POSTGAME: Rd 12 vs Sydney

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14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If this [censored] gets your gripe then sound advice would be to shut your account down and don't bother writing on here. Because there is currently for worse comments written on here and the changes thread compared to what I just wrote.

I'll tell you was worse on and it was your Demon Army for barely making any noise once again tonight.

I’m hardly gonna shut my account down because of one classless poster who doesn’t know the difference between critique and insult. 
 

Oh and I formally invite you to come over to our bay next week to tell the rest of the Army we don’t make enough noise. I’m sure it'll be well received. 

Edited June 4, 2022 by WalkingCivilWar

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,083]

Yep Ben Brown (our Full forward) was on the bench for the last 8:54

[Devil In Disguise 2,278]

27 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Cool timing with the mid season draft just gone...

 

Just thinking exactly the same thing.

[layzie 33,736]

8 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

There is a perceived gap based on our best VS the rest. That is where we should be. Our best isn’t achieved often enough. Our average leaves us a game clear. We are the best side on our best day.

A lot of teams are very good on their day, the reality is you aren't playing your absolute best 100% of the time 23 games a season. Respect your view but I stand by mine .

[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

Sparrows handball, Fritta’s kick at goal and Max hurrying his kick into f50. 3 mistakes and we lost

Plus Levers mark and play on followed by a dropped mark a couple of minutes later.

[dees189227 12,367]

I've never seen us get caught with the ball as many times as tonight.

I think we went back to overhand balling again & at times it was unnecessary.

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,220]

Very disappointing.

Putting money on the Swans at ridiculous odds only goes a small way to dealing with this disappointment.

It reminded me of that dreadful match against the filth years ago when we kept bombing it forward and Oxley took 16 marks.

Sam Reid = latter day Kent Kingsley.

[dazzledavey36 54,199]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Plus Levers mark and play on followed by a dropped mark a couple of minutes later.

I'm still trying work out what on earth was he thinking there.. 

It just summed up our night as a while.

[Tarax Club 3,879]

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Umpires Putrid but we were worse, too many down hill skiers. God I hate Papley🤯

Snow season did start a week early!

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,337]

Geez, North aside we must have the least intimidating home ground support of all the Melbourne based sides. 

[titan_uranus 24,965]

There's plenty to think about and cause for concern, but not for most of the reasons people are suggesting in here.

If you're potting the backline, you're focusing on the wrong thing. What did they score from turnover tonight? I don't know the number but i know it was far too much.

If you're potting our lack of forward half pressure, you're focusing on the wrong thing. We can't pressure them if they're marking it, and they marked it far too much.

We lost this game in two areas - belted in the middle in the second quarter, and a horrendous lack of connection in the forward half in the second half.

We held them to two scoring shots in the third quarter, they barely had a look at goal. We had 16 inside 50s. But we scored 1 goal. Then in the fourth quarter we still generated opportunities but whether it was Fritsch not scoring from 30m out, Gawn missing from 5m out, Gawn then missing his pass, Sparrow missing his handball, Spargo centring when he should have had a shot, Viney turning at least one inside 50 kick over - this is why we lost.

Ben Brown's either injured or out of form. Regardless of the reason, he's ineffectual right now. It doesn't help that he has no foil when TMac doesn't play, and it doesn't help when we continually miss him when he's on a lead, but when he has the chance to impact he's failing to do so.

Mitch Brown's not up to it. It's sad that Weideman hasn't been able to cement his spot in the side because we are crying out for a key forward right now.

Jackson, Sparrow, ANB, Spargo and Hunt are all out of form. Last year the first four were key reasons for our flag. This year, they're not able to lift when we need.

Our poor form is compounded by Sydney, like Fremantle, playing probably their best game for the year. But that's something we have to expect now. Opposition sides set themselves for us. They plan for us, and because we're out of form, it's working.

That's all then further compounded by some critical umpiring decisions that hurt us. The late Gulden and Papley goals were from soft free kicks. The early Reid goal was not a mark. And in the third, ANB and Oliver were both denied 50 metre penalties that were there (in ANB's case would have led to a certain goal). But the umpiring compounds the poor form, it doesn't cause it. 

It's hardly time to throw babies out with bathwater, because the first quarter is a reminder that our best is still the best, but we need to fix our forward half connection very soon, or we're not going to make the most of this season.

[Yze_13 283]

People are hard to please. We’re 10-2 and playing barely average football. It’s impossible to be up for 23 weeks.

Sydney played out of their skin tonight and we were two free kicks and a bit of composure away from winning the game. Keep the faith.

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,291]

I’m completely [censored] off …that last quarter was pathetic .. umpires were horrendous, but our failure to hit targets and lack of intensity is inexcusable. Putrid. Ben Brown needs to give me, but it’s not on him, the delivery was gross. Just some really dumb play. All over the ground. From senior blokes. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

51 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Agree on attending the games, but the noise is proportional to the display on the field.

The team needs to turn it up otherwise we can have full house and still be as quiet as a cemetery

We kicked 6 of the first 7 goals and it sounded like a suburban game. 32k against Sydney who I reckon had at least 50% of the support if not outnumbered us and FAR louder. Where are the Melbourne supporters? Bloody pissweak.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

I just stepped in dog [censored]. That about sums about my week and this game. 

[dazzledavey36 54,199]

We kicked 2.6 in the 2nd half after kicking 7.1 in the first half...

[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

27 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

I think I’m just going to let Binman work out what happened tonight when I listen to the podcast on my Monday night run.  

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[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We kicked 2.6 in the 2nd half after kicking 7.1 in the first half...

We dominated the 3rd quarter and kicked 1 goal. Should've put the game to bed then and there but shot ourselves in the foot.

[titan_uranus 24,965]

Focusing on the positives for just a second:

Gawn was phenomenal tonight, should get 3 Brownlow votes for that. Bounced back from being beaten by Darcy last week in stellar fashion.

Petty was our best key defender despite a knee and a shoulder injury. Salem looked great early - not sure he ran the game out all that well though. Brayshaw's still composed as ever in the backline. 

And of course, most of us looked at that game and thought we were pretty poor and yet we led for most of the night. Which is the glass half full reminder that we're not as far off as the losses make you think.

[Fork 'em 6,983]

19 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Geez, North aside we must have the least intimidating home ground support of all the Melbourne based sides. 

Don't kid yourself.
For a side sitting on top the ladder.
We're hopeless.

Gawny wants to win a flag in front of the fans at the 'G'.
And we're not turning up to see it.
We'll just kick back and watch from home thanks Max.
Little wonder our reputation is like it is.

Edited June 4, 2022 by Fork 'em

[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

19 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

There's plenty to think about and cause for concern, but not for most of the reasons people are suggesting in here.

If you're potting the backline, you're focusing on the wrong thing. What did they score from turnover tonight? I don't know the number but i know it was far too much.

If you're potting our lack of forward half pressure, you're focusing on the wrong thing. We can't pressure them if they're marking it, and they marked it far too much.

We lost this game in two areas - belted in the middle in the second quarter, and a horrendous lack of connection in the forward half in the second half.

We held them to two scoring shots in the third quarter, they barely had a look at goal. We had 16 inside 50s. But we scored 1 goal. Then in the fourth quarter we still generated opportunities but whether it was Fritsch not scoring from 30m out, Gawn missing from 5m out, Gawn then missing his pass, Sparrow missing his handball, Spargo centring when he should have had a shot, Viney turning at least one inside 50 kick over - this is why we lost.

Ben Brown's either injured or out of form. Regardless of the reason, he's ineffectual right now. It doesn't help that he has no foil when TMac doesn't play, and it doesn't help when we continually miss him when he's on a lead, but when he has the chance to impact he's failing to do so.

Mitch Brown's not up to it. It's sad that Weideman hasn't been able to cement his spot in the side because we are crying out for a key forward right now.

Jackson, Sparrow, ANB, Spargo and Hunt are all out of form. Last year the first four were key reasons for our flag. This year, they're not able to lift when we need.

Our poor form is compounded by Sydney, like Fremantle, playing probably their best game for the year. But that's something we have to expect now. Opposition sides set themselves for us. They plan for us, and because we're out of form, it's working.

That's all then further compounded by some critical umpiring decisions that hurt us. The late Gulden and Papley goals were from soft free kicks. The early Reid goal was not a mark. And in the third, ANB and Oliver were both denied 50 metre penalties that were there (in ANB's case would have led to a certain goal). But the umpiring compounds the poor form, it doesn't cause it. 

It's hardly time to throw babies out with bathwater, because the first quarter is a reminder that our best is still the best, but we need to fix our forward half connection very soon, or we're not going to make the most of this season.

Agree although I think you're harsh on Spargo and ANB. ANB in particular was in everything especially early, those guys are role players and I think they played their roles. Its the engine room (Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Harmes) not doing enough to hurt the opposition and our tall targets with the exception of Max (Jackson, Brown, Brown, Petty, Tomlinson, Lever) not taking enough contested marks.

Edited June 4, 2022 by Dr. Gonzo

[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

1 minute ago, Fork 'em said:

Don't kid yourself.
For a side sitting on top the ladder.
We're hopeless.

Gawny wants to win a flag in front of the fans at the 'G'.
And we're not turning up to see it.
We'll just kick back and watch from home thanks Max.

It is a [censored] disgrace

[titan_uranus 24,965]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Agree although I think you're harsh on Spargo and ANB. ANB in particular was in everything especially early, those guys are role players and I think they played their roles. Its the engine room (Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Harmes) not doing enough to hurt the opposition and our tall targets with the exception of Max (Jackson, Brown, Brown, Petty, Tomlinson, Lever) not taking enough contested marks.

Spargo repeatedly takes too long to dispose of it after a mark, and repeatedly runs into the pocket then tries to pass it when he should be running straight at goal and scoring.

ANB's becoming too fumbly under pressure, although he's certainly not alone.

I'm far more lenient on Lever and Petty than most. Sydney moved the ball well, but that was in no small part because of our turnovers. We exposed our backline through giving the ball up. And that was contributed to by our forwards not just failing to mark, but failing to bring the ball to ground.

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no one thought going back to back was going to be easy

[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

What is the news on TMac? A couple of people have mentioned out for the year where did they hear this?

Edited June 4, 2022 by Dr. Gonzo