On 06/10/2022 at 01:37, Lord Nev said:

 

 

  On 06/10/2022 at 01:45, old55 said:

They're actually in the hands of another club wanting Tomlinson, I'm sure we'd do the deal to free the cap.

The AFL twitter is a bit confusing.   Are they waiting for a club to be interested or 'need another club to participate' ie a third club to make a deal happen that we can get done, hence in 'the hands of the dees' comment...

  On 06/10/2022 at 02:19, Lucifers Hero said:

The AFL twitter is a bit confusing.   Are they waiting for a club to be interested or 'need another club to participate' ie a third club to make a deal happen that we can get done, hence in 'the hands of the dees' comment...

Heard the whole interview live, was definitely more about having a club interested in taking him - likely with some kind of assurance he'll be considered first 22.

  On 06/10/2022 at 02:19, Lucifers Hero said:

 

The AFL twitter is a bit confusing.   Are they waiting for a club to be interested or 'need another club to participate' ie a third club to make a deal happen that we can get done, hence in 'the hands of the dees' comment...

The entire comment was ambiguous. 

Might give more context perhaps...

 

Tomo is an almost footballer.

Looks great when allowed to play his game, nice neat kicking action on show at VFL level but not consistent at AFL level. Plus comes unstuck when the pressure is on.

He just seems to drift through games, no sense of urgency.

I reckon he's done well to last this long at an AFL club and can't see why another club would come knocking.

I could never understand our interest.

We had shown no interest for a few years there then all of a sudden we had this failed idea of him being a wingman.

If he wants to play best 22 then he better start getting down and dirty....looks like it will be with us.

  On 06/10/2022 at 02:52, rjay said:

Tomo is an almost footballer.

Looks great when allowed to play his game, nice neat kicking action on show at VFL level but not consistent at AFL level. Plus comes unstuck when the pressure is on.

He just seems to drift through games, no sense of urgency.

I reckon he's done well to last this long at an AFL club and can't see why another club would come knocking.

I could never understand our interest.

We had shown no interest for a few years there then all of a sudden we had this failed idea of him being a wingman.

If he wants to play best 22 then he better start getting down and dirty....looks like it will be with us.

If Harrison Petty wasn’t at the club, Tommo would be a fine tall back to free up Lever.

  On 06/10/2022 at 02:52, rjay said:

Tomo is an almost footballer.

Looks great when allowed to play his game, nice neat kicking action on show at VFL level but not consistent at AFL level. Plus comes unstuck when the pressure is on.

He just seems to drift through games, no sense of urgency.

I reckon he's done well to last this long at an AFL club and can't see why another club would come knocking.

I could never understand our interest.

We had shown no interest for a few years there then all of a sudden we had this failed idea of him being a wingman.

If he wants to play best 22 then he better start getting down and dirty....looks like it will be with us.

Short Memories. 
Played some excellent games for us before his knee popped 

 

  On 06/10/2022 at 02:59, rpfc said:

If Harrison Petty wasn’t at the club, Tommo would be a fine tall back to free up Lever.

He would be what he was at GWS, filling gaps until someone better comes along.

That's been Tomo's role all his career. A man unable to nail down a permanent position.

He's had a lasting career doing just that.

  On 06/10/2022 at 03:42, Sir Why You Little said:

Short Memories. 
Played some excellent games for us before his knee popped 

 

No, he had a few good games but the limitations he has now are nothing to do with his knee.

He had them pre knee.

His biggest limitation as 'rp' pointed out is Petty.

Even with the kneey Petty would have overtaken him not too much further into season 2021.

  On 06/10/2022 at 03:45, rjay said:

No, he had a few good games but the limitations he has now are nothing to do with his knee.

He had them pre knee.

His biggest limitation as 'rp' pointed out is Petty.

Even with the kneey Petty would have overtaken him not too much further into season 2021.

Disagree. He was excellent before Round 9 last year

  On 06/10/2022 at 02:59, rpfc said:

If Harrison Petty wasn’t at the club, Tommo would be a fine tall back to free up Lever.

No he wouldn't. If that was the case, other clubs would be chasing him big time. Tim Lamb came out and said that we are well covered in that area. In other words, Tomlinson is down the pecking order.

There was a reason why he didn't finish top 10 in the Casey BnF, and other defenders Buntine and Ellison did. Tomlinson quite often got caught in no mans land when the opposition won a contested possession and kicked long. And he's not a good one-on-one defender either. His stat line would look good because he took the kick-outs and played on, and also would get a lot of handball receives. 

Would love to see another club take him off our hands, but I fear he'll be a list clogger on good money for the next 2 years.

Frankly, this thread doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

Tommo doesn't seem to have any suitors and he's a contracted player so unless there's evidence of actual outside interest, he stays.

End of story.

  On 06/10/2022 at 03:49, mo64 said:

No he wouldn't. If that was the case, other clubs would be chasing him big time. Tim Lamb came out and said that we are well covered in that area. In other words, Tomlinson is down the pecking order.

There was a reason why he didn't finish top 10 in the Casey BnF, and other defenders Buntine and Ellison did. Tomlinson quite often got caught in no mans land when the opposition won a contested possession and kicked long. And he's not a good one-on-one defender either. His stat line would look good because he took the kick-outs and played on, and also would get a lot of handball receives. 

Would love to see another club take him off our hands, but I fear he'll be a list clogger on good money for the next 2 years.

He is in the sights because of his wage not because ‘he is down the order’; we can’t have $500k playing at Casey. He did his ACL last year and was great as a gorilla tamer. He can do that again for us if they want to play Petty forward. Or they can back Turner and save his wage, but I still think he can play a role at AFL level in a good team in the backline.

Assuming a salary of $500k would you pay $150k pa for 2 years to move him on

 

  On 06/10/2022 at 02:52, rjay said:

Tomo is an almost footballer.

Looks great when allowed to play his game, nice neat kicking action on show at VFL level but not consistent at AFL level. Plus comes unstuck when the pressure is on.

He just seems to drift through games, no sense of urgency.

I reckon he's done well to last this long at an AFL club and can't see why another club would come knocking.

I could never understand our interest.

We had shown no interest for a few years there then all of a sudden we had this failed idea of him being a wingman.

If he wants to play best 22 then he better start getting down and dirty....looks like it will be with us.

He was a good wingman/utility at GWS, especially in that mid 10’s period when every team was attempting a kick/mark game plan like Hawthorn. Run was more important than pace.

Richmond put a lot more speed on the ball and Tomlinson became less desirable. He was shown up big time in the ‘19 finals and it was a poor decision for us to think we could keep his wing career alive.

He did a good job as a key defender, but it was a small sample size in a winning side. He actually got beaten badly in the preseason game against the dogs which was our only loss he played in. 

He should be better this year with more recovery time, but only as more acceptable depth. I hope they’re doing a lot of gymnastics and other agility training with him. 

  On 06/10/2022 at 03:45, rjay said:

No, he had a few good games but the limitations he has now are nothing to do with his knee.

He had them pre knee.

His biggest limitation as 'rp' pointed out is Petty.

Even with the kneey Petty would have overtaken him not too much further into season 2021.

Was number 1 in the league for defensive one on ones before he did his knee.

 

  On 06/10/2022 at 04:02, Diamond_Jim said:

Assuming a salary of $500k would you pay $150k pa for 2 years to move him on

 

I reckon you can find a replacement for 200k, so I’d pay anything up to 300k and still save money 

Tommo was originally a top ten draft selection, which is more fodder for those who think draft picks are over-rated and further evidence that there is no certainty with any player that is drafted at the pointy end.

  On 06/10/2022 at 03:49, mo64 said:

There was a reason why he didn't finish top 10 in the Casey BnF, and other defenders Buntine and Ellison did. Tomlinson quite often got caught in no mans land when the opposition won a contested possession and kicked long. And he's not a good one-on-one defender either. His stat line would look good because he took the kick-outs and played on, and also would get a lot of handball receives.

To be fair, he played 14 games for Casey, half of which were when he was clearly still getting his knee and fitness back.

Buntine played 16, Ellison 20, and neither are key defenders; which is usually a harder position to win votes in.

And just to add - he was number 1 in the AFL for defensive one on ones before he did his knee so I disagree he's not a good one on one defender.

Edited October 6, 20222 yr by Lord Nev

There could be a spot for him Back if Petty goes Forward.

  On 06/10/2022 at 04:11, Lord Nev said:

To be fair, he played 14 games for Casey, half of which were when he was clearly still getting his knee and fitness back.

Buntine played 16, Ellison 20, and neither are key defenders; which is usually a harder position to win votes in.

And just to add - he was number 1 in the AFL for defensive one on ones before he did his knee so I disagree he's not a good one on one defender.

Can confirm that the knee was nowhere near 100% when he returned, and heavily impacted his form this season. 

Don't be surprised if he comes back after a full preseason looking more like early 2021 Thommo. 

  On 06/10/2022 at 04:19, Davos said:

Can confirm that the knee was nowhere near 100% when he returned, and heavily impacted his form this season. 

Don't be surprised if he comes back after a full preseason looking more like early 2021 Thommo. 

If he managed to pull a ANB/TMac and come back and win his spot back it could be a very different look forward with Petty, JVR and a fully fit Gawn all potentially forward.

  On 06/10/2022 at 04:06, Lord Nev said:

Was number 1 in the league for defensive one on ones before he did his knee.

 

That's almost become the stuff of urban myth...and before you get on your high horse 'Nev' I know there are figures to back you up.

...but as 'DeeSpencer' said, it was a small sample size and in a winning team.

We will never know the answer but I suspect Petty would have taken his position before the end of 2021 even if he wasn't injured. Petty is the better player.

  On 06/10/2022 at 04:24, rjay said:

That's almost become the stuff of urban myth...and before you get on your high horse 'Nev' I know there are figures to back you up.

...but as 'DeeSpencer' said, it was a small sample size and in a winning team.

We will never know the answer but I suspect Petty would have taken his position before the end of 2021 even if he wasn't injured. Petty is the better player.

I don't use that stat to try and claim he's some kind of superstar, more that he was doing his job and holding his spot before injury.

  On 06/10/2022 at 03:42, Sir Why You Little said:

Short Memories. 
Played some excellent games for us before his knee popped 

 

Yeah I don't get this, he was unreal last year pre-injury. Everyone forgets. It's just unfortunate for Tomo that Petty is very, very good.