6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think WJ is more alluding to the situation of having too many developmental players in one position of the ground, especially given list spots are very limited these days. You don’t really want to put 2-3 years in to Kye Turner only to find out he’s still behind Disco and Adams, who are battling it out for a spot behind Petty, Lever and possibly still May.

On the other hand we took 4 very raw players in the drafts which indicates the club are pretty confident with our mature players. And Burgoyne isn’t exactly a ready to go option either. JT also indicated the best young talents don’t last long in midseason drafts.

This last list spot looms as a developmental option one way or the other. So it makes sense to not be too worried about positions. And key defenders are super valuable. If you can get one that you rate I don’t think you worry about having too many. 

Agreed. Sometimes you can have problems and they turn out to be good problems. If everyone’s fit, then potentially you might have a number of key defenders lining up at Casey for a game - Tomlinson, Joel Smith, Adams and both Turners. Little wonder that Corey Ellison took the punt on a move to Williamstown.

9 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Agreed. Sometimes you can have problems and they turn out to be good problems. If everyone’s fit, then potentially you might have a number of key defenders lining up at Casey for a game - Tomlinson, Joel Smith, Adams and both Turners. Little wonder that Corey Ellison took the punt on a move to Williamstown.

We made a bad mistake this season, in not keeping the team fresh, like the Cats did and it cost us, with our team being completely banged up by finals time.

We have depth and maybe a smarter use of the list will help us next season.

With a good injury run, some players are going to get limited games, but that is the way of successful teams these days.

Tomlinson for example, was unwanted by other clubs, so he plays his time at Casey, unless an opportunity arises.

He and Joel Smith for example, won’t be with us in 2 years, so the evolution of the list continues.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

We made a bad mistake this season, in not keeping the team fresh

I know this is now accepted wisdom on Demonland and there is no doubt that it would have been nice to have had the opportunity the Cats had to rest players towards the end of the season.  But we didn't.

People regularly quote the games against NM and WCE as opportunities to rest players but of course this would have been pretty meaningless because it was midseason.  People quote Gawn, who came back for the WCE game, saying he shouldn't have played.  Perhaps so but that game in all likelihood didn't impact his form or physical condition at finals time.

The reality is we had a very hard draw in our last month or so and we were fighting tooth and nail to stay in the top four.  The concept of "resting players" is really only meaningful when you talk about your keys, it doesn't matter if you rest JJ, Sparrow, ANB et al because they are not your key drivers and a rested soldier isn't likely to have an impact.  If you're going to rest players it needs to be the Generals and to do that puts at real risk the chance of winning games.  And we needed to win every game we did. Don't lose sight of the fact that a loss to Brisbane in the last game meant missing the top four and no double chance.

I believe we were just unlucky.  Oliver was injured late in the season as was Petracca.  I think Viney was injured against Brisbane where he was just about BOG and then didn't fire a shot in the finals.  For a player "made for finals" that's odd.  Gawn was badly beaten up but LJ was in awful form (for whatever reason) and there wasn't another ruck on the list.  Who knows what other injuries were.

I think we just needed to beat Sydney and get a weeks break to give the injured players a chance, but we didn't.  It just wasn't our year and I don't think the proposition that "we made a bad mistake" is any part of the reason.

On 11/30/2022 at 10:47 PM, adonski said:

Why so many key defenders 

Can't have enough. And with May over 30 we will need a replacement soon enough.

 

And some of them can be moved fwd

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Can't have enough. And with May over 30 we will need a replacement soon enough.

 

And some of them can be moved fwd

You can definitely have too many

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

We made a bad mistake this season, in not keeping the team fresh, like the Cats did and it cost us, with our team being completely banged up by finals time.

Geelong had the luxury of their FIXture having soft games in the middle to later part, which meant they could do this.

42 minutes ago, adonski said:

You can definitely have too many

Just because a player comes into the squad as a defender doesn't mean he will stay there. TMac is a good example.

Most junior players have to learn defence when they get to the AFL. Like Bowey.

Often KPPs are in the fwd line in juniors and have to learn defence.

You don't want 21 Daniel Turners but plenty of players end up in different spots to where they started.

Edited December 21, 20222 yr by jnrmac

2 hours ago, adonski said:

You can definitely have too many

But some of them might not make it.

Just now, Redleg said:

But some of them might not make it.

No doubt. Just think it's strange given we have zero (Dunstan aside) inside mid depth at Casey.

4 minutes ago, adonski said:

No doubt. Just think it's strange given we have zero (Dunstan aside) inside mid depth at Casey.

We have 2 firsts and 2 seconds next draft and you could be pretty safe in thinking we will target another Kozzie type and a couple of inside mids.

2 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

I know this is now accepted wisdom on Demonland and there is no doubt that it would have been nice to have had the opportunity the Cats had to rest players towards the end of the season.  But we didn't.

People regularly quote the games against NM and WCE as opportunities to rest players but of course this would have been pretty meaningless because it was midseason.  People quote Gawn, who came back for the WCE game, saying he shouldn't have played.  Perhaps so but that game in all likelihood didn't impact his form or physical condition at finals time.

The reality is we had a very hard draw in our last month or so and we were fighting tooth and nail to stay in the top four.  The concept of "resting players" is really only meaningful when you talk about your keys, it doesn't matter if you rest JJ, Sparrow, ANB et al because they are not your key drivers and a rested soldier isn't likely to have an impact.  If you're going to rest players it needs to be the Generals and to do that puts at real risk the chance of winning games.  And we needed to win every game we did. Don't lose sight of the fact that a loss to Brisbane in the last game meant missing the top four and no double chance.

I believe we were just unlucky.  Oliver was injured late in the season as was Petracca.  I think Viney was injured against Brisbane where he was just about BOG and then didn't fire a shot in the finals.  For a player "made for finals" that's odd.  Gawn was badly beaten up but LJ was in awful form (for whatever reason) and there wasn't another ruck on the list.  Who knows what other injuries were.

I think we just needed to beat Sydney and get a weeks break to give the injured players a chance, but we didn't.  It just wasn't our year and I don't think the proposition that "we made a bad mistake" is any part of the reason.

That is it exactly

On 12/20/2022 at 4:48 PM, DeeSpencer said:

I think WJ is more alluding to the situation of having too many developmental players in one position of the ground, especially given list spots are very limited these days. You don’t really want to put 2-3 years in to Kye Turner only to find out he’s still behind Disco and Adams, who are battling it out for a spot behind Petty, Lever and possibly still May.

On the other hand we took 4 very raw players in the drafts which indicates the club are pretty confident with our mature players. And Burgoyne isn’t exactly a ready to go option either. JT also indicated the best young talents don’t last long in midseason drafts.

This last list spot looms as a developmental option one way or the other. So it makes sense to not be too worried about positions. And key defenders are super valuable. If you can get one that you rate I don’t think you worry about having too many. 

The great Melbourne sides of the late 50's and early 60's had Reserves sides studded with players in waiting E.G. Massey, Miller, Crompton, Len Mann, Tony Anderson, Townsend, Emselle, Rowarth, Vagg, etc. It ain't no crime to bide your time.

 

On 12/21/2022 at 10:42 AM, Slartibartfast said:

I know this is now accepted wisdom on Demonland and there is no doubt that it would have been nice to have had the opportunity the Cats had to rest players towards the end of the season.  But we didn't.

People regularly quote the games against NM and WCE as opportunities to rest players but of course this would have been pretty meaningless because it was midseason.  People quote Gawn, who came back for the WCE game, saying he shouldn't have played.  Perhaps so but that game in all likelihood didn't impact his form or physical condition at finals time.

The reality is we had a very hard draw in our last month or so and we were fighting tooth and nail to stay in the top four.  The concept of "resting players" is really only meaningful when you talk about your keys, it doesn't matter if you rest JJ, Sparrow, ANB et al because they are not your key drivers and a rested soldier isn't likely to have an impact.  If you're going to rest players it needs to be the Generals and to do that puts at real risk the chance of winning games.  And we needed to win every game we did. Don't lose sight of the fact that a loss to Brisbane in the last game meant missing the top four and no double chance.

I believe we were just unlucky.  Oliver was injured late in the season as was Petracca.  I think Viney was injured against Brisbane where he was just about BOG and then didn't fire a shot in the finals.  For a player "made for finals" that's odd.  Gawn was badly beaten up but LJ was in awful form (for whatever reason) and there wasn't another ruck on the list.  Who knows what other injuries were.

I think we just needed to beat Sydney and get a weeks break to give the injured players a chance, but we didn't.  It just wasn't our year and I don't think the proposition that "we made a bad mistake" is any part of the reason.

In my opinion it Wasn't a total test player situation  it was changed to the team also she some players were below their best or others slightly injured and needed a break fir a round or cam back too early from injury. All 3 reasons killed us. coach selectors and possibly medical staff a to blame IMO. 

8 minutes ago, 58er said:

In my opinion it Wasn't a total test player situation  it was changed to the team also she some players were below their best or others slightly injured and needed a break fir a round or cam back too early from injury. All 3 reasons killed us. coach selectors and possibly medical staff a to blame IMO. 

Test = rest 

 Changed = changes 

I don't know why I am saying this, but I have a feeling about Kye Turner and yet know very little about him.

Just reading a few comments from his team mates and some stats, there is a vibe that this kid may have something and when developed in our system, may become an AFL player.

Then again.

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

I don't know why I am saying this, but I have a feeling about Kye Turner and yet know very little about him.

Just reading a few comments from his team mates and some stats, there is a vibe that this kid may have something and when developed in our system, may become an AFL player.

Then again.

I'd like to feel the same vibe about him but problem is it seems no one on here has ever seen him play?

So hard to know what's hea playing style is like. Is he quick? Good contested mark etc.

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I'd like to feel the same vibe about him but problem is it seems no one on here has ever seen him play?

So hard to know what's hea playing style is like. Is he quick? Good contested mark etc.

Yes it’s funny to get a vibe about a boy I haven’t even seen play, in a footy sense of course.

On 12/14/2022 at 6:08 AM, 58er said:

D/L provides all of us with a rare chance of learning information but also providing it. 

However any one who seeks advice should have basic skills of reading the English language snd of eliciting a reply to a question.

Both David-Demon and Werribee completely overlooked basic information provided within the first 25 posts in this thread. 

The fact of KT being a train on player was the key to the thread in the first 5/6 posts and the status of whether he is tied to us was covered initially by myself (albeit briefly) at the bottom of page 1, answering that question. 

Yes we can sometimes all overlook things like this or similar events in our lives but in a forum it's not a great standard in snout 38 posts on a single subject. DD gave himself an out in his comments but that doesn't change the truth of the fact.

Or are we just quick reading over some less important threads such is our lives being so hectic these days? 

PS I have been guilty before when replying of a similar slip up of not reading the post and ignoring the information. That's completely different to offering a varying or different opinion on a topic of course. 

My only excuse is age ( over 70) by the way!!!

Happy Posting to all though!! 

Such an MFC- kind-of-post.

Please continue to enjoy your footy 58, no matter how perfect or imperfect we all are.

Cheers, BJ.

11 hours ago, bjDee said:

Such an MFC- kind-of-post.

Please continue to enjoy your footy 58, no matter how perfect or imperfect we all are.

Cheers, BJ.

Go Dees in 2023 BJ 

 

On 12/31/2022 at 2:14 PM, Redleg said:

I don't know why I am saying this, but I have a feeling about Kye Turner and yet know very little about him.

Just reading a few comments from his team mates and some stats, there is a vibe that this kid may have something and when developed in our system, may become an AFL player.

Then again.

2 hours ago, Tarax Club said:

Yep - smooth mover - good size.

I guess this makes it official.