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I am rapidly getting annoyed at people who will not get vaccinated. It is the only way we will get back to a situation where the community can function admittedly with some  restrictions. While I never thought I would say this but people need to start dieing before these idiots take it seriously. Time to set a date. Vaccinate by then or suffer the consequences. We cannot be shut down much longer. 

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    1 hour ago, old dee said:

    I am rapidly getting annoyed at people who will not get vaccinated. It is the only way we will get back to a situation where the community can function admittedly with some  restrictions. While I never thought I would say this but people need to start dieing before these idiots take it seriously. Time to set a date. Vaccinate by then or suffer the consequences. We cannot be shut down much longer. 

    Of course there are some people who simply are not able to get appointments for Pfizer . Supply still constrained especially in rural and regional Australia 

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    If anyone lives in Melbourne and wants Pfizer I know one GP clinic who is going to be administering them to under 40s from next Monday. DM me and I’ll send you their details. 

     
    5 minutes ago, Jaded said:

    If anyone lives in Melbourne and wants Pfizer I know one GP clinic who is going to be administering them to under 40s from next Monday. DM me and I’ll send you their details. 

    What about over 60's?


    5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Food for thought. And data from a proper source, too.

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    Very interesting.

    Didn't realise AZ's efficacy was that much lower than Pfizer to begin with after second dose.

    46 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    Very interesting.

    Didn't realise AZ's efficacy was that much lower than Pfizer to begin with after second dose.

    they are both almost 100% effective against death and hospitalisation.

    Here's an article where three double vaccinated Brits discuss getting covid. The big take away is that none went to hospital and for the hardest hit was a very bad cold.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/23/what-does-getting-covid-feel-like-for-the-fully-vaccinated

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    Will be interesting to see which of our gung ho premiers is the first to impose vaccinations as a precondition to various activities.

    Below is the list of activities limited from Oct 24 in British Columbia (Canada) to those who are double vaxed. Children under 12 are exempt but there are no religious exemptions. (Not sure how health exemptions are dealt with.) Between now and October 24 the restrictions still apply but only require one jab.

    • indoor ticketed sporting events
    • indoor concerts
    • indoor theatre/dance/symphony events
    • restaurants (indoor and patio dining)
    • night clubs
    • casinos
    • movie theatres
    • fitness centres/gyms (excluding youth recreational sport)
    • businesses offering indoor high-intensity group exercise activities
    • organized indoor events (e.g., weddings, parties, conferences, meetings, workshops)
    • discretionary organized indoor group recreational classes and activities
    • student housing on college and university campuses
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    Guys everyone in Victoria is eligible for Pfizer from tomorrow morning (over 16 obviously). 
    Let’s go!

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    15 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Will be interesting to see which of our gung ho premiers is the first to impose vaccinations as a precondition to various activities.

    Below is the list of activities limited from Oct 24 in British Columbia (Canada) to those who are double vaxed. Children under 12 are exempt but there are no religious exemptions. (Not sure how health exemptions are dealt with.) Between now and October 24 the restrictions still apply but only require one jab.

    • indoor ticketed sporting events
    • indoor concerts
    • indoor theatre/dance/symphony events
    • restaurants (indoor and patio dining)
    • night clubs
    • casinos
    • movie theatres
    • fitness centres/gyms (excluding youth recreational sport)
    • businesses offering indoor high-intensity group exercise activities
    • organized indoor events (e.g., weddings, parties, conferences, meetings, workshops)
    • discretionary organized indoor group recreational classes and activities
    • student housing on college and university campuses

    I think NSW will be first, they aren’t going to get to Covid Zero and they have been the state to try to keep things open. VIC next, there’ll be a big push by Victorians when they see NSW open up and Danny Boy has been pretty strong on vaccinations being the pathway to freedom. 

    WA last. McGowen indicating he wants COVID zero even after vaccinations have reached their targets is not only laughable but damaging. If they really want that then they won’t be able to have tourists while the rest of the country opens up. 

    4 minutes ago, Pates said:

    I think NSW will be first, they aren’t going to get to Covid Zero and they have been the state to try to keep things open. VIC next, there’ll be a big push by Victorians when they see NSW open up and Danny Boy has been pretty strong on vaccinations being the pathway to freedom. 

    WA last. McGowen indicating he wants COVID zero even after vaccinations have reached their targets is not only laughable but damaging. If they really want that then they won’t be able to have tourists while the rest of the country opens up. 

    I think you may be right but it is somewhat ironic that the States who slam their borders shut so tightly could be the last to quasi mandate the vaccine.

    The interesting line in the British Columbia restriction was "weddings, conferences etc".

     

    This is only anecdotal so make of it what you will

    There is a surprising level of hesitancy out there. I have in-laws and clients who are dubious about the vaccines. Enough to make me wonder whether we'll get to 80% easily. Reckon there will have to be a nudge applied somehow. What's weird is that these people are not anti-vaxx per se (they have had other jabs) rather they are anti covid-vaxx

    Mandatory vaxxing is legally difficult to do (i know Fair Work are working around the clock trying to figure out the position for employers), perhaps incentives will encourage the slackers. Not sure

    Anyway, its great to have supply sorted but the next problem to resolve is the hesitancy.

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    1 hour ago, Jaded said:

    Guys everyone in Victoria is eligible for Pfizer from tomorrow morning (over 16 obviously). 
    Let’s go!

    thought that might be the Federal announcement.

    Victoria will use the Polish supply for the 16-29 year olds which means 150k doses at most.

    Will be gone in 15-30 minutes is my guess

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    I note that the FDA in the US has just in the last 24-48 hours provided Pfizer with final, formal approval. I suspect some of the vaccine hesitancy is caused by the Emergency Use Authorisation which has enabled it to be used up until now. According to my US contacts (who I should point out are not in the medical field) there is a view there that many in America believe the Pfizer that has received its final approval is a different product to the one in use until now. That is, they believe it must be an updated and therefore better and/or safer vaccine. All simply due to a misunderstanding of the approval process. I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the reasons for hesitancy here, too.


    5 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    thought that might be the Federal announcement.

    Victoria will use the Polish supply for the 16-29 year olds which means 150k doses at most.

    Will be gone in 15-30 minutes is my guess

    I think the Vic announcement states that there are 430,000 Pfizer doses and another approx 400,000 AZ being made available with bookings opening for 16-39 year olds tomorrow at 7 am.

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    3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    they are both almost 100% effective against death and hospitalisation.

    Here's an article where three double vaccinated Brits discuss getting covid. The big take away is that none went to hospital and for the hardest hit was a very bad cold.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/23/what-does-getting-covid-feel-like-for-the-fully-vaccinated

    Oxford study now showing Vaxzevria more effective than Pfizer at 6 months. Moderna > Pfizer data from US.

    Israel now preferencing Moderna.

    Pfizer appears to be quite a lot less effective (against symptomatic Delta transmission)

    we’re taking 42% Pfizer v 76% Moderna

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    2 hours ago, BDA said:

    This is only anecdotal so make of it what you will

    There is a surprising level of hesitancy out there. I have in-laws and clients who are dubious about the vaccines. Enough to make me wonder whether we'll get to 80% easily. Reckon there will have to be a nudge applied somehow. What's weird is that these people are not anti-vaxx per se (they have had other jabs) rather they are anti covid-vaxx

    Mandatory vaxxing is legally difficult to do (i know Fair Work are working around the clock trying to figure out the position for employers), perhaps incentives will encourage the slackers. Not sure

    Anyway, its great to have supply sorted but the next problem to resolve is the hesitancy.

    I suspect this challenge is being under estimated.  Now the supply has been sorted, Australia is following the trend of other countries and hitting all the low hanging fruit of those who can’t wait for their vaccines. But it’s likely to slow down  

     

    This article also makes some interesting observations about highly vaccinated countries/regions and the continued need for social restrictions: 

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/24/why-is-covid-surging-in-highly-vaccinated-israel-and-what-can-australia-learn-from-it?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    3 hours ago, Pates said:

    I think NSW will be first, they aren’t going to get to Covid Zero and they have been the state to try to keep things open. VIC next, there’ll be a big push by Victorians when they see NSW open up and Danny Boy has been pretty strong on vaccinations being the pathway to freedom. 

    WA last. McGowen indicating he wants COVID zero even after vaccinations have reached their targets is not only laughable but damaging. If they really want that then they won’t be able to have tourists while the rest of the country opens up. 

    Which is why I reckon Gil would be absolutely mad to even negotiate with McGowan on the GF.  Cannot be trusted.  Adelaide Oval must now be the front runner. 

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    FWIW a friend of mine went to a cardiologist today who said the pop up vaccination clinic in St Kilda is a good bet for walk up injections as quite a few people are missing appointments. 


    4 hours ago, BDA said:

    There is a surprising level of hesitancy out there. I have in-laws and clients who are dubious about the vaccines. Enough to make me wonder whether we'll get to 80% easily. Reckon there will have to be a nudge applied somehow. What's weird is that these people are not anti-vaxx per se (they have had other jabs) rather they are anti covid-vaxx

    2020: we need a vaccine, fast!

    2021: whoa, not that fast.

     

     

     

    I assume the pro unvaccinated are happy to live in and out of lockdowns for the rest or their lives and/or be excluded from every day events such as movies, sporting events, concerts, restaurants, pubs etc...

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