Complacency

[Demon17 5,044]

2 weeks ago prior to freo game Goodwin called a whole of club midweek  meeting at Casey out of the blue. Players down to proverbial boot studders

He addressed his concerns about complacency creeping inside the club.

Its a thing and he's concerned.

Source? An attendee at the session.

[BDA 22,238]

Just now, Demon17 said:

2 weeks ago prior to freo game Goodwin called a whole of club midweek  meeting at Casey out of the blue. Players down to proverbial boot studders

He addressed his concerns about complacency creeping inside the club.

Its a thing and he's concerned.

Source? An attendee at the session.

sure looks like it

we're just not at it like we should be

I'm glad Goody is onto it

[Jaded No More 67,612]

Unfortunately it appears the meeting didn’t help. 

[John Crow Batty 8,764]

Twice giving up strong leads suggest so.

[Demon17 5,044]

2 minutes ago, BDA said:

sure looks like it

we're just not at it like we should be

I'm glad Goody is onto it

Goodwin is taking it seriously which is a plus.

An announcement was made over the P A at the time at Casey. Everyone ordered upstairs with no notice. It was serious stuff.

Freo we fell apart with injuries. Tonight was better but horrid execution.

QB will tell.

[Lord Travis 10,455]

Not surprised if true. We’ve been poor for over a month now and were lucky we played Kangas and Eagles, statistically two of the worst sides in a decade. Our current form is middle of the road and with injuries to key players and lack of tall forward depth we’re now at a crossroads. We’ll obviously make finals comfortably, but if we’re not throwing everything at it and challenging then we’re wasting our window.

Heres hoping for a reset after the bye and hitting top form leading into finals. Better we struggle now rather than later.

[Blue-and-red 91]

It’s been there since the start of the year, too many players waiting for the easy ball, running ahead of the ball, not doing pressure acts, we’re in real trouble now that we are playing better teams

[leucopogon 1,517]

Sure playing like it. Gone is all that manic forward half pressure, chaining of hanballs, and centre square dominance. Now we look to smother instead of tackling and fumbling, going to ground, double grabbing at marks, and handballing to stationary targets has become the norm.

[Gorgoroth 12,700]

Complacency huh… how’s his coaching? He nor his assistants have done anything about the f50 entries. This is like not reviewing the Prelim. It’s repeating the same mistakes and hoping to get a good result. 
Don’t get me wrong I’m happy to hear Thai but I think most of our troubles of late stem from the fact he is being out coached on game day. They are adjusting mid game and we aren’t. He is staying with the same tactics all game. 

[At the break of Gawn 4,408]

Goody admitted on SEN this wee

33 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Complacency huh… how’s his coaching? He nor his assistants have done anything about the f50 entries. This is like not reviewing the Prelim. It’s repeating the same mistakes and hoping to get a good result. 
Don’t get me wrong I’m happy to hear Thai but I think most of our troubles of late stem from the fact he is being out coached on game day. They are adjusting mid game and we aren’t. He is staying with the same tactics all game. 

Goody admitted on SEN this week that he struggles against the most experienced coaches (and mentioned Longmire). This game is just par for the course for him. His record is 2-5 against Longmire.

[Great Northern Summer 701]

7 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Goody admitted on SEN this wee

Goody admitted on SEN this week that he struggles against the most experienced coaches (and mentioned Longmire). This game is just par for the course for him. His record is 2-5 against Longmire.

What? Really? I’m staggered a head coach with a top team would actually say that.

[titan_uranus 24,559]

1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said:

Complacency huh… how’s his coaching? He nor his assistants have done anything about the f50 entries. This is like not reviewing the Prelim. It’s repeating the same mistakes and hoping to get a good result. 
Don’t get me wrong I’m happy to hear Thai but I think most of our troubles of late stem from the fact he is being out coached on game day. They are adjusting mid game and we aren’t. He is staying with the same tactics all game. 

You know he coached us to a flag last year, right?

FFS. The reactions of some, seriously.

[KingDingAling 3,737]

Petracca up forward, Kossie in the middle, Beford on, ANB perhaps in the middle - as he was going well today. Brayshaw in the middle? I’d have moved sparrow out, Viney out and obviously Petracca out. Be interesting to see whether Petracca is dropped now. Didn’t chase all day. Two weeks in a row now. We need to be more efficient going inside 50, so whoever can do that as a mid step on up put them right in under Gawn.

[Little Goffy 13,968]

Seems to me that it isn't our very best players showing signs of complacency, though.

I wonder if there's a few lesser lights who are just kind of coasting now - maybe feeling very much like passengers.

I don't mean that necessarily in a lazy or irresponsible sense, so much as they are struggling a little with motivation when they know they are 'Player 19th-25th'.

The bye is coming at a good time (as always) but I'd like to see us get the system back working properly against Collingwood and get a solid win just so we have a little positive reinforcement.

[Demon Dynasty 17,084]

1 hour ago, KingDingAling said:

Petracca up forward, Kossie in the middle, Beford on, ANB perhaps in the middle - as he was going well today. Brayshaw in the middle? I’d have moved sparrow out, Viney out and obviously Petracca out. Be interesting to see whether Petracca is dropped now. Didn’t chase all day. Two weeks in a row now. We need to be more efficient going inside 50, so whoever can do that as a mid step on up put them right in under Gawn.

Would love to see Bedford get a bit more game time.

We lack some serious speed and far too often fail to finish in front of goal when we get on the end of some good work up the field.  Bedford offers speed and the ability to finish off the work.

Problem is who makes way.  Sparrow maybe?  Seems to have had some fairly ordinary moments in the last few weeks or am i being to critical? (overlooking the good bits?).

[KingDingAling 3,737]

4 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Would love to see Bedford get a bit more game time.

We lack some serious speed and far too often fail to finish in front of goal when we get on the end of some good work up the field.  Bedford offers speed and the ability to finish off the work.

Problem is who makes way.  Sparrow maybe?  Seems to have had some fairly ordinary moments in the last few weeks or am i being to critical? (overlooking the good bits?).

Sparrow can go back to the VFL and focus on becoming more efficient by foot. 

[Gorgoroth 12,700]

9 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

You know he coached us to a flag last year, right?

FFS. The reactions of some, seriously.

Yeah I do. Doesn’t mean he can’t have flaws.

Teams always work out other teams. I remember a coach (I think it was Clarkson) saying halfway through the year the game plan would be different as teams nullified your strengths from earlier in the year. 
we beat teams early in the year not playing well, our first half vs Saints was amazing, but we haven’t got close to that since. We are still playing one qtr here, burst there, difference is we are now playing better teams and we have now lost two to interstate clubs at the G.

He is being out coached but not doing anything different. When we were getting smashed out of the middle last week and this, did he try Kozzie or Brayshaw or Salem in there? Took til the last half of the 4th qtr to put Weid back, and our forward line always looks like a train in India, way too full and going very slowly.

[BDA 22,238]

If Goody thinks complacency is the issue then he needs to make a statement or 2 at the selection table. Bedford has done nothing wrong so should start against the pies, not sure who he comes in for. Perhaps give one of Spargo, Sparrow or Hunt a week off as well. Send a message

[titan_uranus 24,559]

10 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

Petracca up forward, Kossie in the middle, Beford on, ANB perhaps in the middle - as he was going well today. Brayshaw in the middle? I’d have moved sparrow out, Viney out and obviously Petracca out. Be interesting to see whether Petracca is dropped now. Didn’t chase all day. Two weeks in a row now. We need to be more efficient going inside 50, so whoever can do that as a mid step on up put them right in under Gawn.

The only thing interesting about this question is that you've asked it.

1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said:

Yeah I do. Doesn’t mean he can’t have flaws.

Teams always work out other teams. I remember a coach (I think it was Clarkson) saying halfway through the year the game plan would be different as teams nullified your strengths from earlier in the year. 
we beat teams early in the year not playing well, our first half vs Saints was amazing, but we haven’t got close to that since. We are still playing one qtr here, burst there, difference is we are now playing better teams and we have now lost two to interstate clubs at the G.

He is being out coached but not doing anything different. When we were getting smashed out of the middle last week and this, did he try Kozzie or Brayshaw or Salem in there? Took til the last half of the 4th qtr to put Weid back, and our forward line always looks like a train in India, way too full and going very slowly.

One of the principal reasons we won the flag and then won 17 in a row was that we have a system and we back the system in.

I'm absolutely in favour of Goodwin not changing things up drastically, as you're wishing he did, after two losses.

Instead, I think he's right to have approached things by working on the parts of our game that are obviously down (mid-forward connection and turnovers) which, when fixed, can result in our usual system working.

Throwing random players around the ground didn't get us to last year's flag and I don't think is the answer.

Also, he moved Weideman back halfway into the 3rd quarter, not the 4th, and that was probably the right timing given we were 20 points up halfway through the third.

[Gorgoroth 12,700]

3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

The only thing interesting about this question is that you've asked it.

One of the principal reasons we won the flag and then won 17 in a row was that we have a system and we back the system in.

I'm absolutely in favour of Goodwin not changing things up drastically, as you're wishing he did, after two losses.

Instead, I think he's right to have approached things by working on the parts of our game that are obviously down (mid-forward connection and turnovers) which, when fixed, can result in our usual system working.

Throwing random players around the ground didn't get us to last year's flag and I don't think is the answer.

Also, he moved Weideman back halfway into the 3rd quarter, not the 4th, and that was probably the right timing given we were 20 points up halfway through the third.

And not changing took us from a prelim to the bottom.

Winning the flag last year doesn’t mean that formula works forever more. We need to change and adapt. 
right now we are beating most teams without playing great football. 
But it’s now not working and needs to change. We are too tall up forward, our kicking inside 50 is as bad as it gets, there is no room for our forwards to lead and when the ball comes in Fritta or Brown are well outnumbered.
I don’t think it will work well. If we play similar next week Moore and Howe will have 10 marks each. 
At minimum I’d drop M Brown and bring in a smaller/medium forward who pressures and I’d put Brayshaw back to the wing. 

The connection is key, but it requires change. I don’t think what we did last year will work. We won so many clean exits from the contests that we no longer can as opponents set up to stifle that. 
And when teams go on massive runs of goals we do need to change things to give opponents a dif look, but we don’t. Try going small up forward for 10 mins etc.