COVID & AFL 2021

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Two NFL teams now require fans to be vaccinated. I imagine the outcome will be the same here for season 2022, but whether it's made mandatory by the club, the venue manager or Government remains to be seen.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/572337-two-nfl-teams-now-require-fans-to-be-vaccinated

Imagine if the Dallas Cowboys tried that

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

oh dear...

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/no-change-to-grand-final-plans-as-wa-announces-positive-covid-19-case-in-truck-driver-20210922-p58tx4.html

[Jaded No More 68,974]

Can the world just take a 3 day break from the dumpster fire that is 2021 and let us get through Saturday? Cheers.

[rpfc 28,779]

At this point you just play and deal with the uptick in cases as the day that WA moved away from elimination strategy for the price of a GF.

Going to have to do it at some point, vaccines available, plenty of time to prepare.

Forward we March to a grand old flag.

[old dee 23,872]

On 9/10/2021 at 1:26 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Agreed  a hub over here would work.  But who knows.

How much of a fight will the AFL raise?  Just look at how McGowan bragged about having the GF on his terms and didn't pay the AFL a single cent!

Every dog has his day LH. His teams might not even be in the comp in 2022 if he keeps up his promises. 

[old dee 23,872]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Can the world just take a 3 day break from the dumpster fire that is 2021 and let us get through Saturday? Cheers.

No chance jaded. Sorry.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

They’ll be fine. Nothing to see here.

Sure if this happened in Melbourne there’d be 64 cases by GF day but Lady Luck has smiled on every major Australian city not known as Melbourne, Sydney or Canberra since the pandemic began.

[old dee 23,872]

I see today that the Vic government has generously allowed 10,000 patrons into the Melbourne Cup. That would hardly cover training staff, broadcasters and owners. In that light it is hard to see the MFC being able to have 30k+ at the G for any sort of celebration this side of next year. First we were being lockdown to save us, now we are being lockdown because the hospital system cannot cope. My god they have had 20 months to prepare for this and have it would appear done very little. I have a close relative who works in a hospital ICU department, she tells me there has been no changes to expand for increased patient levels since Feb 2020. I have no idea how she keeps fronting up for work every day. Back to the MFC, the  future for celebrations in the next couple of months looks bleak. 

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

Just hoping we can see the boys play at the G next year with a crowd.

Will be really annoyed if we’re hubbing interstate for a third year.

[godees 873]

7 hours ago, old dee said:

I see today that the Vic government has generously allowed 10,000 patrons into the Melbourne Cup. That would hardly cover training staff, broadcasters and owners. In that light it is hard to see the MFC being able to have 30k+ at the G for any sort of celebration this side of next year. First we were being lockdown to save us, now we are being lockdown because the hospital system cannot cope. My god they have had 20 months to prepare for this and have it would appear done very little. I have a close relative who works in a hospital ICU department, she tells me there has been no changes to expand for increased patient levels since Feb 2020. I have no idea how she keeps fronting up for work every day. Back to the MFC, the  future for celebrations in the next couple of months looks bleak. 

This narrative is absolute rubbish. There are surge plans right throughout the healthcare system that are being enacted (I am a healthcare worker). We are as prepared as we possibly can be. The nature of the virus makes caring for patients and keeping ourselves safe incredibly difficult. There is capacity to surge but it will be at the expense of elective capacity because the government and hospitals cannot do miracles. 
“No changes” is just so absurd that it completely undermines everything you say.

[Foopy on the telly 529]

52 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Just hoping we can see the boys play at the G next year with a crowd.

Will be really annoyed if we’re hubbing interstate for a third year.

Things would have to go absolutely [censored]-up next year for that to be even considered a remote possibility. Frankly I’d be surprised if we aren’t back to full capacity at the MCG by round 1 next year.

[rpfc 28,779]

23 minutes ago, Foopy on the telly said:

Things would have to go absolutely [censored]-up next year for that to be even considered a remote possibility. Frankly I’d be surprised if we aren’t back to full capacity at the MCG by round 1 next year.

Full capacity will rely on almost universal vaccination of the 12+ population. Only the no hopers talking about their freedumbs will probably never get vaxxed and ruin that dream for 2022 and 2023.

[Kent 2,914]

9 hours ago, godees said:

This narrative is absolute rubbish. There are surge plans right throughout the healthcare system that are being enacted (I am a healthcare worker). We are as prepared as we possibly can be. The nature of the virus makes caring for patients and keeping ourselves safe incredibly difficult. There is capacity to surge but it will be at the expense of elective capacity because the government and hospitals cannot do miracles. 
“No changes” is just so absurd that it completely undermines everything you say.

There are 126 occupied ICU beds out of an available 1476m beds

I know the Alfred has made available an extra 240 beds by re-organising space  and they have installed a new triage area to assist in any surge that might occur

We have one of the best health systems in the world and it will cope

There is plenty going on for those who want to know the facts

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

9 hours ago, Foopy on the telly said:

Things would have to go absolutely [censored]-up next year for that to be even considered a remote possibility. Frankly I’d be surprised if we aren’t back to full capacity at the MCG by round 1 next year.

I know, but it's Victoria we're talking about it.

 

[Jibroni 5,009]

I think Victorians just living a normal life again would be an achievement at this point. We have been lucky in SA to enjoy the simple things.

[old dee 23,872]

14 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Just hoping we can see the boys play at the G next year with a crowd.

Will be really annoyed if we’re hubbing interstate for a third year.

We need a very good crystal ball BBP.

[old dee 23,872]

3 hours ago, Jibroni said:

I think Victorians just living a normal life again would be an achievement at this point. We have been lucky in SA to enjoy the simple things.

I am not sure we will ever see "normal" again but a Covid normal would be very nice. From my friends and Rels I see now that people are on some levels just ignoring the advice now. They are well and truly over not seeing their family, they take reasonable precautions and then just do it. This is as true as I sit here typing I have one elderly friend who said to me "this is worse than dying I am vaccinated and I am not doing it any more I am seeing my family,  if I catch Covid and die so be it".

 

[old dee 23,872]

14 hours ago, godees said:

This narrative is absolute rubbish. There are surge plans right throughout the healthcare system that are being enacted (I am a healthcare worker). We are as prepared as we possibly can be. The nature of the virus makes caring for patients and keeping ourselves safe incredibly difficult. There is capacity to surge but it will be at the expense of elective capacity because the government and hospitals cannot do miracles. 
“No changes” is just so absurd that it completely undermines everything you say.

I hope you are right godees but my advice says otherwise. We are going  to find out shortly and I have to say that Government results at all levels so far leaves me with very confidence.

[Jaded No More 68,974]

16 hours ago, rpfc said:

Full capacity will rely on almost universal vaccination of the 12+ population. Only the no hopers talking about their freedumbs will probably never get vaxxed and ruin that dream for 2022 and 2023.

We will get to 90% fully vaccinated in the 12+ population by the end of the year in Victoria. We are almost at 90% for 16+, and the 12-15 year olds are getting vaccinated faster than any other age group, and they are working on approval for Pfizer for 5 year olds and over. 

I assume that games will continue to be ticketed to an extent. If you have a membership you'll need to link it to your vax certificate to get into the ground. If you don't, you'll need to provide it when buying a ticket online or at the gate.

There is no chance that we will continue to pause the state for 10% of people who are too stupid and selfish. Let them get sick and let them die of Covid. It is unfair to our incredible health care workers, but life has to go on for the sake of everyone's mental, financial and emotional health. 

Our case numbers are insanely high, but actually our hospitalisation numbers are well down on last year, where at our peak we had less than half the case numbers. Vaccines work, and they will enable us all to move on to a better future. I just hope that the absolute morons who think it is "their body their choice", don't come crying when their bodies are too sick to make the choice of breathing independently. 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Jaded No More

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

PSA - you can now download your vaccine certificate to the Services Victoria app (the same app used for logging in to shops, etc)

I've got an iPhone so I've already got it in my Apple wallet. If I understand correctly, though, there is no equivalent to a "wallet" in android phones, so I assume downloading to the Services Victoria app overcomes this dilemma.

I don't know the mechanics, but i suspect you'll have to show this certificate to get into the MCG, along with other places, next year.

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,300]

17 hours ago, rpfc said:

Full capacity will rely on almost universal vaccination of the 12+ population. Only the no hopers talking about their freedumbs will probably never get vaxxed and ruin that dream for 2022 and 2023.

They'll surely have full crowds with people having to sign in confirming vax status or medical exemption status. No way they can keep these restrictions going for a 3rd year, they'll be turfed out regardless of peoples political leanings.

[Foopy on the telly 529]

3 hours ago, old dee said:

I am not sure we will ever see "normal" again but a Covid normal would be very nice. From my friends and Rels I see now that people are on some levels just ignoring the advice now. They are well and truly over not seeing their family, they take reasonable precautions and then just do it. This is as true as I sit here typing I have one elderly friend who said to me "this is worse than dying I am vaccinated and I am not doing it any more I am seeing my family,  if I catch Covid and die so be it".

 

Mate, pandemics don’t last forever. We’re going to see normal again. Not “CoViD-nOrMaL”, but plain old normal. Those who say otherwise don’t use their brain enough.

(that last sentence wasn’t direct at you though).

[DubDee 26,117]

A lot can and should change in the next 2 months. 

I am confident we will have a celebration at the G of vaccinated fans with 10s of thousands attending in December 

[daisycutter 29,738]

the only thing i'm sure of is..........we are premiers..............yay!

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

They'll surely have full crowds with people having to sign in confirming vax status or medical exemption status. No way they can keep these restrictions going for a 3rd year, they'll be turfed out regardless of peoples political leanings.

Beware the Northern Winter

If Europe and the US have a bad covid winter (think 40 year old vaccinated people dying in numbers) with a new variant 2022 may resemble 2021

Hope I am very wrong but this time last year we all thought 2021 would be sunshine and roses.