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I’m worried Oliver will come under MRO review. 

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18 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

What incident?

Garcia

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5 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Garcia

Can you give a time stamp @McQueen?

He'll be fine* 

 

*If the AFL see him as in genuine Brownlow contention and thus now protected.

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1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Not really when you look at it in the context of selection.

Brown dismal at VFL level.

Weid inconsistent but kicked two important goals and has the clear edge over the player competing for the same spot currently.

I don't want to hear anyone calling for Weid out for Brown to ever try to talk about culture or competition for spots.

A couple of things nev.

I meant it is woeful that both of our key forwards apply poor levels of pressure. They both concern me. 

And I understand your point about competition for spots, but by the very same logic it was a strange decision to drop Brown not weed for the crows game. 

Brown was picked first on form. And both had almost identical stats and impact (which was not great) against the blues.

So why drop Brown?

I suspect it was to give weed a run at afl level. And have a look at the set up with him as the go to forward.

I'm not advocating Brown come in. But they wedged themselves a bit.

And bottom line Brown is a better footballer.

Takes his marks. Is stronger in the contest. Is a harder match up that demands more defensive coverage. And is a proven goal kicker. 

Brown has the runs on the board. Weed doesn't. 

Because neither apply enough pressure you can't have both in the same team.

And without question Id have Brown over weed. 

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17 hours ago, Nascent said:

I reckon Jordon might be a good fit for a wing. Can play defensively but also seems to link up on the outside well. Sparrow to come in and play JJ's current role.

Jordan is looking good for many things - developing fine. The vacant winger might well open him up with a new array of game tricks and tributes. He'd surely be keen for that! He can run, kick, pass, shepherd, screen and anticipates well. Could be the man for the job in Langdon's absence.

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13 minutes ago, SPC said:

I have watched the replay, I cannot see the incident anywhere. 

I’ll PM you soon with the incident. 

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37 minutes ago, binman said:

A couple of things nev.

I meant it is woeful that both of our key forwards apply poor levels of pressure. They both concern me. 

And I understand your point about competition for spots, but by the very same logic it was a strange decision to drop Brown not weed for the crows game. 

Brown was picked first on form. And both had almost identical stats and impact (which was not great) against the blues.

So why drop Brown?

I suspect it was to give weed a run at afl level. And have a look at the set up with him as the go to forward.

I'm not advocating Brown come in. But they wedged themselves a bit.

And bottom line Brown is a better footballer.

Takes his marks. Is stronger in the contest. Is a harder match up that demands more defensive coverage. And is a proven goal kicker. 

Brown has the runs on the board. Weed doesn't. 

Because neither apply enough pressure you can't have both in the same team.

And without question Id have Brown over weed. 

To me it makes sense to frame the whole thing as competition for one spot.

Weid edged out Brown performance wise against the Blues.

Brown did nothing to earn a call up so Weid got another chance and was ok. I feel for Brown that he doesn't get a chance this week to show something. Really; all Brown had to do was kick a couple of goals for Casey and he'd have been in this week but he had a Barry Crocker.

You pick the team on current form, not on form from a couple of years ago so Weid gets the nod until Brown forces the hand of the selectors, that's how good clubs do it.

The pressure question is an interesting one to me though. Sure, everyone should be applying pressure, but maybe that forward role Weid (or Brown) plays is more to stay at home most of the time so we have a target when we rebound?

Fritsch and Melksham both average less tackles than Weid. We seem to let them off because it's 'not their role' to be a pressure forward, it's their role to provide skill and finishing, yet we hold Weid to a different standard for some reason.

Not every forwards role is to be a 'pressure forward' even though all of them are expected to bring that element to a degree.

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1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

Can you give a time stamp @McQueen?

He'll be fine* 

 

*If the AFL see him as in genuine Brownlow contention and thus now protected.

I can but not publicly. 
 

One too many spliffs has got me paranoid. 

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1 hour ago, binman said:

A couple of things nev.

I meant it is woeful that both of our key forwards apply poor levels of pressure. They both concern me. 

And I understand your point about competition for spots, but by the very same logic it was a strange decision to drop Brown not weed for the crows game. 

Brown was picked first on form. And both had almost identical stats and impact (which was not great) against the blues.

So why drop Brown?

I suspect it was to give weed a run at afl level. And have a look at the set up with him as the go to forward.

I'm not advocating Brown come in. But they wedged themselves a bit.

And bottom line Brown is a better footballer.

Takes his marks. Is stronger in the contest. Is a harder match up that demands more defensive coverage. And is a proven goal kicker. 

Brown has the runs on the board. Weed doesn't. 

Because neither apply enough pressure you can't have both in the same team.

And without question Id have Brown over weed. 

Well reasoned post. I like Sam. Hes just not as good as Bb. The fact of the matter is Bb is a freak talent. Had a poor year last year but the three years prior was the best ff in the comp easily.

Sam is not a bad player and Id love to see him succeed because I get tge feeling he goves his all. But they are not in the same league so to speak.

Bb has proven himself as a star full forward. Sam hasnt. Its not to say Sam wont be great but its a fair assumption that its unlikely he will be as good as bb was. 

I know Sam is young and still developing and has more longevity but bb has an awesome record. Before anyone says records are in the past, its the same reason Fritta wasnt dropped after a few poor games. Its been proven what they CAN do.

I wouldnt drop Weid this week but if he plays again like last night then its move over time. Sure they were two timely goals but its just a pass game at best.As bad as Bb was at vfl level according to reports...its a worry Sam played like he did with his spot under pressure.

Dont get me wrong Id love Sam to be a great player but I prefer Bb. The facts are one has been great and the other not.

if Sam plays better next week, more power to him and more success to us.

Its not about either or for me its about the mfc getting a flag.Im sure we all feel the same.

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8 hours ago, Jaded said:

The club clearly has their heart set on a Jackson Weideman double act. They brought in BB to replace Tmac. Then Tmac decided to go be a sensational player again and now the plans have gone to [censored]. 

Same thing happened to Jeremy Renner in the Mission: Impossible movies post Ghost Protocol. 

Cruise did a massive TMac.

Replay is on Stan or Prime or something.

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6 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

To me it makes sense to frame the whole thing as competition for one spot.

Weid edged out Brown performance wise against the Blues.

 

Agree with the first paragraph. Not the second.

Brown was the incumbent. Both were average against the blues, but if anything Brown was better. So in my view deserved to retain his spot.

Obviously the selectors don't agree, so who am I to say. 

I agree in a general sense with your comments about not needing every forward to be a pressure freak. And that is not what I expect of weed.

But for mine he simply doesn't play with enough intensity and spends too much time at half pace

But his benchmark should be tmac. 

Late in a quarter (can't recall which  maybe the third?) tmac flat out sprinted for 200 metres to apply some pressure to a dogs plsyer running free through the centre square. Didn't quite get there but put enough pressure on for the kick inside 50 to be shanked. And we got an intercept mark.

Even it hadn't caused a turnover the effort was inspiring. They will show that vision to the team.

To be fair to weed they will also show his great run down tackle late in the second. 

But they will also show weed in his review of his half arsed effort near the start of tbe last 'chasing" durea at hb.

Look at the vision at about 18:30. Jogged, where if he had been intense and really focused he would have been able to lay a tackle - or at least been able to disrupt the kick. 

He lucked out because the kick inside 50 was poor and didn't vmcost tbe goal it should have. A goal that might have given them a sniff.

Simply not good enough. And strange from a player fighting for his spot in the team.

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2 hours ago, McQueen said:

I’m worried Oliver will come under MRO review. 

What, for being clobbered after getting his kick away that led to the downfield kick to Max ??

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Okay so I’ve been able to forensically investigate this incident with Oliver more closely on Kayo slow mo and I’m happy that he’s got nothing to worry about. 
The arm that I thought was Oliver’s fly up is actually Riley Garcia’s. 
The time stamp is 11.56 left on the first. 
 

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1 minute ago, McQueen said:

Okay so I’ve been able to forensically investigate this incident with Oliver more closely on Kayo slow mo and I’m happy that he’s got nothing to worry about. 
The arm that I thought was Oliver’s fly up is actually Riley Garcia’s. 
The time stamp is 11.56 left on the first. 
 

One too many spliffs indeed! ?

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1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Jordan is looking good for many things - developing fine. The vacant winger might well open him up with a new array of game tricks and tributes. He'd surely be keen for that! He can run, kick, pass, shepherd, screen and anticipates well. Could be the man for the job in Langdon's absence.

Don't take Jordon away from the contest, especially against Brisbane. He has been an absolute revelation in and under !!

Looks like he's played for 6 years !

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5 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

One too many spliffs indeed! ?

Normal speed it looks like an elbow. 

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On Weed.

I understand there are areas of his game that need improvement like his pressure acts as @binmanhas pointed out. Not good enough at times in this area for sure. 

But overall I thought this was his best game by far. The two goals were nice but I thought he was creating terrific marking contests in the first half and imposing himself adequately. He only juuust dropped three or four where he really should have marked them. You could see his frustration (at one stage yelling loudly at himself as he hit the turf). The kid is really competitive and I think he now has the body and when playing with confidence to really impact the game. His decision making is improving as well.

I'm actually in agreeance with a lot of MFC players and coaches who have stated that they believe Sam is building nicely. I think we discount the difficulty of playing alongside three other talls in the forward half a lot of the time competing in the air, knowing when to fly and where to lead/position yourself both offensively and defensively would be difficult. He's three games in and starting to be more involved in games. I think as the second tall option last nights game was great, he played his role and as Jonathan Brown stated post game a performance he won't be dropped for.

It's great that Brown will keep pressure on his position but many on here are in the belief that he will magically become the dominant forward he was 2 years ago. I'm not so sure. Browns inability to separate off his man and his slowness when the ball hits the ground have been a real worry to me and quite possibly a liability in the senior side to be honest. I feel Weid is more agile and there's greater flexibility in his role. If BBB is the player we think he is he should really be kicking bags in the VFL and an imposing force. I hope this happens but until then...

We shall see.

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