elimination finals decide picks 11 and 12, semi decides 13 and 14, prelim 15 and 16.

Edited July 27, 20231 yr by Nascent

Any opinions on how the rumoured Ben McKay compo might change things re moving up order for their pick, or North going for Reid ?

North getting pick 2 and 3 might be the "priority pick" the AFL throws their way so they don't have to deal with the actual PP process. And I wouldn't begrudge it, given we got Brayshaw from the Frawley compo.

5 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Is it essentially the ladder carries over from the h&a season and the team with the highest points (percentage if the same) the deciding factor?

Or is it like a new ladder starts for finals and goes straight to percentage based on each finals result?

Yes, the finalists' rankings from 1 to 8 are based on ladder position at the end of H & A.

Percentage plays no part after the end of H & A.

4 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Any opinions on how the rumoured Ben McKay compo might change things re moving up order for their pick, or North going for Reid ?

North getting pick 2 and 3 might be the "priority pick" the AFL throws their way so they don't have to deal with the actual PP process. And I wouldn't begrudge it, given we got Brayshaw from the Frawley compo.

As other have stated Frawley was a better player than McKay. It looks like the AFL is going to look after North anyways. The question now is will they give them pick 3 and access to Sanders. Effectively two top 10 picks.This would greatly compromise the top end of this draft and our pick 4( hopefully).  
They already have traded out an early second round pick from this draft that was given to them last year. 

 

8 minutes ago, Colm said:

As other have stated Frawley was a better player than McKay. It looks like the AFL is going to look after North anyways. The question now is will they give them pick 3 and access to Sanders. Effectively two top 10 picks.This would greatly compromise the top end of this draft and our pick 4( hopefully).  
They already have traded out an early second round pick from this draft that was given to them last year. 

 

better has nada to do with it tho

it all comes down to $$s, contract length, and age of the player

and the vibe

mostly the vibe

1 minute ago, Colm said:

As other have stated Frawley was a better player than McKay. It looks like the AFL is going to look after North anyways. The question now is will they give them pick 3 and access to Sanders. Effectively two top 10 picks.This would greatly compromise the top end of this draft and our pick 4( hopefully).  
They already have traded out an early second round pick from this draft that was given to them last year. 

 

McKay would be getting offers of 800k a year I reckon, so that's band 1 compo. Frawley is a better player, but it's a similar case study - key position defender that's reached free agency in a bottom club, moving to a club hoping to contend in the next few seasons. They deserves exactly what we got for Frawley. Not sure if the AFL still offer a pick after or just after the first round nowadays, I haven't kept up with it

As far as the non-finalists go, the bottom 3 are about the only clubs in great need for a top pick. And the Hawks will probably be the most [censored] off about moving down in the order, but who cares about them after their 3peat. Gold Coast will flip theirs for points, and every other club is still within reach of the top 8 at round 20

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Haha such a load or trash.

JVR himself has said multiple times how the year in the VFL was the best thing for his development.

If some junior coach or distant cousin wanted him to debut despite inconsistent VFL form and being a young kid then good luck to them.

He’s also playing now because he’s good and deserves games, without being a lock for selection. We aren’t gifting him games to keep him happy. 

Well of course he'll say that to the media... he would have been frustrated as hell also.

This is also has nothing to do with Suma's comments btw.

29 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Any opinions on how the rumoured Ben McKay compo might change things re moving up order for their pick, or North going for Reid ?

North getting pick 2 and 3 might be the "priority pick" the AFL throws their way so they don't have to deal with the actual PP process. And I wouldn't begrudge it, given we got Brayshaw from the Frawley compo.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2023-harley-reid-will-west-coast-eagles-trade-no1-pick-gold-coast-suns-jed-walter-ethan-read-north-melborne-priority-pick-ryley-sanders/news-story/8de2da2c372325224c5f722fecf374b5

North Melbourne, as flagged by interim coach Brett Ratten, is also in the process of applying for a priority draft pick this year, given they’ve won just 11 of their past 78 games. The Roos last year received one future second and one future third-round pick – which they had to trade – as part of an assistance package. Ultimately, they used those picks to acquire Griffin Logue and Darcy Tucker from Fremantle.

But the more likely outcome, according to draft sources spoken to by foxfooty.com.au, is the AFL will allow North to pre-list star Tasmanian midfield prospect Rylely Sanders who the Kangaroos are hoping will be added to their Next Generation Academy after he recently received his certificate of Aboriginality. Sanders ranked eighth in foxfooty.com.au’s draft power rankingsreleased earlier this week and is widely considered a prospect worthy of a top-10 selection.

 

I can't see North getting a PP if they can pre-list Sanders (which I think will happen) and given the compromises with the GC NGA prospects,  I think the secret herbs and spices compensation pick for losing McKay might be more like end of first round rather than directly after their first pick.   

I wouldn't be looking to previous AFL decisions as a precedent - AFL HQ have never been consistent in how they decide these things. 

Edited July 27, 20231 yr by grazman

I’d be surprised if McKay is worth that sort of money. I’d rate all 4 of our key defenders ahead of him( Tommo maybe the same). If he’s worth $800k what’s Lever, May and Petty worth? Clubs might be willing to pay a bit more considering they don’t have to give up draft capital but still can’t see him earning near $800k. 
FWIW I don’t mind if they do give them pick 3 for him, just don’t want them getting high end compensation and access to Sanders on top of the two picks they were given last year. 
As I remember clubs weren’t happy that we got pick 3 for Frawley and it was seen as being more or less a priority pick. 
 

Giddy the [censored] up!

 

41 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Yes, the finalists' rankings from 1 to 8 are based on ladder position at the end of H & A.

Percentage plays no part after the end of H & A.

I get that part.

I'll try and clarify my question with another scenario.

Say the 6th place team land there on percentage only at the end of the H & A season (equal points with 4th and 5th).

1st week

- 4th lose their first final and 6th win theirs. 

2nd week

- 4th team lose their semi (to winner of 5v8)

-6th team lose their semi (to loser of 2v3)

Both teams knocked out in the semi finals.

Is the 4th team ranked higher regardless due to their finish at the home and away season.

Or does the 6th team rank higher because they've won 1 more game than the 4th team (both in the finals and in total if added to the H & A season games won total)

I.e games played

4th games played 25 - W 15, L 10

6th games played 25 - W 16  L 9

 

My understanding is thats its still the 4th team at the end of the H & A season that's still ranked higher but never looked that closely at it.

Cheers.

 

Edited July 27, 20231 yr by Nascent

3 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Is the 4th team ranked higher regardless due to their finish at the home and away season.

This.  The rankings are established on the ladder at the end of H & A and don't change.

3 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

This.  The rankings are established on the ladder at the end of H & A and don't change.

But the picks they receive can change. 

8th make the grand final they get pick 17 or 18. Prelim lose would get them 15. Semi lose get them 13 and straight elimination lose gets them pick 11. 

Anyway, I digress. How about that Harley kid hey... looks good in a dees jumper.

1 minute ago, Nascent said:

But the picks they receive can change. 

Absolutely.  The picks they receive are based on their final finishing position, not their pre-finals ranking (= ladder position at end of H & A).

Harley Reid you say?  He'd be alright I suppose.  

Courtesy @MyHeartBeatsTrue on Twitter 

30 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Giddy the [censored] up!

 

What would the media know, just click bait. 

2 minutes ago, ANG13 said:

What would the media know, just click bait. 

Enough for you to care to still comment? 

Ignore it then.