Pickett's vicious tackle

[DEMON WITHIN 0]

Great to see the tribunal give Byron the all clear...

i think you will find that he gets given a week anyway...by danners in the reserves!

We were desperate to rush Byron in a little underdone because of our injuries...now we have a couple of the boys back, he needs to regain the fitness required to contribute somewhere near his best. Would like to see us give the young kids a go...we have a habit of taking a long time to find out if the youngsters have what it takes. When it comes off, we say...good that danners was patient, but sometimes we have players on the list for 3 years and they get delisted with 0-5 games in the seniors. Lets give Buckley and Newton a go...looking forward to seeing frawley when hes had a couple of weeks to run around in the ressies.

[The HuLK 139]

I'll stick my neck out here, knowing I'll face vitriolic ridicule from some hot-headed posters.

I reckon Choppy's tackle on Cornes was dangerous, late,unnecessary, and intended to cause physical injury. He was lucky he didn't break his neck. If a Melbourne player was the victim, there would be many posters complaining here.

How it wasn't a down-field free stuns me. In my opinion it exemplified the umpires' blind ignorance during this match.Cornes had got his hurried kick in, before Pickett got hold of him. But even if it wasn't late(which I'll admit is arguable), it was done purely to cause injury in a manner frowned upon by the authorities(i.e. pinning the arms)

This sort of thing needs to be stamped out . Pickett deserves a month. If he's going to play like he did on Sunday(and the rest of tjs season), that'll be to our advantage.

I know Flash plays better when he's there, but he's got to stand on his own two feet. A tackle like that on Davey or Nathan Krakouer would quite possibly kill them.

how can a tackle when a player has the ball, should be given a month??? u got too be kidding... If anything it deserve a free kick for in the back, cause pickett`s body weight forced the port player forward.. dont understand how that is reportable... the game getting worst as is..

[Rivers Run Red 187]

Definately a fair tackle, in saying that you could see Pickett was getting frustrated and I actually was expecting something like this.

They are saying that you can't pin a players arms in a tackle because he can't protect himeself, but in todays fast paced game, theres almost a tenth of a second reaction required.

To be fair on his current form, I don't think he should be getting a game in the red and blue, but I don't want to see him get reported.

[deanox 9,924]

Thanks, Deanox. You're an ex-umpire, so perhaps I should bow to your experience .......or perhaps I should deride you for being associated with those blundreing idiots!! But I've never tried it ,so perhaps I underestimate the difficulty. They certainly make the job look hard.( not physically, with three of them the amount of running required is quite limited and undemanding for highly paid professionals)

But do you agree that Pickett's been worse than useless this year? If Godders had done any of the clangers he's perpetrated, Demonlanders would be screaming for his head.

im an ex umpire but im also an ex rugby front rower the umpires problem is that they are told one thing but that doesnt mean it is the rule. jjc you have seen vfl games and the umpiring is completely different, but as soon as these guys are in the afl the decisions change. the rules are the same so how can this be? i think we worry about show boating in the afl way too much.

jjc, my call on picketts season to date is a little different than yours. i agree he has been dissapointing (maybe im being too nice), but he brings something to our team that no other player does. a toughness, that champion aura. he is dangerous, has the ability to hurt the opposition, both physically and with the footy, and the opposition are wary of him because of this. even if he doesnt have 20 touches he always lays a couple of good tackles, a bump or two and scares opposition players into rushing a couple of kicks. he might look slow but he can turn it up when he needs too as im sure you've noticed - you cant tell me that kane cornes is slow.

pickett, in all the years at the club has needed time to get his match fitness up. he has had an interupted start to the year, problems with his mums health and the hamstring injury, but he came but only 85g overweight which isnt bad at all...

with respect to godders i see your point. personally i think godders has had a fantastic start to the year, possibly his best too date. a couple of scalps, a few goals the other week, he is playing good footy. he will never be our no.1 midfielder, but he busts his guts anyway. the reason the two are different? pickett can fluff as many kicks as he wants but which player is going to rise to the occasion and have a blinder? which player is gonna win it for our team? pickett could win a game by himself. godders is a vital part of the team around him.

in summary: picket brings so much more to our team than simply possessions.

[kramer 0]

I'll stick my neck out here, knowing I'll face vitriolic ridicule from some hot-headed posters.

I reckon Choppy's tackle on Cornes was dangerous, late,unnecessary, and intended to cause physical injury. He was lucky he didn't break his neck. If a Melbourne player was the victim, there would be many posters complaining here.

How it wasn't a down-field free stuns me. In my opinion it exemplified the umpires' blind ignorance during this match.Cornes had got his hurried kick in, before Pickett got hold of him. But even if it wasn't late(which I'll admit is arguable), it was done purely to cause injury in a manner frowned upon by the authorities(i.e. pinning the arms)

This sort of thing needs to be stamped out . Pickett deserves a month. If he's going to play like he did on Sunday(and the rest of tjs season), that'll be to our advantage.

I know Flash plays better when he's there, but he's got to stand on his own two feet. A tackle like that on Davey or Nathan Krakouer would quite possibly kill them.

i think your right jumping jack..............wasnt it great!!!

[Guest dee'viator]

I'll stick my neck out here, knowing I'll face vitriolic ridicule from some hot-headed posters.

I reckon Choppy's tackle on Cornes was dangerous, late,unnecessary, and intended to cause physical injury. He was lucky he didn't break his neck. If a Melbourne player was the victim, there would be many posters complaining here.

How it wasn't a down-field free stuns me. In my opinion it exemplified the umpires' blind ignorance during this match.Cornes had got his hurried kick in, before Pickett got hold of him. But even if it wasn't late(which I'll admit is arguable), it was done purely to cause injury in a manner frowned upon by the authorities(i.e. pinning the arms)

This sort of thing needs to be stamped out . Pickett deserves a month. If he's going to play like he did on Sunday(and the rest of tjs season), that'll be to our advantage.

I know Flash plays better when he's there, but he's got to stand on his own two feet. A tackle like that on Davey or Nathan Krakouer would quite possibly kill them.

Sorry Jack but I could not disagree with you more. It was up the other end from me so I didn't get a great look at it so wheb I got home I watched the last Qtr straight away to see a few points of interest for me including this one. It was a strong takle & their speed through their bodies forward with the momentum, I looked to see if Byron launched after taking hold & he did not. HE actually dragged his legs to pull Cornes down & as they hit the ground they rolled forward.

Great takle, pity Kane was hurt.

[Old Man Rivers 326]

I'll stick my neck out here, knowing I'll face vitriolic ridicule from some hot-headed posters.

I reckon Choppy's tackle on Cornes was dangerous, late,unnecessary, and intended to cause physical injury. He was lucky he didn't break his neck. If a Melbourne player was the victim, there would be many posters complaining here.

How it wasn't a down-field free stuns me. In my opinion it exemplified the umpires' blind ignorance during this match.Cornes had got his hurried kick in, before Pickett got hold of him. But even if it wasn't late(which I'll admit is arguable), it was done purely to cause injury in a manner frowned upon by the authorities(i.e. pinning the arms)

This sort of thing needs to be stamped out . Pickett deserves a month. If he's going to play like he did on Sunday(and the rest of tjs season), that'll be to our advantage.

I know Flash plays better when he's there, but he's got to stand on his own two feet. A tackle like that on Davey or Nathan Krakouer would quite possibly kill them.

Stupid - Stupid thread

It was one of our rare highlights of 2007.

Perfectly Legal -

"Pickett deserves a month" You are clearly one of the old school who refuses to embrace Byron.

Byron is a star & will be one of the major forces behind our resurgence over the next month

C'mon Dee's

[fired up 77]

I'll stick my neck out here, knowing I'll face vitriolic ridicule from some hot-headed posters.

I reckon Choppy's tackle on Cornes was dangerous, late,unnecessary, and intended to cause physical injury. He was lucky he didn't break his neck. If a Melbourne player was the victim, there would be many posters complaining here.

How it wasn't a down-field free stuns me. In my opinion it exemplified the umpires' blind ignorance during this match.Cornes had got his hurried kick in, before Pickett got hold of him. But even if it wasn't late(which I'll admit is arguable), it was done purely to cause injury in a manner frowned upon by the authorities(i.e. pinning the arms)

This sort of thing needs to be stamped out . Pickett deserves a month. If he's going to play like he did on Sunday(and the rest of tjs season), that'll be to our advantage.

I know Flash plays better when he's there, but he's got to stand on his own two feet. A tackle like that on Davey or Nathan Krakouer would quite possibly kill them.

[Real Demon 232]

Terrific tackle......no malice in it whatsoever!

And I just heard Mike Sheahan talking about it during On The Couch.......he likened it to the Bruce tackle a few years ago when Bruce broke his collarbone against the Saints and reckons more protection is needed for the player going for the ball.

Perhaps they can start tampering more with the tackling rules and just introduce "touch tackles" into the game. Tap them on the back and it's holding the ball!

If they take hard tackles out of the game, I will stop watching football!

[fired up 77]

It was a fair hard tackle like old times well done byron. the pressure he puts on the ball carrier is extreme and causes turnovers and mistakes if you take him on you may pay the price. Every body says melb is soft including our own then when someone shows some hardness he gets shitcanned GO HARD BYRON>

:angry:

[45HG 1,539]

good on lade too for his defence of pickett. good to see.

[Oxxx 0]

I'll stick my neck out here, knowing I'll face vitriolic ridicule from some hot-headed posters.

I reckon Choppy's tackle on Cornes was dangerous, late,unnecessary, and intended to cause physical injury. He was lucky he didn't break his neck. If a Melbourne player was the victim, there would be many posters complaining here.

How it wasn't a down-field free stuns me. In my opinion it exemplified the umpires' blind ignorance during this match.Cornes had got his hurried kick in, before Pickett got hold of him. But even if it wasn't late(which I'll admit is arguable), it was done purely to cause injury in a manner frowned upon by the authorities(i.e. pinning the arms)

This sort of thing needs to be stamped out . Pickett deserves a month. If he's going to play like he did on Sunday(and the rest of tjs season), that'll be to our advantage.

I know Flash plays better when he's there, but he's got to stand on his own two feet. A tackle like that on Davey or Nathan Krakouer would quite possibly kill them.

Get your facts right before posting rubbish.

First of all, Cornes had the ball when he was tackled. Second of all, it wasn't the tackle that hurt Cornes, it was the fact that he landed on his knees before hitting the turf, which sent him forward. And given that Pickett had Cornes' arms pinned from the tackle (which is what you do to restrict your opponent from getting a possession away) he had nothing to protect him from his landing, which is unfortunate but it does sometimes happen in football.

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,799]

Oxxx,the facts were correct. You disagree very vehemently with my opinion. So have all the other posters. But it'd take a gutsy poster to this Forum to admit he agrees with my opinion on this matter, after seeing the emotional uproar caused by my suggestion that a tackle that could have caused spinal injury,was unwarranted.

I admit that I might be too concerned with player safety and players' "duty of care" to one another, but it's completely wrong to suggest that I want to ban physical contact from our game. It's unfair to say that my opinion is" stupid" , as several hotheaded posters have suggested.

[45HG 1,539]

i can definitely see your point, and the safety of the players should be the foremost factor in the rules. the g is not the colloseum, though sometimes feels like it.

however i just feel in this circumstance that if it had been davey or petterd or bruce that tackled him, chances are the force would have been less and cornes would not have been thrust forward at such a rapid rate. i think its just unfortunate in this case that it was pickett, and he carries more force in his tackles. but it was definitely boarderline. i remember 4 years ago picket beating up our boys and many melbourne faithful calling for his head, if he tackled trav in that match in the same fashion chances are we'd want him gone.

top little post i reckon

[deanox 9,924]

my suggestion that a tackle that could have caused spinal injury,was unwarranted.

jjc, as i mentioned before, a speccy could result in spinal injury, or it could result in a knee to the head (ie bell). if you try and bump someone and they dodge you they could fall over and knock themselves out (ie maloney). unfortunately (or fortunately) this is part of the game. it is a hard sport and only the toughest, bravest (or stupidest) and most skilled get to play at this level. part of the contest is the physical contest. we don't have the coliseums anymore, we have the G. and we dont fight with swords til death, we chase a leather footy, but we can still use our bodies to fight for that ball. pickett didnt pick a player up and throw him on his head. he didnt push him in the back or ride him into the ground. he didnt bump someone to the neck or head. he didnt punch someone from behind. he layed a legitimate tackle that unfortunately rolled over. you could say that the tackle that saw the sydney players knee injured last week was equally dangerous as he was injured as well by accident.

there are rules to protect players (in the back, too high, front on bump, dangerous play, striking etc) but in this case a normally safe part of the game went a bit awry. what you are suggesting is to ban the tackle. i realise you don't mean that but that is the effective outcome of what you are proposing...

[Bingo 305]

In that situation, how can you not pin the arms???

AFL Football 2008:-

Byron walks up to Mr Cornes (Running's too dangerous) and says "Excuse me Mr Cornes could you please put your arms up so that i could gently place you on the ground without pinning your arms??? Don't worry my runner Niles here has a pillow so you won't be uncomfortable at all."

Kane then says "Ohh yes Byron that would be jolly good, and also much safer!"

Byron then says "Very good it's agreed then." (does the act of a tackle) "Thank you very much Mr Cornes. Cheerio"

What a crock!!!

Was an awesome tackle, wish we had more of them.

[Yze_Magic 3]

Great tackle from Sir Byron!!

He couldnt have knocked out a more deserving player. Shame he didnt get that other Cornes [censored] too. And their old man while he was at it.

[TonyMelb 7]

Tim Watson started this push - he was backing away from it this morning...

if Byron has to go up, we should use the push in the back rule as a standard for policing of new interpretations!!

SEN again today persisted with a phone poll on Byron's tackle - over 80% viewed it as fair.

Byron is fully entitled to regard him self as being unfairly treated! This beating up of a tacle into some histeria is cloes to if not already bias or prejudice againt him personally ( & possibly racially underneath). One caller to SEN tried to blame Byron for deliberatle causing Keneally injury the wek before. Commentators have lot to answer for this!! Watson demonstrated his limitations as football commentator! Compare that with the Pt Adelaide comments including Chocco Williams who said straight away Byron would never try to hurt one of his former teammates.

The underlying issue arising here is there is clearly a very different standard being applied to Byron - several good tackles by him have gone unrewarded - one 2 weeks ago was glaring - and by contrast the umpires ping him for holding the ball almost immediatley. Bearing in mind that Goodes gets let off for a hit behind play and Hall gets let off to play in a GF compared with Byron getting 6 weeks (significantly more than any other suspension in recent times) a strong case for a claim is building up if he ever wants to make one.

I am sue all Byron wants to do is play good and tough footy like he did a lot of last year and lets hope (a) he can and (B) he is allowed to so we can enjoy watching him and others show what MFC is actually capable of!

[Jaded No More 68,921]

If anyone else laid the same tackle, like say Chris Judd, we wouldn't be discussing it.

It's the fact that Bryon Pickett was involved, which is creating headlines.

[Jonesy is the next captain 0]

He had not better get rubbed out for that

[GoDs 0]

He had not better get rubbed out for that

Slow down and look around mate... He already has been cleared.

[demon magik 0]

it was a fine tackle absolutely nuthing wrong with it in my POV if something happens the AFL is getting WAY to soft..

[demonfanjezza 1]

It's the fact that Bryon Pickett was involved, which is creating headlines.

Totally agree Jaded

When i saw it on ten sport on sunday, to me it was a fair tackle, nothing wrong with it, but of course i dont like to see injuries, but when a tackle needs to be made it needs to be made. And pickett was there to make the tackle