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Dees Turnovers vs League Average

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I might be wrong but looking at this we turn the ball over most on the defensive flank on the AFL Reserve/Shane Warne Stand wing when kicking to City end (based on his comments in corresponding Tweets that we use the opposite wing more often so assume that's the Members wing).

Also makes sense as I get the feeling we do turn the ball over most directly in front of where I am sitting lol but we target the flanks out of defense and there is a stoppage, which we generally win but turn the ball over in high pressure contests as seen against Sydney.

Looking at this holistically though we're really not that bad. We need to hold possession for longer against high pressure teams and "scrum" the ball forward. We look for clear passage out in the hope every team we play defends like North. We then over handball and run into trouble, causing the turnover. 

Suspect if we are lucky enough to face Sydney again in the Grand Final it could be a very low scoring slug of a contest. 

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    Looks like the spots where we are most predictable.

    The area we kick-in to 99% of the time and our F50 entries.

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    Weight of traffic through the Langdon wing and left forward pocket would mean we turn it over there more. Interesting to see right half forward flank randomly stick out though. Unsure if that’s due to failed switch or corridor movement when we try to run and gun if we’ve got the chance…

    Our predictable game style has its pros and cons. We know where we’ll turn it over if it happens and give ourselves a chance to setup and defend it well. On the other hand if we’re not playing well/opposition have a solid strategy in place then we just get burnt on rebound. Those numbers backup the eye test and probably show we need to have a hit more variety in offense, even if it using both sides of the ground more evenly.

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    Interesting that league avg turnovers are from corridor, 40m from attacking goal. I’d like to see a derivative of this graph where goals from turnover is also shown. And whether turnovers from forward half corridor do result in more goals than pockets. I assume  they do, but would like to see how much of difference it really is given we rarely kick it fat side from the wing.

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    10 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

    Weight of traffic through the Langdon wing and left forward pocket would mean we turn it over there more. Interesting to see right half forward flank randomly stick out though. Unsure if that’s due to failed switch or corridor movement when we try to run and gun if we’ve got the chance…

    Our predictable game style has its pros and cons. We know where we’ll turn it over if it happens and give ourselves a chance to setup and defend it well. On the other hand if we’re not playing well/opposition have a solid strategy in place then we just get burnt on rebound. Those numbers backup the eye test and probably show we need to have a hit more variety in offense, even if it using both sides of the ground more evenly.

    Exactly. Teams that know how to setup for it defensively and know exactly where to position themselves for potential turnovers in good areas can handle this fairly comfortably. We really need to vary up the ball movement and entries into the 50. I know it's probably easier said than done because if these guys have had a plan drilled into them to kick long and lock in 50 it can be hard to think of anything else in the heat of the moment. I don't know how the coach can get this across in the best way that doesn't confuse everyone but this is what is needed.

    When you look at the finals last year our best footy came from when we elected to use quick ball movement and catch the opposition off guard. Mixing this up is going to be the key, it's all about planting that seed in the opposition's mind and hitting up short when they expect us to kick long and kicking long when they least expect it and haven't got time to get set in position. When we want to control the game we can go into kicking long down the line again. 

    Much easier said than done of course. 

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    11 hours ago, DubDee said:

    My head hurts

    Your head hurting means that at least you tried to understand this. My head is fine since I understand a grand total of zilch after “Dees Turnovers vs. League Average” Yep, the thread title.

    🥴

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    Some commentary with the diagrams would help.

    In isolation do the diagrams mean much?  It would be more useful if there was a ranking of teams vs the average.  I mean bottom teams are going to turn it over a lot more than top teams so comparison to just the average is of limited use, imv.

    And to balance the story, what about turnovers 'won'...

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    For me, this is like when I look up a word to see the meaning but I need a meaning for that meaning. 

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    12 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

    Your head hurting means that at least you tried to understand this. My head is fine since I understand a grand total of zilch after “Dees Turnovers vs. League Average” Yep, the thread title.

    🥴

    My Yr 12 English teacher used to say "Thinking hurts, that's why no-one does it". 

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    One thing that I find interesting is that from our kick outs, we tend to kick to the left hand side of the player kicking in.

    And yet at the same time Langdon is always on the far side and the defensive winger on the near side.  

    So tactically, whether we kick out to the defensive winger side or the fat side (Langdon wing) is dictated by which quarter we are in.  To me this is odd - you would think that we would kick to one (the defensive side) and allow the fat side to be used more on turnover / when the switch is on.  

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    Maybe thats why we kick wide to the pockets, because Goody knows theres a high chance of turnover up the middle....:goody2:

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    1 hour ago, layzie said:

    I'm guessing one end is defensive and one end is attack? 

    Right side is attacking side.

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    2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

    Right side is attacking side.

    Thanks Lord, had a feeling. 

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    6 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

    Your head hurting means that at least you tried to understand this. My head is fine since I understand a grand total of zilch after “Dees Turnovers vs. League Average” Yep, the thread title.

    🥴

    I chat myself after reading the words 'Dees Turnovers'. Quivering, pant-wetting, sobbing, shaking uncontrollably, fedora-wearing mess. 

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    1 hour ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

    I chat myself after reading the words 'Dees Turnovers'. Quivering, pant-wetting, sobbing, shaking uncontrollably, fedora-wearing mess. 

    You wear a fedora?

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