Stats Files - 2022

[spirit of norm smith 16,428]

A dominant performance by the Dees v Brisbane.  Saw it live and really liked our ball movement. 

Most of the stats had the Lions even or ahead. But it’s deceiving because our ball movement and scoring/goal kicking was rewarding our play.  The forward line looked open and dangerous.  No packs, congested contest forward line footy.  
 

what I loved … 

Kicks 216

handballs 119 

yes we ran and kicked and hit targets. It was noticeable and great to see the little useless handballing to stationary players was virtually non existent.  The run was back.  

Some special mentions. Clarry. 18 kicks (12 handballs) metres gained 578 . Brayshaw(18k9hb) Hunt (15k3hb), May (16k4hb) and Fritsch (13k. Zero handballs ).  Trac also was kicking it more, and not always looking for the handball option. 
 

May our “football” continue into September.  Go Dees. 

[Flower Magic 776]

8 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

A dominant performance by the Dees v Brisbane.  Saw it live and really liked our ball movement. 

Most of the stats had the Lions even or ahead. But it’s deceiving because our ball movement and scoring/goal kicking was rewarding our play.  The forward line looked open and dangerous.  No packs, congested contest forward line footy.  
 

what I loved … 

Kicks 216

handballs 119 

yes we ran and kicked and hit targets. It was noticeable and great to see the little useless handballing to stationary players was virtually non existent.  The run was back.  

 

The kick/handball differential is of course heavily influenced by the pressure applied by opponents. Last night, Brisbane's pressure on the ball carrier was often low or non-existent. Compare the manic pressure applied by Collingwood two weeks ago. The run was back alright, but it's a lot easier to run when no one's chasing you. But it was a pleasure watching our boys hit targets time and time again as the Lions supporters around me became more and more frustrated with their team's woeful execution.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 23, 2022 GABBA - Lions vs Demons

Clarry finishes with a bang!

VN contribution from LJ.  Did we finally take advantage of the sub!??

Nice eye witness perspectives & highlights up there NS & FM 👍

Player	Rating	Rank
C Oliver	5.150	1
Steven May	4.275	2
L Jackson<69% #17	4.200	3
C Petracca	3.850	4
Jake Lever	3.775	5
J Harmes	3.375	6
T Rivers	2.950	7
M Gawn #26	2.925	8
K Pickett	2.850	9
Jack Viney	2.725	10
H Petty	2.650	11
A N-Bullen	2.550	12
Ed Langdon	2.375	13
T Sparrow	2.275	14
A Brayshaw	2.250	15
Jake Bowey	2.250	15
B Fritsch	2.200	17
Jayden Hunt	2.200	18
M Hibberd	2.150	19
J Melksham	2.100	20
Ben Brown	1.875	21
C Spargo	1.425	22
J Jordon> 8%	0.100	23
Team Score	62.38
Top 6	24.63
Bottom 6	11.95

# Hit outs to advantage not captured (number indicates number of hit outs)

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Stats Courtesy of footywire.com

[spirit of norm smith 16,428]

Hibberd didn’t make a mistake all night and shut out Charlie Cameron to zero goals (in two games).  That’s deserving of a “high rating” by my calculations.  

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

19 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Hibberd didn’t make a mistake all night and shut out Charlie Cameron to zero goals (in two games).  That’s deserving of a “high rating” by my calculations.  

Yes the beauty is in the eye of the witness NS.  Stats are limited in their ability to reflect what actually takes place on the field.  Also these tables don't take into account pressure acts, bodying the opponent, reading the play better etc.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

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Edited August 22, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Weighted Average Player & Team Ratings H&A Season 2022 vs H&A Season 2021

Another H&A season done and dusted.  Seemed to go very quick.

Clarry No.1 again for the fifth season in a row!

Viney & May clock up a rare draw coming equal 3rd, decided in the last round against the Lions.

Speaking of Hibberd up there, nearly forgot to include him in the season averages!  All updated now...

Player	2022 Rating	2022 Rank	2021 Rating	% Change vs 2021	2021 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2021
C Oliver	5.320	1	5.258	1.18	1	0
C Petracca	4.456	2	4.041	10.27	2	0
Jack Viney	3.971	3	3.171	25.23	8	5
Steven May	3.971	3	3.926	1.15	3	0
A Brayshaw	3.839	5	2.836	35.37	12	7
L Dunstan	3.497	6	-	-	-	-
C Salem	3.363	7	3.879	-13.30	4	-3
Max Gawn #	3.215	8	3.439	-6.51	7	-1
J Jordon	3.164	9	2.908	8.80	10	1
L Jackson #	3.128	10	2.355	32.82	21	11
Ed Langdon	3.109	11	3.092	0.55	9	-2
J Harmes	3.082	12	3.520	-12.44	6	-6
Jake Bowey	2.856	13	2.881	-0.87	11	-2
Jake Lever	2.703	14	3.661	-26.17	5	-9
Alex N-Bullen	2.688	15	2.388	12.56	19	4
T Sparrow	2.665	16	2.023	31.74	28	12
M Hibberd	2.613	17	2.433	7.40	18	1
T Rivers	2.423	18	2.658	-8.84	13	-5
H Petty	2.392	19	2.086	14.67	26	7
Joel Smith	2.239	20	1.375	62.84	32	12
K Pickett	2.118	21	2.378	-10.93	20	-1
A Tomlinson	2.079	22	2.475	-16.00	16	-6
T Bedford	2.023	23	-	-	-	-
C Spargo	1.981	24	2.068	-4.21	27	3
J Melksham	1.947	25	1.853	5.07	31	6
T McDonald #	1.939	26	2.516	-22.93	15	-11
Bayley Fritsch	1.936	27	2.155	-10.16	25	-2
J Hunt	1.889	28	2.597	-27.26	14	-14
Ben Brown #	1.759	29	1.855	-5.18	30	1
S Weideman #	1.705	30	1.055	61.61	27	-3
Mitch Brown	1.550	31	2.475	-37.37	16	-15
Daniel Turner>*TOG 49%	1.200	32	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	68.89		67.23	2.47

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

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[Mr Steve 3,820]

@SuperCoachIQ

· 13h

Tyson Stengle     Goals v Top 8 Teams: 10        Goals v Bottom 10 Teams: 36 

Bayley Fritsch     Goals v Top 8 Teams: 28        Goals v Bottom 10 Teams: 22

[Kent 2,909]

On 8/20/2022 at 9:20 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

A dominant performance by the Dees v Brisbane.  Saw it live and really liked our ball movement. 

Most of the stats had the Lions even or ahead. But it’s deceiving because our ball movement and scoring/goal kicking was rewarding our play.  The forward line looked open and dangerous.  No packs, congested contest forward line footy.  
 

what I loved … 

Kicks 216

handballs 119 

yes we ran and kicked and hit targets. It was noticeable and great to see the little useless handballing to stationary players was virtually non existent.  The run was back.  

Some special mentions. Clarry. 18 kicks (12 handballs) metres gained 578 . Brayshaw(18k9hb) Hunt (15k3hb), May (16k4hb) and Fritsch (13k. Zero handballs ).  Trac also was kicking it more, and not always looking for the handball option. 
 

May our “football” continue into September.  Go Dees. 

So the fans that yell "Just kick It"!!!!!! are on the money right?😁

[layzie 33,792]

Pressure and turnovers, that's the golden mantra over the next month.

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

4 hours ago, Mr Steve said:

@SuperCoachIQ

· 13h

Tyson Stengle     Goals v Top 8 Teams: 10        Goals v Bottom 10 Teams: 36 

Bayley Fritsch     Goals v Top 8 Teams: 28        Goals v Bottom 10 Teams: 22

To be fair on Stengle, Geelong don’t play top 8 sides often where as we seemingly only played sides bound for the finals. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

7 hours ago, layzie said:

Pressure and turnovers, that's the golden mantra over the next month.

I would throw accuracy with goal kicking in there as well Layzie.

Last week it all clicked in this regard.  72% conversion, our second best result for the season, only topped in Rnd 5 vs the Giants (76%!).

It was our best efficiency inside 50 for the season though with a record 33.3% of our inside 50s on the night resulting in a goal.

Edited August 24, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[spirit of norm smith 16,428]

Stats from Dees v Swans round 12 

Dees 348 possessions- 205 kicks 143 handballs 

Swans 305 possessions- 218 kicks 87 handballs 

Swans run and kick a lot more than other teams. Their ball movement needs to be slowed, shutdown or pressed. They want to run run run.

We won in the ruck where Max dominated hitouts but broke even in clearances  

Swans won in the pressure count and tackles (75-53) 

 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Qualifying Final, 2022 MCG - Demons vs Swans

Melbourne Demons

Clarry Clarry Clarry oi oi oi!  Amazing rating here and one of his best in the red & the blue and his second best for the season.  Only bettered in Rnd 10 vs North with a 7.675  What a game and what a stunning result on such a big occasion.  A genuine champion!

Let's take a look...

24 effective disposals @ 82.8%, 3 one percenters, 8 clearances (Luke Parker the most on the night, just, with 9), 2 Rebounds, 4 inside 50s, 8 tackles (3 inside 50), 10 score involvements, 5 intercepts, 420 Meters gained, 2 goals and only 1 miserly turnover.

Steven May what can you say!  One of the great games by our champion FB on one of the games great forwards, Buddy Franklin.  Some of his highlights on the night... 18 effective disposals @ 78.3%, 5 contested marks (most on the night), 8 one percenters (note: McCartin had a massive 17!), 11 Rebounds (most on the might) and a massive 16 intercepts (most on the night with the next best Harmes on 8).

So looking at these results it was really too much left to to few with the top 5 player ratings being Clarry, May, Harmes, Petty & Sparrow.  Followed by a very good (genuine forward) rating from Fritta of 2.775 .... and, let's be honest, daylight the rest!

And what was that game from GUS!?  I can't recall a worse rating from him since i've been compiling.  Some of his lowlights included ... only 9 effectives @ 45% and a massive 11 turnovers!

But he wasn't alone here... combined between them, Max (7), Viney (9) and Gus (11) clocked up a massive and disastrous outcome on the night of 27 turnovers!   You won't win too many games, including H&A, with three of your best bringing such a  horror performance.

Obviously finals are played at a different level but our Team Rating was also significantly off.  Even if it was just by a smidgen, our worst result for the season and down on our season average rating by a massive 19.5%!  That's a statistical outlier sub-par performance from our boys and i have to wonder if gastro may have gotten hold of a number of players that we were unaware of and the club were just forced to soldier on??

I very much doubt we will beat the Lions if we produce anything close to last night next week.  It will be lights out for season 2022.  A massive turnaround ahead for this club on the track if we're to get up against the Lions and make a consecutive PF.

Player	Rating	Rank
C Oliver	7.300	1
S May	5.300	2
J Harmes	3.800	3
H Petty	3.575	4
T Sparrow	3.125	5
B Fritsch	2.775	6
C Petracca	2.675	7
A N-Bullen	2.625	8
C Spargo	2.600	9
Max Gawn # 30	2.375	10
J Hunt	2.175	11
Jack Viney	2.150	12
Ed Langdon	2.075	13
T Rivers	1.900	14
M Hibberd	1.875	15
C Salem	1.825	16
Jake Lever	1.700	17
L Jackson # 13	1.300	18
B Brown # 1	1.100	19
K Pickett	0.875	20
J Melksham	0.650	21
A Brayshaw	0.350	22
Team Score	54.13
Top 6	25.88
Bottom 6	5.98

# Hit outs to advantage not captured (number indicates number of hit outs)

Stats Courtesy of footywire.com

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Ben Brown’s efforts for the past two weeks of notice.

[DeeZone 9,798]

Demon Dynasty looking forward to your Stats on the Brissy game so we can compare our finals experience with our H&A stats..

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, DeeZone said:

Demon Dynasty looking forward to your Stats on the Brissy game so we can compare our finals experience with our H&A stats..

Yes i'll get there at some point DZ.  Very depressing going out like that.

I'll post this match's results vs H&A.

Then the combined finals averages vs season averages.  Plus combined finals averages vs 2021's finals averages.

[buck_nekkid 5,848]

I love your work @Demon Dynasty.  Thanks for making the time to share the data and open some interesting conversations.

[Romey 156]

One curious statistic on the weekend was the 16km differential between the total team distance run (Data curtesy of the Telstra Tracker - Swans 287.5km v Dees 271.6km.)

Despite the Dees having 3 of the top 4 runners on the night for every player on the field the Swans ran about 1km more than their opponent.

This is usual and as there were only a handful of games in the AFL this year which had a greater differential although of these examples, the team that ran less did not always lose.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

4 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

I love your work @Demon Dynasty.  Thanks for making the time to share the data and open some interesting conversations.

Thanks Buck ...and for your work also.  It's been an interesting season of ups and downs that's for sure.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Qualifying Final, 2022 MCG - Demons vs Swans

Match Day Rating vs H&A 2022 Season Ratings

Suspected something was seriously up after looking at the base data straight after this final a few weeks back.  But never suspected things were this bad vs season averages, with a few exceptions in the first 10 players or so.

Tracc's drop off explanatory but it's a massive drop.  If you're a numbers/analyst looking at that you would be putting the info to the coach's/FD and highlighting surely for the next match against the Lions and asking some massive questions of physios/docs/player.

As to what went wrong, who knows.  Only those inside the inner sanctum or very close to someone with inside intel might have some idea.  Whatever the main reason/s, things sure went belly up once we hit finals.

I understand the second week a little more in the sense more players would've been banged up eg; Tracc playing injured, Clarry's head knock.  But we had the bye like everyone else leading into this one.  Gastro / illness issue?  That might account for Hibberd's drop off but didn't hear of others catching it?  Many players spent well before finals and too much spent too early in the first 10 rounds, nothing left in the tank in the 2nd half (might explain our last quarter fade outs somewhat)?  Pressure from the Swans off the charts, a number of players couldn't handle it?  Who knows.

Have highlighted Clarry in blue as that is one hell of a performance in a final.  Others that did very well statistically vs their season averages included May (superb result given his opponent), Harmes, Petty (outstanding), Sparrow, Fritta (29% above his 2021 season average and 7.5% above last year's final's average!), Spargo & Hunt.  With ANB thereabouts.

As mentioned previously above, the Team Rating was a massive 19% off the season's average Team Rating.

Have to say i'm astounded that this appeared not to set any alarm bells off inside the FD and/or with SG!  In the sense that we stuck with exactly the same line up, and much of that line up (statistically) was obviously (if you had the time to dissect) in a world of trouble.  There's absolutely no way you are coming back from being off your season averages by around 30% - 40% (or greater) the following week.  Certainly not within a week anyway and not enough to probably bring a level of effectiveness in the role you're expected to play, especially in the pressure cooker of a final.  Had we made the Prelim...might have been a different matter.

Note:  A red 2022 H&A Ranking indicates that player did not hit his seasonal ranking in this Final.  Some players might be higher than their seasonal ranking just by being picked.  That is a player ranked 28th for example might end up being ranked 22 in this game by the mere fact that he was picked in the team.  In other words the rankings need to be considered in context.  Hope that makes sense.

Player	Qual Final Rating	Qual Final Rank	2022 H&A Rating	2022 H&A Rank	% Change vs H&A
C Oliver	7.300	1	5.320	1	27.12
Steven May	5.300	2	3.971	3	25.08
J Harmes	3.800	3	3.082	12	18.89
H Petty	3.575	4	2.392	19	33.09
T Sparrow	3.125	5	2.665	16	14.72
Bayley Fritsch	2.775	6	1.936	27	30.23
C Petracca	2.675	7	4.456	2	-66.58
Alex N-Bullen	2.625	8	2.688	15	-2.40
C Spargo	2.600	9	1.981	24	23.81
Max Gawn #30	2.375	10	3.215	8	-35.37
J Hunt	2.175	11	1.889	28	13.15
Jack Viney	2.150	12	3.971	3	-84.70
Ed Langdon	2.075	13	3.109	11	-49.83
T Rivers	1.900	14	2.423	18	-27.53
M Hibberd	1.875	15	2.613	17	-39.36
C Salem	1.825	16	3.363	7	-84.27
Jake Lever	1.700	17	2.703	14	-59.00
L Jackson #13	1.300	18	3.128	10	-140.62
Ben Brown #1	1.100	19	1.759	29	-59.91
K Pickett	0.875	20	2.118	21	-142.06
J Melksham	0.650	21	1.947	25	-199.54
A Brayshaw	0.350	22	3.839	5	-996.86
Team Rating	54.13		64.57		-19.29

# Hit outs to advantage not captured (number indicates number of hit outs)

Stats Courtesy of footywire.com

Edited September 14, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Semi Final, 2022 MCG - Demons vs Lions

Player	Rating	Rank
Harrison Petty	4.450	1
Steven May	4.325	2
James Harmes	4.275	3
Clayton Oliver	4.250	4
Ed Langdon	3.325	5
Michael Hibberd	3.050	6
Angus Brayshaw	3.000	7
Jack Viney	3.000	7
Luke Jackson # 9	2.800	9
Alex N-Bullen	2.750	10
Christian Petracca	2.625	11
Jake Lever	2.575	12
Max Gawn # 36	2.550	13
Tom Sparrow	2.025	14
Ben Brown # 3	1.975	15
Kysaiah Pickett	1.500	16
Bayley Fritsch	1.475	17
Jake Melksham	1.425	18
Jayden Hunt	1.250	19
Charlie Spargo	1.225	20
Trent Rivers	1.150	21
Christian Salem	1.000	22
Team Score	56.00
Top 6	23.68
Bottom 6	7.53

# Hit outs to advantage not captured (number indicates number of hit outs)

Stats Courtesy of footywire.com

Edited September 15, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Semi Final, 2022 MCG - Demons vs Lions

Match Day Rating vs H&A 2022 Season Ratings

Player	Semi Final Rating	Semi Final Rank	2022 H&A Rating	2022 H&A Rank	% Change vs H&A
H Petty	4.450	1	2.392	19	46.25
Steven May	4.325	2	3.971	3	8.18
J Harmes	4.275	3	3.082	12	27.91
C Oliver	4.250	4	5.320	1	-25.18
Ed Langdon	3.325	5	3.109	11	6.50
M Hibberd	3.050	6	2.613	17	14.33
Jack Viney	3.000	7	3.971	3	-32.37
A Brayshaw	3.000	7	3.839	5	-27.97
L Jackson # 9	2.800	9	3.128	10	-11.71
A N-Bullen	2.750	10	2.688	15	2.25
C Petracca	2.625	11	4.456	2	-69.75
Jake Lever	2.575	12	2.703	14	-4.97
M Gawn # 36	2.550	13	3.215	8	-26.08
T Sparrow	2.025	14	2.665	16	-31.60
B Brown # 3	1.975	15	1.759	29	10.94
K Pickett	1.500	16	2.118	21	-41.20
B Fritsch	1.475	17	1.936	27	-31.25
J Melksham	1.425	18	1.947	25	-36.63
J Hunt	1.250	19	1.889	28	-51.12
C Spargo	1.225	20	1.981	24	-61.71
T Rivers	1.150	21	2.423	18	-110.70
C Salem	1.000	22	3.363	7	-236.30
Team Rating	56.00		64.57		-15.30

# Hit outs to advantage not captured (number indicates number of hit outs)

Stats Courtesy of footywire.com

[DeeZone 9,798]

Thank you DD for all your hard work, those stats really reinforce what we have all been trying to come to grips with but quite clearly the stats spell it out for all to see and yes Petty, May, Harmes, Clarry, Langdon, Hibbo and ANB came to the party. It also shows that a number of our best players were well down on form And we still only lost by 13 points. Just shows how important it is to play your Best Fit players but also shows get the boys back to full health and fitness and we can be right in it in 2023.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

MVP 2022 Finals

Thanks DZ.  We weren't that far off as you say.  However, these stats suggest we played a couple of our worst games for the season unfortunately.  Almost feels like another Prelim 2018 for mine given we came into the finals with the second chance and a top two finish.

Anyway on to DD's MVP of the finals award!   And no surprises as to who got the chocolates!  Imagine if he didn't go into the Semi banged up and coming off the broken thumb issue.

May & Harmes deserve some kudos as well.  Petty not far behind in 4th.

Pretty much daylight the rest really...

Player	Rating	Rank
C Oliver	5.775	1
S May	4.813	2
J Harmes	4.038	3
H Petty	4.013	4
Ed Langdon	2.700	5
A N-Bullen	2.688	6
C Petracca	2.650	7
Jack Viney	2.575	8
T Sparrow	2.575	9
Max Gawn #	2.463	10
M Hibberd	2.463	10
Jake Lever	2.138	12
B Fritsch	2.125	13
L Jackson #	2.050	14
C Spargo	1.913	15
J Hunt	1.713	16
A Brayshaw	1.675	17
Ben Brown #	1.538	18
Trent Rivers	1.525	19
C Salem	1.413	20
K Pickett	1.188	21
J Melksham	1.038	22
Team Rating	55.06

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

Stats Courtesy of footywire.com

 

 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Demon Dynasty