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Most goals on debut by jumper number.

Whispering_Jack
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For trivia fans, a list has been compiled by http://www.uselessaflstats.com.au/most-goals-on-debut-by-jumper-number/ of the the most goals on debut by jumper number. The following Melbourne players either hold or share these records — 

2. Robert McKenzie (1948) 5 goals 

23. Campbell Brady (1913) 5 goals — shared with Shane Fell, Sydney (1990) 

25. Mark Jackson (1981) 4 goals 

38. Bill Brunier (1914) and Ray Nilsson (1960) 3 goals  — shared with Alan Killigrew, St Kilda (1938), Colin MacNeil, Fitzroy (1959), Leo King, Geelong (1981), Michael O’Loughlin, Sydney (1995), Shane Harvey, Essendon (2002) 

44. Sean Charles (1992) 5 goals 

45. Greg McDonald (1973) 3 goals — shared with Bill Hudson, St Kilda, (1942), Rod Dell, North Melbourne (1965), Sean Ralphsmith, Hawthorn (1988), Jayden Short, Richmond (2016) 

50. Greg Wells (1969) 4 goals 

54. Brent Heaver (1990) 5 goals 

Which means that when Jacob Van Rooyen makes his debut in jumper number 21, he’ll have a tough task in equaling the record of 6 goals set by West Coast’s Daniel Metropolis in 1992.

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    15 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

    54. Brent Heaver (1990) 5 goals 

    Started with a bang and ended very quickly.....

    Though kicking 40 odd goals for the Blues in a season meant he had something.

    Missed opportunity?

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    37 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

    For trivia fans, a list has been compiled by http://www.uselessaflstats.com.au/most-goals-on-debut-by-jumper-number/ of the the most goals on debut by jumper number. The following Melbourne players either hold or share these records — 

    2. Robert McKenzie (1948) 5 goals 

    23. Campbell Brady (1913) 5 goals — shared with Shane Fell, Sydney (1990) 

    25. Mark Jackson (1981) 4 goals 

    38. Bill Brunier (1914) and Ray Nilsson (1960) 3 goals  — shared with Alan Killigrew, St Kilda (1938), Colin MacNeil, Fitzroy (1959), Leo King, Geelong (1981), Michael O’Loughlin, Sydney (1995), Shane Harvey, Essendon (2002) 

    44. Sean Charles (1992) 5 goals 

    45. Greg McDonald (1973) 3 goals — shared with Bill Hudson, St Kilda, (1942), Rod Dell, North Melbourne (1965), Sean Ralphsmith, Hawthorn (1988), Jayden Short, Richmond (2016) 

    50. Greg Wells (1969) 4 goals 

    54. Brent Heaver (1990) 5 goals 

    Which means that when Jacob Van Rooyen makes his debut in jumper number 21, he’ll have a tough task in equaling the record of 6 goals set by West Coast’s Daniel Metropolis in 1992.

    Correction.

    Greg Wells wore 11 in his first game. I attended the game and still have the record.

    We debated this over at Demonology. Demonwiki has adjusted its record with this.

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    1 hour ago, tilly18 said:

    Correction.

    Greg Wells wore 11 in his first game. I attended the game and still have the record.

    We debated this over at Demonology. Demonwiki has adjusted its record with this.

    Was it against Carlton,MCG?

    We were bottom - they were top?

    We won. 

    Late 1969? 

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    11 minutes ago, radar said:

    Was it against Carlton,MCG?

    We were bottom - they were top?

    We won. 

    Late 1969? 

    Yep, thats it. Tassie Johnsons 200th.

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    2 hours ago, Jontee said:

    Started with a bang and ended very quickly.....

    Though kicking 40 odd goals for the Blues in a season meant he had something.

    Missed opportunity?

    Managed to carve out a decent career with 92 games.

    These days he heads up Comcar.

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    2 hours ago, tilly18 said:

    Correction.

    Greg Wells wore 11 in his first game. I attended the game and still have the record.

    We debated this over at Demonology. Demonwiki has adjusted its record with this.

    I was also at Greg Wells’ debut game but I don’t recall the number guernsey he wore. 

    According to Demonwiki, he wore #57 when playing for Melbourne Reserves in 1968 and was upgraded to #50 in the following year whilst still with the Reserves.

    This is from afltables.com and it suggests that he wore #50 in his first season. What was the evidence that the change was supposed to be based upon?

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    Demonwiki has him 57 as a 68 reserves player and 50 as 69 reserves player.

    When he was promoted to the seniors he was given the number 11.

    That is a mistake by afltables. Short of Greg Wells coming on here I don''t know how to settle it.

    But as I said I  was at the game, clearly remember him wearing 11 and have held onto the record which has him listed as number 11

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    Tony Anderson began the 1969 season wearing the number 11, but due to injury he retired after the first three games.

    Wells, who had worn number 50 in the reserves,  was given the number 11 when he made his debut in round 18 and kicked four goals in what was a boilover win over top of the ladder Carlton.

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    And that’s why I’m #11-Tony Anderson 🙃

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    7 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

    For trivia fans, a list has been compiled by http://www.uselessaflstats.com.au/most-goals-on-debut-by-jumper-number/ of the the most goals on debut by jumper number. The following Melbourne players either hold or share these records — 

    2. Robert McKenzie (1948) 5 goals 

    23. Campbell Brady (1913) 5 goals — shared with Shane Fell, Sydney (1990) 

    25. Mark Jackson (1981) 4 goals 

    38. Bill Brunier (1914) and Ray Nilsson (1960) 3 goals  — shared with Alan Killigrew, St Kilda (1938), Colin MacNeil, Fitzroy (1959), Leo King, Geelong (1981), Michael O’Loughlin, Sydney (1995), Shane Harvey, Essendon (2002) 

    44. Sean Charles (1992) 5 goals 

    45. Greg McDonald (1973) 3 goals — shared with Bill Hudson, St Kilda, (1942), Rod Dell, North Melbourne (1965), Sean Ralphsmith, Hawthorn (1988), Jayden Short, Richmond (2016) 

    50. Greg Wells (1969) 4 goals 

    54. Brent Heaver (1990) 5 goals 

    Which means that when Jacob Van Rooyen makes his debut in jumper number 21, he’ll have a tough task in equaling the record of 6 goals set by West Coast’s Daniel Metropolis in 1992.

    I recall Ray Carr at full forward (MFC) got a bag nearing 8  + but not sure if it was his debut. Can't even remember the decade but possibly 1970 - '85. Sorry about that; my memory fails, at times. If I said he kicked 11 goals, it makes me closer to the mark of comfort with recall, yet things are now grey. Interesting stat and a fantastic performance --- I was there, I know that, and it was a Home game at the 'G.

     

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    13 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

    I recall Ray Carr at full forward (MFC) got a bag nearing 8  + but not sure if it was his debut. Can't even remember the decade but possibly 1970 - '85. Sorry about that; my memory fails, at times. If I said he kicked 11 goals, it makes me closer to the mark of comfort with recall, yet things are now grey. Interesting stat and a fantastic performance --- I was there, I know that, and it was a Home game at the 'G.

     

    It was the Round 3, 1970 match v North Melbourne and we lost the game by 57 points (8.16.64 to 18.13.127). We had won the opening two games of the season and went into the game with some confidence. It was Ray Carr’s third game and what made it memorable to me was the fact that he kicked 7 of our 8 goals for the day. I think he kicked 6 the following week as well. Ray was a strongly built but not tall FF and he faded out after that great start. 

    I came across him years later - he was a very good junior footy coach and also saw him occasionally on a social basis. Good bloke.

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    22 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

    It was the Round 3, 1970 match v North Melbourne and we lost the game by 57 points (8.16.64 to 18.13.127). We had won the opening two games of the season and went into the game with some confidence. It was Ray Carr’s third game and what made it memorable to me was the fact that he kicked 7 of our 8 goals for the day. I think he kicked 6 the following week as well. Ray was a strongly built but not tall FF and he faded out after that great start. 

    I came across him years later - he was a very good junior footy coach and also saw him occasionally on a social basis. Good bloke.

    Thanks for that, W_J, it was a memorable performance and the numbers meant something was being confirmed - albeit abstractly. It was a short career, he was a muscle-bound smaller bloke whose purple patch on that day remains = hazy but unforgettable. I am not sure where the 8 to 11 goals came from but it doesn't matter now, does it? Could have been points kick and if straight, goals that mey have been added to his daily tally. Your recall is a tremendous confirmation to me so thank you.

     

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    7 hours ago, tilly18 said:

    Demonwiki has him 57 as a 68 reserves player and 50 as 69 reserves player.

    When he was promoted to the seniors he was given the number 11.

    That is a mistake by afltables. Short of Greg Wells coming on here I don''t know how to settle it.

    But as I said I  was at the game, clearly remember him wearing 11 and have held onto the record which has him listed as number 11

     

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    Thanks.

    That was the following week. Norm Dare ran just about the length of the ground to get the lions over the line by less than a goal.

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    12 minutes ago, IvanBartul13 said:

     

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    Those were the days! Some great servants of the club listed in that footy record page. Many favourite players. My debut season as a junior member. Cheers IvanB13!  
     

    ps. Who was the ruck?

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    15 minutes ago, Tarax Club said:

    Those were the days! Some great servants of the club listed in that footy record page. Many favourite players. My debut season as a junior member. Cheers IvanB13!  
     

    ps. Who was the ruck?

    I wasnt around then but Darryl Schwartz was named in the ruck

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    41 minutes ago, IvanBartul13 said:

    I wasnt around then but Darryl Schwartz was named in the ruck

    On the other side of the ledger old Fitzroy. The great Kevin Murray won the brownlow in the twilight of his career. He was a regular on Channel 7’s World of Sport. Norm Brown was the Roy boys ruck father of Jonathon. Plus other notable footballers of the era.

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    20 hours ago, tilly18 said:

    Yep, thats it. Tassie Johnsons 200th.

    Was there also Star was born 

    Wellsy's first game 4 goals promoted with not great form from Reserves but never looked back.

    Tough uncompromising lived his high marking for such a medium/small. 
    Yes we beat the Navy Blues by about 2 goals.

    Wellsy marked late in quarter in forward pocket at Scoreboard end to seal it! 

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    42 minutes ago, Wizard of Koz said:

     Brad, steve, bob , ben, kane johnson, . More than above

    As far as I can recall there have been six Abletts: Gary Sr, Kevin and Geoff of the earlier generation; Gary Jr and Nathan of the next generation plus Luke. And the surname goalkicking total gets a good head-start with Gary Sr having kicked over a thousand. 

    There are a few more Johnsons to add to your list, though including Wayne, Paul and Tassie.

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    The Johnson would have the Abletts covered well and truly I would think. Brad and Steve Johnson equal Ablett Snrs goals by themselves and then there are 150 year of other Johnsons v  the Ablett family dynasty minus Gary Snr.

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