Hawks racism allegations (merged thread)

[Jaded No More 68,602]

A win for the AFL brand 🙄🙄🙄

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11 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

News just coming out...

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-does-deal-with-families-to-end-hawthorn-investigation-20230530-p5dclq.html

All wrapped us nicely during reconciliation week. AFL have big rugs to sweep all the things under 

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,189]

Andrew Dillon's first task as CEO must have been to purchase a bigger carpet to sweep this under. 

[BW511 2,591]

I’d imagine Fagan & Clarko’s lawyers would be salivating right now

[Jibroni 4,945]

Its a disgrace for Clarkson and Fagan had their names dragged through the mud (primarily by Football media) in the first place.

Edited May 30, 2023 by Jibroni

[jnrmac 19,931]

8 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Its a disgrace for Clarkson and Fagan had their names dragged through the mud (primarily by Football media) in the first place.

The confidential report (unvetted and unproven) was leaked to the ABC . During Grand Final week no less for maximum impact.

On another matter the Reports author is accused of fraudulently obtaining hundreds of thousands of dollars from Murray Valley Aboriginal Cooperative

 

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,765]

Case closed without findings...

Bumping this topic for all those willing to pass judgement early doors... so they can retract! 🤷‍♂️

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,765]

On 9/21/2022 at 9:36 AM, layzie said:

Just finished the article. I have never read anything like this before regarding a football club, not even close. If 20% of this is true none of the people mentioned should ever work in this sport again. 

What % do you think is true?

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,765]

On 9/21/2022 at 9:42 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

I'm really struggling with this. 

That Clarkson and Fagan, men who are husbands and fathers would even contemplate such inhuman behaviours is rephrensible on so many levels: moral, abuse of power, racism. 

It is right up there with the Ess drug saga. Perhaps even worse in that it was deliberate, selective to one racial group and extended to controlling partners and family decisions that affect them for the rest of their lives.

It certainly puts a moral stain on Clarkson's 4 premierships.

Do you still think it does?

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On 9/21/2022 at 9:55 AM, demon3165 said:

People need to calm down they are allegations, until proven people need to be careful with their wording.

Level headed words... note the vomit emoji from someone...

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On 9/21/2022 at 10:10 AM, Demon Disciple said:

These are serious breaches of basic human rights. Don't worry about AFL implications, if some of these accusations are proven to be true, some should be facing imprisonment.

"If"

[Lucifers Hero 39,045]

7 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Do you still think it does?

No.

To be fair, I don't recall what info was in the public domain at that time I wrote that.  As more came out and I read more widely on it I could see the total unfairness of it all for Clarkson and Fagan.

Clarkson and Fagan should never have been named.  It is very sad all round.

 

PS not sure of the value of going back to the beginning of this and dragging up so many old posts to challenge.

Edited May 30, 2023 by Lucifers Hero

[dice 684]

What about the findings against Russell Jackson, the ABC and Phil Egan? Or are they immune from publishing such one-sided defamatory material?

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1 minute ago, Lucifers Hero said:

No.

To be fair, I don't recall what info was in the public domain at that time I wrote that.  As more came out and I read more widely on it I could see the total unfairness of it all for Clarkson and Fagan.

Clarkson and Fagan should never have been named.  It is very sad all round.

 

PS not sure of the value of going back to the beginning of this and dragging up so many old posts.

Really?

The pile on was obvious

Nothing personal, but unfortunately it doesn't reflect well on you, and many others

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,765]

1 minute ago, dice said:

What about the findings against Russell Jackson, the ABC and Phil Egan? Or are they immune from publishing such one-sided defamatory material?

Journalistic integrity and the ABC...

Let me know how you go!

[Lucifers Hero 39,045]

1 minute ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Really?

The pile on was obvious

Nothing personal, but unfortunately it doesn't reflect well on you, and many others

That sounds personal to me!

[Demonstone 21,945]

I don't know that this latest development proves anything one way or the other apart from the AFL being very keen on sweeping potentially embarrassing matters under the rug and protecting their brand.

Suspect we haven't heard the last of this and there is still more to be played out.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,765]

5 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

That sounds personal to me!

I have no idea who you are

But your words on page 1 seem fairly well aimed

[Jaded No More 68,602]

11 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I don't know that this latest development proves anything one way or the other apart from the AFL being very keen on sweeping potentially embarrassing matters under the rug and protecting their brand.

Suspect we haven't heard the last of this and there is still more to be played out.

This. 
The only people exonerated right now is Gil and the salesman he got his carpet from. 

Nobody has been proven guilty or otherwise, but by pulling the classic “nothing to see here” move, all the AFL has once again done is left mud everywhere.

Clarkson, Fagan and the HFC will have this mark against their name for a long time regardless of whether it’s deserved or not, and those who made the allegations get no real resolution either. And in the end we’ve made no progress on indigenous relations.

But hey, WE SAVED THE BRAND

 

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5 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

This. 
The only people exonerated right now is Gil and the salesman he got his carpet from. 

Nobody has been proven guilty or otherwise, but by pulling the classic “nothing to see here” move, all the AFL has once again done is left mud everywhere.

Clarkson, Fagan and the HFC will have this mark against their name for a long time regardless of whether it’s deserved or not, and those who made the allegations get no real resolution either. And in the end we’ve made no progress on indigenous relations.

But hey, WE SAVED THE BRAND

 

Spare us the drama

There's no Houdini act here

This is a [censored] show of the highest order, all that has happened today is the acknowledgement that the (lack of) process has been unfair on all parties

[Jaded No More 68,602]

1 minute ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Spare us the drama

There's no Houdini act here

This is a [censored] show of the highest order, all that has happened today is the acknowledgement that the (lack of) process has been unfair on all parties

So you agree with how this process was “resolved”?

You reckon Clarkson and Fagan are happy with this ending? 
 

You seem incredibly angry and hell bent on calling everyone out in here. Do you have some personal involvement in this matter? 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Jaded No More

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,765]

Just now, Jaded No More said:

So you agree with how this process was “resolved”?

You reckon Clarkson and Fagan are happy with this ending? 

Surely there is no happy ending for anyone in this

My point is to simply call out some of the reactions made early on, which were quite obviously a pile on in the absence of objective facts that have never materialised

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54 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The confidential report (unvetted and unproven) was leaked to the ABC . During Grand Final week no less for maximum impact.

On another matter the Reports author is accused of fraudulently obtaining hundreds of thousands of dollars from Murray Valley Aboriginal Cooperative

 

Inconvenient truth...as they say.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,765]

On 5/19/2023 at 5:26 PM, dees189227 said:

Last week Fagan came out and said I sleep well at night, I have a clear conscience. 

Clarkson has never said anything like that. 

I really wonder how this will end up 

Looks like Jessica Fletcher solved it 🧐

[Bitter but optimistic 22,123]

On 9/21/2022 at 8:38 PM, Bitter but optimistic said:

I have a concern. As far as I know , in Australia, we act under the presumption of innocence.  I am concerned that that crucial principal is getting lost in the emotion that this situation has stirred up up.

I certainly don't know the truth of this matter. Let's see what this enquiry reveals.

I will make no further comment until such enquiry is completed.

 

PS. I suggest a few others do the same.

I believe this was my last comment on this matter.

Well the enquiry has been completed - probably to the satisfaction of no one.

Be that as it may, the presumption of innocence must stand!

If any of the parties wish to take the matter further, then I believe there are avenues to do so and we must await any outcomes.

I believe any further discussion , at this time,  will only lead to unnecessary ( and by the fact of a closed investigation ) pointless vitriol.

I respectfully suggest that this thread be closed.