PODCAST: Rd 13 vs Collingwood

[Demonland 71,629]

Join @george_on_the_outer, @binman & I on the Demonland Podcast Wednesday night 15th June LIVE @ 8:30pm for breakdown of the Round 13 loss to Collingwood.

Listen & Chat LIVE: https://demonland.com/podcast

Call: 03 9016 3666

Skype: Demonland31

Edited June 14, 2022 by george_on_the_outer

[ElDiablo14 4,991]

I think we need to discuss the top 3 concerns and urgent fixes this team needs.

In my view:

A) Major overhaul of the fwd line and structure. Need a new approach to how we want to attack, maybe kick more and think less (see ANB or Harmes forcing kicks to teammates even when there is an open goal). I much prefer behinds than turnovers on that side of the ground.

B) Mid-field struggles, clearly there are a couple of players not at the level from last year. Brayshaw to play more as inside midfielder?

C) May-dependence. We need to find a way to keep our defensive strength even when someone like May, or Petty for that matter, is out.

Looking forward to hear your thoughts on these points.

[Demonland 71,629]

The show has now been postponed until tomorrow (Wednesday night) as I have an prior, unbeknownst to me, engagement tonight.

Apologies to anyone who cancelled their own plans to listen to 3 grown men cry for an hour and a half.

[Webber 10,454]

Match of the round this week I reckon. Andy’s MFCSS vs. binman’s calm optimism. Surely gonna test George’s mettle to sit somewhere in between, albeit with some expected queries over ANB’s position in the team 😉. Can’t wait! 

[BillyBeane 253]

@binman A perfect storm of loading, an unsettled side and punch ons in french restaurants has appeared to beleaguer the club.  Did you notice in the third quarter we seemed to really want to ice the clock (short passes)? I also noticed that Gawn was warming up on the bench toward the end of the third term, but then as we managed to hold the pies at that point he went back to sitting on the bench.  Would it be a fair observation to say that we were trying to hold Collingwood in that 3rd quarter for a last roll of the dice in the last?

Loading, loading, loading.  We have a hard run home, hopefully this calculated program pays off

[Demonland 71,629]

41 minutes ago, Webber said:

Match of the round this week I reckon. Andy’s MFCSS vs. binman’s calm optimism. Surely gonna test George’s mettle to sit somewhere in between, albeit with some expected queries over ANB’s position in the team 😉. Can’t wait! 

I'm not convinced that loading is the issue.

Here's where I am on the MFCSS scale.

[binman 42,691]

2 hours ago, BillyBeane said:

  Did you notice in the third quarter we seemed to really want to ice the clock (short passes)? 

Would it be a fair observation to say that we were trying to hold Collingwood in that 3rd quarter for a last roll of the dice in the last?

 

I did, in large because two of my mates who I was sitting wirh were screaming at us to move rhe ball all quarter!

I definitely think we were looking to slow rhe game down and hold the pies.

But my theory is they did so, not so much to conserve energy for an assault in the last, but to conserve energy full stop.

By that I mean, you could see they were gassed.

It doesn't actually matter what the cause was, their fatigue could not be more obvious (tracc was totally gassed for instance and had no power at all in terms of bursting from stoppages).

And equally you could see that the pies were less fatigued. 

So I reckon the dees were trying to take the speed completely out of the game as that was the best way to stay in the contest.

The pies eventually got control of the tempo and put speed on tbe ball. And, just like freo and the swans, ran over the top of us.

Again, leaving aside the cause (because lthe idea of loading seems to be very triggering for some people) it was as clear as day that we simply couldn't go with them.

[BillyBeane 253]

4 hours ago, binman said:

 

But my theory is they did so, not so much to conserve energy for an assault in the last, but to conserve energy full stop.

By that I mean, you could see they were gassed.

 

Yup trying to conserve full stop.  At the ground it's very obvious in the last 3 games that we have been running on the spot in the second half.  And it triggers a knock on that affects everything we are trying do.

Petracca has looked gassed for a while, he must be carrying something, last year no one could stop him with a tackle, he's getting caught all the time now. 

An interesting month ahead.

[BillyBeane 253]

7 hours ago, Demonland said:

I'm not convinced that loading is the issue.

Here's where I am on the MFCSS scale.

Well you could be right, last season was a very long one, and while we breezed through our finals, by all reports we trained HARD in those six weeks in Adelaide/Perth.  We could just be out of puff.  Time will tell.

The effect of having an unsettled side is underestimated.  The ins/outs this year is no comparison to last year.  It's quite extraordinary that we got to 10-0.

Edited June 14, 2022 by BillyBeane

[Demonland 71,629]

Join @george_on_the_outer, @binman & I on the Demonland Podcast  TONIGHT Wednesday night 15th June LIVE @ 8:30pm for breakdown of the Round 13 loss to Collingwood.

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[3183 Dee 2,853]

I would love to see @binmanproved right, at the end of the season - I really enjoy this calm analysis, although can’t 100% buy into it yet (like @DemonlandI still have a touch of the MFCSS). However, if they did end up tapering and producing the stuff we saw last year it would be effing glorious!

For me, the reason for my partial MFCSS return is that I was looking forward to seeing a season full of the football we witnessed at the end of last year, which we now know is unrealistic. What do the lads think about the Burgo Effect? I’m sure Selwyn is a great replacement, but Burgo seemed to be like an extra coach: I wonder if they’re missing that element?

Looking forward to hearing the podcast. 

[Demonland 71,629]

1 hour ago, 3183 Dee said:

I would love to see @binmanproved right, at the end of the season - I really enjoy this calm analysis, although can’t 100% buy into it yet (like @DemonlandI still have a touch of the MFCSS). However, if they did end up tapering and producing the stuff we saw last year it would be effing glorious!

For me, the reason for my partial MFCSS return is that I was looking forward to seeing a season full of the football we witnessed at the end of last year, which we now know is unrealistic. What do the lads think about the Burgo Effect? I’m sure Selwyn is a great replacement, but Burgo seemed to be like an extra coach: I wonder if they’re missing that element?

Looking forward to hearing the podcast. 

Burgo was a fixture on the bench, a step down from Goodwin. You would see him all game pulling the strings. I'm not sure I'd be able to pick Selwyn out of a line up. I'm not poo pooing his job but the jury will be out until this "loading" period is over.

[von 1,559]

Burgo had the luxury of a largely uninterrupted injury run. Makes all the difference. The injuries we are getting aren’t the fitness guys fault. They are joints and knocks etc. They are the law of averages coming back around. I was hoping the great law of averages man in the sky would give us a few extra years before coming for us.

[Vipercrunch 2,827]

I did some reseaarch this afternoon about previous premiers.  Apart from Hawthorn in 2015, and ignoring 2020 which was so impacted by COVID, all other sides since 2014 have perfromed worse in the middle of the season compared to the rest.  Melbourne 2021 had the biggest drop off, Richmond 2017 close behind.

I was surprised that Melbourne last year was the most dominate season in that time.  It's more than possible to win premierships while also losing 6 or 7 games during the home and away season.

[Demonland 71,629]

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[Doug Reemer 1,195]

Love the pod. Never remember to listen to it live might do it tonight!

A few points I'd like to raise.

 

The Backline.

Hibberd's first game back was incredibly underrated (no media attention at all), he may have made one bad clanger, but other than that, it was like he hasn't missed a beat, along with Brayshaw and a gutsy Petty (earning alot of respect at the moment playing banged up) we would have lost by 10 goals without those three.

However with May back next week I would argue that now is the time to move Brayshaw back to the wing the problem with that is that Jordan has taken the wing role given to him really well, could Jordan play a Half Forward role? 

IMO Brayshaw's kicking into the F50 would definitely help us going in.

The Forward Line

We need a pack crunching Key Forward. I lost faith in the Weid last year, but what other options do we have? Does Van Rooyen even though he is young come in and just get the licence to LEAD & FLY at the packs? The way he plays reminds me of a young Hogan (not as clinical) but just as brave.

Bedford has to come in at the expense of one Spargo or ANB, neither one of them is applying enough pressure at the moment, get a kid in who is dog hungry to run chase tackle and from what I've seen take his chances!

Also going forward, when Joel Smith comes back from injury can he go forward like he was being tried back in 2019 in Brisbane in that practice match he kicked 6-7 as we run him into the ground.

The R🤯CK!

Majak was picked up as insurance. Can he come in and play a Jackson like role while Jackson takes on the #1 Ruck role? 

 

 

 

 

 

[RedsoxMan 144]

Can you pls  discuss Ben Browns near impossible ability to take a 1 grab mark?

 Thanks.  

[Clintosaurus 7,838]

1 minute ago, RedsoxMan said:

Can you pls  discuss Ben Browns near impossible ability to take a 1 grab mark?

 Thanks.  

I'm watching 100-7 and have seen 2 already.

[1964_2 2,357]

All you "demons bashers" need to listen in to the Demonland podcast :- Some A+ content being discussed right now. 

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

8 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

All you "demons bashers" need to listen in to the Demonland podcast :- Some A+ content being discussed right now. 

only if it fits your narrative

 

*agitator...

love you all and farewell...

how i hate middle age..... in between 'acceptance and rage;....

 

Edited June 15, 2022 by Engorged Onion

[layzie 33,753]

2 hours ago, Vipercrunch said:

I did some reseaarch this afternoon about previous premiers.  Apart from Hawthorn in 2015, and ignoring 2020 which was so impacted by COVID, all other sides since 2014 have perfromed worse in the middle of the season compared to the rest.  Melbourne 2021 had the biggest drop off, Richmond 2017 close behind.

I was surprised that Melbourne last year was the most dominate season in that time.  It's more than possible to win premierships while also losing 6 or 7 games during the home and away season.

This is brilliant.

[1964_2 2,357]

2 hours ago, Vipercrunch said:

I did some reseaarch this afternoon about previous premiers.  Apart from Hawthorn in 2015, and ignoring 2020 which was so impacted by COVID, all other sides since 2014 have perfromed worse in the middle of the season compared to the rest.  Melbourne 2021 had the biggest drop off, Richmond 2017 close behind.

I was surprised that Melbourne last year was the most dominate season in that time.  It's more than possible to win premierships while also losing 6 or 7 games during the home and away season.

This is A++ research.

Have taken screenshots of all the "supporters" who have [censored] their pants during this period. Cant wait to call them out, when they get positive again towards the end of the year. 

 

[Guest]

Great discussion, guys. And thank you for explaining those graphs that have been posted of late. I now fully understand what they signify. 
There’s only one issue, a very minor issue… @binman, the “t” in “often” is called a “silent t” for a reason. 😉 

[Demonland 71,629]

 

[layzie 33,753]

40 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Great discussion, guys. And thank you for explaining those graphs that have been posted of late. I now fully understand what they signify. 
There’s only one issue, a very minor issue… @binman, the “t” in “often” is called a “silent t” for a reason. 😉 

I think both are acceptable aren't they? I had an Oxford dictionary once that had both pronunciations.

Edited June 15, 2022 by layzie