On 03/10/2023 at 06:45, Dwight Schrute said:

Realistically only about 3 teams have the currency to get this done, it would be one of the biggest trades of all time. i kind of want it to happen just to see a deal on that scale. 

I'd be wanting a top 5 pick and a player, or a top 5 pick and a top 10 pick to even start the conversation 

I'd be wanting top 5 picks just to start the convo. You build a midfield around Clarry.

  On 03/10/2023 at 06:40, mo64 said:

The club is playing with fire if they are open to listening to offers for Clarry. We need to nip it in the bud ASAP.

Am going to proffer a different  view.

Whilst essentially Clarry you would think is a no go area... is he ? Is anyone ?? 

The club should ( due diligence) listen. It may then choose to laugh, guffaw...or  ponder.

Im not for one moment putting him up for trade.   But listening doesn't cost.

Oliver is rare, dare i say unique. But we did cope. 

Nothing is carved in stone.

Maybe Oliver might take note.

I don’t care how bad a year Oliver had.

Absent destructive cultural problems, he remains a top 10 competition player. Trading him ends our premiership window instantaneously (yes, that’s a hill I’m prepared to die on).

  On 03/10/2023 at 06:36, deespicable me said:

Speculation of course. I only get news from here or I speculate Picket.

But a lot of people have a story about Oliver being out and about drunk. I know I have. Not to say he shouldn't be of course. Perfectly normal behavior for a young man. Not necessarily for a full time professional sportsman though who has to run 15 km every week and is at the coal face of most contests. He is being asked to sacrifice and compromise and personally I see it as an issue for him at this point in his short life. 

Compare him to Trac and Viney, both married, comfortable in their own skin and settled down. Again not to knock Clarry at all. He just has a bit of growing up to do. And part of growing up is deciding whats right for you and how you would like to go about it.  I think his second half of the year reflected that.

It is all about how he handles himself really. He had setbacks and remember the Club is not innocent in this charade. FD and Hoody. Who was running the medical reports? Goody  should have been told to leave that to Selwyn each week and only do the facts not predictions on the next round or two.  This did not help Clarry clearly. It confused and thsts the vision on the TV blowing up about his injury. 

I am not a medical person but it was a very long time before the issue was resolved. Wasn't there any other medical advice that could have been sought? 

A very hard lesson for all and again another reason why we missed out on 2nd plus winning tight Finals games at the end. 

Very many decisions over the season mainly last two months Leading up to games or in them resulted in us virtually losing the 1% ers that would have got us and not the Pies and Blues across the line.

From the Schache sub to the Goal Reviews to the forward and connection decision making we made our own bed and had to lie on it eventually.  Goody should own up about the sub decision as a mistake. Please don't go down the Rory Lobb path it's not leading any where. 

Let's get a big fish be it Lynch McKay or another if we can and make sure  we get 2 elite recruits from the 4/5 picks we have. JT and Lambie should be burning the midnight oil in the next 6/8 weeks as they do so well. 

We looked a Club that couldn't control its destiny at the end and thsts the very difference between the Pies and other top teams this season. 

Lions made expensive GF errors 50m like us snd late red time after siren goals killed them. They agsin hit the run of the green with Daicos the underserving beneficionary of the first and virtually only head high tackle as he slid down to exaggerate his shoulder's position. Lions defence had lapses that always let The Pies  recover. Guess the pressure is the issue same way we should have won but couldn't find a way. Win that QF and the Flag was probably ours Forwards injuries and all. 

All Clubs have seen the Pies blueprint for 51 games now and need to practise match situations far better to catch them out. Also greater aggression is necessary at the start and end of quarters. 

We are still in our prime but need a reality check with a recruiting splurge of a classy and confident outside runner plus big forward to join JVR Harry P and Fritta plus our smalls and mids and another young defender to add along with Disco Jed Adams for the near present and future also. Oh and a young Matt Flynn type to assist Gawny. 

We have no trouble attracting star players to our Club and we have the were with draft and trade tools to add another layer or two to our existing list 

Hope we can accomplish a great deal over the two periods upcoming so critical for our future. 

 

  On 03/10/2023 at 07:27, beelzebub said:

Am going to proffer a different  view.

Whilst essentially Clarry you would think is a no go area... is he ? Is anyone ?? 

The club should ( due diligence) listen. It may then choose to laugh, guffaw...or  ponder.

Im not for one moment putting him up for trade.   But listening doesn't cost.

Oliver is rare, dare i say unique. But we did cope. 

Nothing is carved in stone.

Maybe Oliver might take note.

Sometimes Bub it seems you post for the sake of posting.. conversation is great, but not for the sake of it.

 

Just saying

  On 03/10/2023 at 07:43, Demonsterative said:

Sometimes Bub it seems you post for the sake of posting.. conversation is great, but not for the sake of it.

 

Just saying

Sometimes i offer a different view.

 Not yours perhaps..  i dont give a f.

Try offering a counter argument.  Can you ? All too simple to denigrate eh . Heads up ...you're  not in charge. It's a forum. You do get that's about...conversations...ideas.

 

The counter argument is, as all clubs, there are untouchables!! Clarry is exactly that. 
 

Max, May, Trac, Viney (as he is a son of a club great), Lever all sit in the same club as Clarry. 
 

I’m not in charge and don’t suffer foolish conversations easily…… 

 

Soz if you felt I was denigrating you. 
 

just saying… 

IF Clarry left would u take gc pick 4 gc future first Ben king 

for Clarry melb pick 25 pick 34 melb future second 

then trade gc pick 4 future melb first rd pick for nm pick 2 

then trade pick 2 pick 13 and future first gc to west coast for Harley Reid 

melb end up with Harley Reid/ Ben king and (pick 5) Zane dursma/O’Sullivan/Watson/mckercher 

  On 03/10/2023 at 07:55, Demonsterative said:

The counter argument is, as all clubs, there are untouchables!! Clarry is exactly that. 
 

Max, May, Trac, Viney (as he is a son of a club great), Lever all sit in the same club as Clarry. 
 

I’m not in charge and don’t suffer foolish conversations easily…… 

 

Soz if you felt I was denigrating you. 
 

just saying… 

Im going to again offer a counter view.

If as you suggest Oliver is untouchable..  no one would have enquired. 

Somewhere... someone... has let a door crack open. 

No one asks about Max, Trac or Jack... but strangely there's a story surrounding Clarry.

Think about that.

  On 03/10/2023 at 00:07, BangBnagBang said:

That's not my memory and Im happy to be corrected, but Jolly cracked it due to ND playing Jamar in front of him late in the season and looked to leave at season end.

 

Bang you are probably right that that was the reason he wanted out but the point I made is that ND was too ready to say yes only thinking that Jeff White could ruck alone and do the job. Of course Jama was around snd  cover maybe but we lost out  through ND too easy a yes to Jolly. Is what I gleaned to this trade. 

That in  no way reflects what a great ruck Mark became culminating in 2010 with AA selection. 

If Oliver gets traded there will be one less 35 year member signing up next year

  On 03/10/2023 at 08:06, beelzebub said:

Im going to again offer a counter view.

If as you suggest Oliver is untouchable..  no one would have enquired. 

Somewhere... someone... has let a door crack open. 

No one asks about Max, Trac or Jack... but strangely there's a story surrounding Clarry.

Think about that.

TMZ has stories of Hollywood too. 
 

Think about it. Clarry was taking drugs, therefore explaining his extended hamstring issue according to some media this year. Not true! 
 

I have no inside knowledge, but I say “Move on! Nothing to see here” 

 

If there is whispers of a disagreement within the club, taking it to, he is tradable is a massive stretch… the kid is a generational player. 

  On 03/10/2023 at 08:14, Demonsterative said:

TMZ has stories of Hollywood too. 
 

Think about it. Clarry was taking drugs, therefore explaining his extended hamstring issue according to some media this year. Not true! 
 

I have no inside knowledge, but I say “Move on! Nothing to see here” 

 

If there is whispers of a disagreement within the club, taking it to, he is tradable is a massive stretch… the kid is a generational player. 

As such i agree...   but thats not where we are.  I can think of many players at many clubs I'd pick as a 'made up' before Oliver.

I still don't attach either much voracity or credibility to it ( the murmurings ) ... but it's an odd choice...no ? 

He's had some issues this year..  not all happy snaps and perhaps thats where it stems?? 

Doing the Devils work again... whats more important "A" bloody good mid ( we have a few )... or a bloody good kpf ???   Of which we have none.

Again...listening costs nil.

  On 02/10/2023 at 23:25, JimmyGadson said:

He'll be going into the 6th year of his seven year deal next year which he signed back in 2018.

It's doable. No doubt about it. And we have space. 

Also, what makes you think he's still in a moonboot? I'm pretty sure he's out. 

 

Did you see him marche on Le Champs Elysees?

  On 03/10/2023 at 08:25, beelzebub said:

As such i agree...   but thats not where we are.  I can think of many players at many clubs I'd pick as a 'made up' before Oliver.

I still don't attach either much voracity or credibility to it ( the murmurings ) ... but it's an odd choice...no ? 

He's had some issues this year..  not all happy snaps and perhaps thats where it stems?? 

Doing the Devils work again... whats more important "A" bloody good mid ( we have a few )... or a bloody good kpf ???   Of which we have none.

Again...listening costs nil.

Wrong we have Petty and potentially JVR short term and long term possibly MAtty Jefferson. And a high draft pick or big trade should see another. Not all lost adding in our other pieces in the puzzle. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/operation-oliver-clubs-believe-melbourne-star-could-be-available-20231003-p5e9gf.html

Not really hearing anything leaking out of the MFC. Hearing a couple of whispers but nothing really solid. 

Heard a couple of people say that they believe Flynn will get across the line to us. I think that would be a good result.

Mc Adam move might be in doubt. No idea why and I do not rate this whisper.

Have heard that the club has a few different strategies in play and that the direction they take will be dependent upon what trades fall early, and not just trades we are involved in.  

Harmes more than likely to stay along with Tomlinson.

I did hear that there may be a key positional switch coming up during the preseason. Will keep the name to myself until after the trade period.

Heard nothing re: Oliver except what has been on here. 

 

 

  On 03/10/2023 at 09:24, CHF said:

Not really hearing anything leaking out of the MFC. Hearing a couple of whispers but nothing really solid. 

Heard a couple of people say that they believe Flynn will get across the line to us. I think that would be a good result.

Mc Adam move might be in doubt. No idea why and I do not rate this whisper.

Have heard that the club has a few different strategies in play and that the direction they take will be dependent upon what trades fall early, and not just trades we are involved in.  

Harmes more than likely to stay along with Tomlinson.

I did hear that there may be a key positional switch coming up during the preseason. Will keep the name to myself until after the trade period.

Heard nothing re: Oliver except what has been on here. 

 

 

Wouldn’t be surprised if it turn out to be Disco

  On 03/10/2023 at 08:14, Billy said:

If Oliver gets traded there will be one less 35 year member signing up next year

Make that 2 😱

  On 03/10/2023 at 09:11, 58er said:

Wrong we have Petty and potentially JVR short term and long term possibly MAtty Jefferson. And a high draft pick or big trade should see another. Not all lost adding in our other pieces in the puzzle. 

I would suggest that neither ARE a kpf... might be... not yet.

That is the issue .... ?? 

Clarry IS a top end mid..   we have potential forwards ( imo ) 

The humiliating trade suggestions from nuffy supporters of other clubs on Twitter  is almost as painful as the feedback we received in going out in straight sets two years running.

 

If the Oliver rumour is of Melbourne’s doing, I want a 40% discount from NB that actually works as some form of compensation.

  On 03/10/2023 at 09:28, picket fence said:

Make that 2 😱

Pathetic 

  On 03/10/2023 at 09:53, fr_ap said:

Pathetic 

Why’s that?

When you lose Clarry but have 20 first round picks over the next two years

 

Trade period is entertaining....