On 01/03/2022 at 04:56, binman said:

This far into this and you still think 'the vax doesn't stop the spread' 

Good lord.

Of course it is possible to get covid if you have had 2 vax, or even three.

BUT you are MUCH LESS LIKELY to get it.. 

That's to say vaccination co tinges to provide some level of protection.

So if I go to the pub and I'm yarning to someone with covid about the dees going to back back I am far less likely to be infected. Coz I'm triple vaxxed.

If I don't contract i don't infect my mate who I've visited to yarn about the dees going to back back 

So that helps stop the spread.

This from our gov health website. No mention of the vaccine stopping the transmission

 

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/approved-vaccines/how-they-work

How the vaccines work

These vaccines will protect you from getting severely ill or dying if you get COVID-19. 

The vaccines train your immune system to recognise and clear out the virus, before it makes you seriously ill. Your body's immune system builds this protection over time.

You are best protected 7 to 14 days after your second dose. Your booster dose helps restore and extend this protection.

The virus that causes COVID-19 (called SARS-CoV-2) has spikes of protein on each viral particle. These spike proteins allow the virus to attach to cells and cause disease.

The vaccines help the body to:

• recognise these spike proteins as a threat
• fight the coronavirus that has these proteins.

  On 01/03/2022 at 03:48, Wrecker46 said:

As far as I can determine the vax doesn't stop the spread.

It reduces transmission. Info confirming this is available on the health.gov.au site ... if you'd bothered to (really) look.

"a marked reduction of transmission following vaccination".

 

Edited March 1, 20223 yr by bing181

Edited March 1, 20223 yr by binman

  On 01/03/2022 at 11:21, bing181 said:

It reduces transmission. Info confirming this is available on the health.gov.au site ... if you'd bothered to (really) look.

"a marked reduction of transmission following vaccination".

 

If you bothered to post the link it would be more credible.

  On 01/03/2022 at 11:26, binman said:

Jesus wept.

Saying Jesus wept is like a facepalm. Where you want to ridicule but can't articulate it.

 

  On 31/01/2022 at 14:02, faultydet said:

I always thought W.A was the most insular, "us versus the world" place I'd ever been to.

It's current actions do nothing to dispel that thought.

Jacinda across the Tasman is trying to rival Emperor McGowan, and Kim Jong in the isolation stakes. 

  On 03/02/2022 at 22:16, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I'd be flabbergasted if we got 80,000 to the Dees v Dogs game.

1) Wednesday night is a shocking timeslot even allowing for the special occasion of the flag being unfurled. The game should've been on a Friday night - would get the same amount of eye balls on the TV screen but a way bigger crowd and more $$$ in the MFC till.

2) Dogs fans prefer Marvel over the G.

3) Dogs fans won't be particularly keen to see the flag being unfurled and a reminder that they gave up in a GF at 3 qtr time.**

4) The biggest crowd between these two sides at the MCG in a home and away game was 45,000 in 2010 on a Friday night.

I predict 55K for round 1 but as many as 65K-70K for the Essendon Friday night game if both clubs start well.

** actually around 5 minutes before 3 qtr time. 

  On 01/03/2022 at 11:21, bing181 said:

It reduces transmission. Info confirming this is available on the health.gov.au site ... if you'd bothered to (really) look.

"a marked reduction of transmission following vaccination".

 

Ahh ...The government website.
Bastions of truth and integrity 😂👌

Edited March 1, 20223 yr by binman

Asymptomatic Covid population (much more likely in the Vaccinated) are less likely to transmit the virus. Herewith Lancet journal article detailing such…

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00059-4/fulltext

The ‘vaccinated’ are thus less likely to spread the virus. Science. 

  On 01/03/2022 at 20:45, binman said:

Meta humour.

The quote is from the same Web pages as the quotes from wrecker46.

You know the one he used as evidence vaccination doesn't mitigate spread of covid.

Curious you didn't critique the veracity of that information.

Out of interest forkem  do you think vaccination helps stop the spread of covid?

Didn't look at wreckers link but  I don't need  a website for a quote or saying.

As for your question.
I know probably half a dozen people who have chosen not to be vaccinated.
None of whom have had the virus.
But I know many who are vaccinated as the 80% vax rates suggest who have had the virus and passed it among their families.
One hospitalised for a short time.
So .... How long is a piece of string?

Anyone who gobbles up unconditionally what the government or MSM feeds them is a fool.

 

 

Edited March 1, 20223 yr by binman

  On 01/03/2022 at 22:30, binman said:

This post is so brilliant. Seriously. 

I struggle, as my posting history attests, to make my points brief and punchy. As such i know they lose their value in terms of getting cut through.

This post should be my template.

In just a few words, it so clearly articulates the anti science perspective that has so infected the whole response to Covid in Australia (cue a whole lot of whataboutism - what about masks, what about hospital rates etc etc). 

Thankfully such views, unlike in America, are held by a very, very small minority here in Australia.

But maybe i should give that game a go.

I only have two close friends that have had covid and one lives in Spain. Based on that i don't believe the government's propaganda about case numbers. 

By the by, am i to assume that, based on your anecdotal evidence, the answer to my very simple question is that you don't think vaccination helps stop the spread of covid?

 

 

Brief and punchy eh .... Your posts ramble on like few others.
Know all, know nothin'.

And you seriously only know 2?
Must hide in ya mums basement hangin' out on her internet with another resident peanut Lord Nev and your spanish mate.
Which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

 

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  On 01/03/2022 at 22:30, binman said:

In just a few words, it so clearly articulates the anti science perspective that has so infected the whole response to Covid in Australia (cue a whole lot of whataboutism - what about masks, what about hospital rates etc etc)

The sad truth, binman, is that ‘personal experience’, which is the very definition of ‘anecdote’, will always defeat science in the minds of some, albeit as you say, a gratefully lower number in Australia than US. Science is theory and observation made specific, analytical, reproducible practice. For those unfamiliar with its methods, that’s an unknown, elusive thing, thus mysterious, untrustworthy. “What they’re telling me can’t be true, because my mates and their mates and family have had ‘these’ experiences” will always defy the rigour and analysis than some don’t/can’t/don’t want to try to understand. I take heart in the fact that Australia, objectively more than any other country (Vax rates) rejects this approach. 

Edited March 1, 20223 yr by binman

Where's a good moderator when you need one?*. Some cleansing of this thread of non-football material might be in order.

 

*(No disrespect intended to our wonderful crew of site moderators and administrators. They do a wonderful job.) 

  On 01/03/2022 at 23:38, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Where's a good moderator when you need one?*. Some cleansing of this thread of non-football material might be in order.

 

*(No disrespect intended to our wonderful crew of site moderators and administrators. They do a wonderful job.) 

Point taken.

Posts deleted.

Edited March 1, 20223 yr by binman

@daisycutter and @binman

You both make valid points about vaccination and transmission.

This is not an argument about the efficacy for keeping people better off and out of hospital when they get Covid.

I just think that all the evidence suggests that the vaccine doesn't mitigate against the spread.

I encourage you to look into the furin cleavage site (fcs) not a website just the scientific name.

There are a sequence of 19 nucleotides within the approx 29,000 in Covid that make it highly contagious between humans. HIV has a similar sequence and after decades we still can't stop the spread with vaccines but we can with anti bodies.

Moderna took out a patent on the sequence 3 years before the first reported case of Covid. They don't know how to stop the spread yet but they will work it out and it will work for HIV, Sars and Ebola.

 

May I please remind people to keep this thread about COVID disruptions of the footy season. 

This is not a thread to discuss COVID and vaccines. There are plenty of places on the internet to discuss and argue about that. 

 

  On 02/03/2022 at 20:11, Demonland said:

 

What is the rationale given that these clubs already have "reserve" teams in their home States.

Gives them 3 teams to pick from as against the other teams who only have one.

Am I missing something ?

NFL has removed all covid protocols, it’s just business as usual in the US now. 

 

  On 08/03/2022 at 05:00, Demonland said:

 

So as Sam Edmund reports:-

• Clubs must nominate a 20-player "Covid contingency list" by Friday.

• A player can be taken from this pool to train - only if fewer than 30 players are available due to Covid & injuries. That player can only play if less than 28 are available.

• The 20-player pool must be selected from aligned state league/2nd tier playing list, NGA/Northern Academy or designated standalone state league listed players.

• If a club has less than 30 AFL listed players available, but this is not due to any player being subject to COVID Health & Safety Protocols, then the club will NOT be able to activate a COVID Contingency player.

  On 03/03/2022 at 19:17, Cards13 said:

NFL has removed all covid protocols, it’s just business as usual in the US now. 

Yep, only 500+ per day dying now. All good.