Trade and Free Agency rumours

[Demons11 7,008]

9 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Disagree. Stewart is awesome, and Cameron’s had a fantastic year. But Selwood and Danger flash in and out and Hawkins is excellent but only at one thing - plonking himself 30 out from goal and winning a one on one. Takes a lot of system around him.

Guthrie, Blicavs and Atkins have been the consistent driving forces of their midfield this year. Their small forwards have been excellent. And whilst Stewart (pick 40 btw) is the key to their backline they’re no name guys all do the job.

Its all irrelevant though. I’m not looking for stars. We’re looking to upgrade or create more competition for our bottom 6 

We have lots of competition for our bottom 6, the VFL just won the flag after a nearly faultless season.  We don’t want for much other then another forward or 2.  

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[DeeSpencer 25,679]

20 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I'm not sure what your definition of 'fail' is but I don't see any on that list.

 

Bedford might be alright but he hasn’t got a permanent spot in 4 years. Same for Chandler. And early days for Deak Smith but it’s not looking great.

Baker, Nietschke, Hore, Bedford, Chandler, Lockhart, Wagner, Bradtke, Walker, Dunkley, M Brown, Bennell, Daw, Deak Smith, Declase.

So far it’s 0 from 15 from 2017-20.

In 2016 he went 1 (Hannan) with 5 strike outs (Johnston, Filipovic, Smith, Keilty, Maynard). 0 from 4 in 2015 unless you’re a Joel Smith believer or really liked liked Josh Wagner.

1 in 24 played 50 games. Not expecting miracles here. But a couple more 50 gamers would give us a deeper list. 

Edited September 19, 2022 by DeeSpencer

[DeeSpencer 25,679]

Double post 

Edited September 19, 2022 by DeeSpencer

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[Lucifers Hero 39,737]

19 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Bedford might be alright but he hasn’t got a permanent spot in 4 years. Same for Chandler. And early days for Deak Smith but it’s not looking great.

Baker, Nietschke, Hore, Bedford, Chandler, Lockhart, Wagner, Bradtke, Walker, Dunkley, M Brown, Bennell, Daw, Deak Smith, Declase.

So far it’s 0 from 15 from 2017-20.

In 2016 he went 1 (Hannan) with 5 strike outs (Johnston, Filipovic, Smith, Keilty, Maynard). 0 from 4 in 2015 unless you’re a Joel Smith believer or really liked liked Josh Wagner.

1 in 24 played 50 games. Not expecting miracles here. But a couple more 50 gamers would give us a deeper list. 

Gee, nice of you to ignore all the relevant information for post 2nd round selections in my post.  Not!

You are hanging your hat on rookie selections which by definition are temporary or to 'try out'.  No-one expects many of them to become best 22 players but Chandler and Turner might

Have a look at my post again and consider JT's policy of only keeping 1st and 2nd round picks.  A smart strategy don't you think?  If you can't see the strategy you are being disingenuous and wasting eveyone's time.

I'm out!

Edited September 19, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[mo64 5,874]

30 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Disagree. Stewart is awesome, and Cameron’s had a fantastic year. But Selwood and Danger flash in and out and Hawkins is excellent but only at one thing - plonking himself 30 out from goal and winning a one on one. Takes a lot of system around him.

Guthrie, Blicavs and Atkins have been the consistent driving forces of their midfield this year. Their small forwards have been excellent. And whilst Stewart (pick 40 btw) is the key to their backline they’re no name guys all do the job.

Its all irrelevant though. I’m not looking for stars. We’re looking to upgrade or create more competition for our bottom 6 

I agree with what you're saying, but it will need a change of philosophy from our coaches and match committee. Our reluctance to drop out of form players, or rest banged up players, meant that in form VFL players like Chandler and JVR were not rewarded. 

Sam De Konning looked out of his depth at times last year, but the Cats persisted with him. I feel we missed an opportunity to blood JVR this year.

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18 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

We have lots of competition for our bottom 6, the VFL just won the flag after a nearly faultless season.  We don’t want for much other then another forward or 2.  

So much competition that the coach won’t play them. And say what you want about Goodwin let’s stop with this idea he doesn’t play kids or has no idea what he’s doing. He just won a flag with a bunch of young players. 

Key back: Turner, if he can add to his game and string together, wasn’t really ready this year 
Small back; Bowey 
Midfield: nothing.
Forward: Chandler and Bedford are ok, but Chandler’s slow and Bedford lacks composure 

Our VFL won the flag because our list management has flooded the list with good VFL players and Casey players were very strong. It says little of how many future AFL players we’ve got developing.

[DeeSpencer 25,679]

1 minute ago, mo64 said:

Sam De Konning looked out of his depth at times last year, but the Cats persisted with him. I feel we missed an opportunity to blood JVR this year.

He played 1 game last year against North in round 5 as a forward/ruck. Tell me how that influenced his season this year?

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3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He played 1 game last year against North in round 5 as a forward/ruck. Tell me how that influenced his season this year?

Oops, I'm confusing De Konning with Kolodjashnij. It was Kolo who looked out of his depth in the final against us. 

[DeeSpencer 25,679]

7 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Gee, nice of you to ignore all the relevant information for post 2nd round selections in my post.  Not!

You are hanging your hat on rookie selections which by definition are temporary or to 'try out'.  No-one expects many of them to become best 22 players but Chandler and Turner might

Have a look at my post again and consider JT's policy of only keeping 1st and 2nd round picks.  A smart strategy don't you think?  If you can't see the strategy you are being disingenuous and wasting eveyone's time.

I’ve listed all of the picks. Not cherry picked in any way except stopping at Turner.

A run of 0 from 15 at this stage from Hannan to Turner.

Yes, no one expects a great return, but a return better than 0 would sure be nice. Of course some have been ready made types. Majak went so well he quit when we needed a ruckman! When we needed a key forward we went with Melksham over Mitch Brown.

Lack of 3rd rounders has been partly because of shallow draft pools, mid season and pre season listing and other factors limiting the draft. I have no issue with JT not taking many of them. Means more rookies and other ways to fill out the list.

I don’t understand why you’re so aggrieved.  The strategy has not been to completely wipe out on late picks. We’ve added guys who were a slim chance to make it or contribute and none of them have. 

[Demons11 7,008]

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

So much competition that the coach won’t play them. And say what you want about Goodwin let’s stop with this idea he doesn’t play kids or has no idea what he’s doing. He just won a flag with a bunch of young players. 

Key back: Turner, if he can add to his game and string together, wasn’t really ready this year 
Small back; Bowey 
Midfield: nothing.
Forward: Chandler and Bedford are ok, but Chandler’s slow and Bedford lacks composure 

Our VFL won the flag because our list management has flooded the list with good VFL players and Casey players were very strong. It says little of how many future AFL players we’ve got developing.

That’s called depth with the good VFL players you are talking about.  As for the kids you neglected to mention JVR, Howes, Woewodin and Moniz who all showed a bit this year.  The kids you mention all have flaws that’s why they play VFL to develop and iron out their flaws.  I’m not sure what uiu expect a list to look like but no team in the AFL has 40 players of quality who are all ready to play AFL. 

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I wonder if Dunstan will look elsewhere?

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55 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Bedford might be alright but he hasn’t got a permanent spot in 4 years. Same for Chandler. And early days for Deak Smith but it’s not looking great.

Baker, Nietschke, Hore, Bedford, Chandler, Lockhart, Wagner, Bradtke, Walker, Dunkley, M Brown, Bennell, Daw, Deak Smith, Declase.

So far it’s 0 from 15 from 2017-20.

In 2016 he went 1 (Hannan) with 5 strike outs (Johnston, Filipovic, Smith, Keilty, Maynard). 0 from 4 in 2015 unless you’re a Joel Smith believer or really liked liked Josh Wagner.

1 in 24 played 50 games. Not expecting miracles here. But a couple more 50 gamers would give us a deeper list. 

Since 2013 I can list 17 players that Geelong have recruited after the second draft round that did not play a game. That is out of a total of 24. Only 7 have played more than one game. All clubs have a list like you have quoted above that make you think their club has recruited poorly after R2. As Luci has said its been a strategy to since 2018 that we trade late picks to get higher draft picks. You need to do a little more homework before you start making your signature grandiose statements. 

Edited September 19, 2022 by djr

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Where’s Dr Evil? He got everyone going with his Isaac Smith mail a couple of years ago. 

[DeeSpencer 25,679]

23 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

That’s called depth with the good VFL players you are talking about.  As for the kids you neglected to mention JVR, Howes, Woewodin and Moniz who all showed a bit this year.  The kids you mention all have flaws that’s why they play VFL to develop and iron out their flaws.  I’m not sure what uiu expect a list to look like but no team in the AFL has 40 players of quality who are all ready to play AFL. 

The first year kids look promising but apart from JVR can any be seriously tipped to contribute next year? JVR is what we need. Turner is what we need. Bowey is what we need. But mostly they’re taking over from the ageing guys. I don’t think we’ve got enough young talent to cut best 22 players unless we’re trading in ready to go replacements is my point.  

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4 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

Saying that Taylor has an awful record outside the top 2 rounds is like saying that Tony Lockett has an awful record outside of taking marks and kicking goals. 

That Dennis Lillee bloke was absolutely sh%thouse in Pakistan and Sri Lanka. And have you seen Pat Cummins's stats against Bangladesh? 

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9 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The first year kids look promising but apart from JVR can any be seriously tipped to contribute next year? JVR is what we need. Turner is what we need. Bowey is what we need. But mostly they’re taking over from the ageing guys. I don’t think we’ve got enough young talent to cut best 22 players unless we’re trading in ready to go replacements is my point.  

It was only 4 months ago that the media was saying how scary our list was. 

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10 minutes ago, djr said:

It was only 4 months ago that the media was saying how scary our list was. 

The media (shock horror) were wrong.

Plenty of us were saying we didn’t do enough to change the list last year.

Our depth talls were questionable, hence why we targeted JVR in the draft. Ruck was so shallow and we stuck with Maj. Our mids were so shallow we had to get Dunstan just to have a physical body. And we attempted to flick Melksham.

We had the premiership 22, JJ and Hunt. Then some mild hope for Bedford and Chandler. Tomlinson was expected to bounce back and it was year 15 of hoping Joel Smith got through a year without a serious injury. 

12 months later and the only fresh young players who look like impacting next year are JVR and Turner and they combined for 0.5 of a game and need time as young talls.

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Jon Ralph - “Brisbane are still a real chance to get Gunston” 

On The Couch just now…

Still no MFC / Gunston link in the media. 
 

He also said Grundy wants to come to the Dees are is excited by the prospect of joining us. 

Edited September 19, 2022 by Vineytime

[Demons11 7,008]

32 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The first year kids look promising but apart from JVR can any be seriously tipped to contribute next year? JVR is what we need. Turner is what we need. Bowey is what we need. But mostly they’re taking over from the ageing guys. I don’t think we’ve got enough young talent to cut best 22 players unless we’re trading in ready to go replacements is my point.  

We have enough young talent playing in the senior side.  Most of our guns still have their best years ahead of them 

[DubDee 25,842]

Talk of the dogs expecting 2 first round draft picks for Dunkley? 

good player but not a dominant star. Madness!

[DubDee 25,842]

2 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

 

Would be interesting to see picks v finals and flags. So few number 1 picks win a flag you have to think they are not the answer in isolation as we know 

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12 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Talk of the dogs expecting 2 first round draft picks for Dunkley? 

good player but not a dominant star. Madness!

That would make Jackson worth at least 3, probably 4 😜

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29 minutes ago, Vineytime said:

Jon Ralph - “Brisbane are still a real chance to get Gunston” 

On The Couch just now…

Still no MFC / Gunston link in the media. 
 

He also said Grundy wants to come to the Dees are is excited by the prospect of joining us. 

Fagan is the anti Goodwin. You score 150 points, we’ll score 160.

They need to fix up their defence, not strengthen their forward line further.