COVID & AFL 2021

[binman 42,682]

The SA cases are international arrivals, not community cases, so no shut border i assume:

'Health and government authorities approved a COVID-19 positive family to fly in from overseas to Australia last week on a privately-funded medevac flight'

Interesting that the SA health and government authorities allowed a covid positive family to fly in on a privately charted jet given the seemingly ridiculously, over the top  processes the Pies and cats had to endure to play a game of footy there (that the dees elected to avoid by playing the QB game in NSW instead of at Adelaide oval). 

[binman 42,682]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

SA has had a family test positive. Lockdown imminent.

We play Port over there, likely on Friday week.

Could it moved to VIC or TAS (but hopefully VIC)??

 

The SA cases are international arrivals, not community cases, so no shut border i assume:

'Health and government authorities approved a COVID-19 positive family to fly in from overseas to Australia last week on a privately-funded medevac flight'

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by binman

[titan_uranus 24,975]

11 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

On the other hand, just a few weeks worth of a Covid-19 cluster spread without either large-scale vaccine coverage or lockdowns would kill hundreds - and then it would really get going.

3 hours ago, ManDee said:

Where do you get the data that supports the bolded sentence?

Victoria had more than 800 deaths from COVID last year, almost all of which occurred during the second wave.

Do you seriously doubt the proposition that if COVID is left un-defended by either vaccines or lockdowns/restrictions, there wouldn't be hundreds of deaths?

[Jaded No More 68,867]

5 minutes ago, binman said:

The SA cases are international arrivals, not community cases, so no shut border i assume:

'Health and government authorities approved a COVID-19 positive family to fly in from overseas to Australia last week on a privately-funded medevac flight'

Interesting that the SA health and government authorities allowed a covid positive family to fly in on a privately charted jet given the seemingly ridiculously, over the top  processes the Pies and cats had to endure to play a game of footy there (that the dees elected to avoid by playing the QB game in NSW instead of at Adelaide oval). 

Good for SA. Bad for us. 
Go to lockdown SA. You suck and nobody likes you anyway. 

[old dee 23,781]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Victoria... The Covid Free State (well almost)

I am having trouble hiding my smug feelings from interstate friends and rels.

[binman 42,682]

23 hours ago, faultydet said:

binman, it is indeed interesting that you comment in a negative way about facts that are sourced from the state governments themselves. No leftist commentator wants to go anywhere near the hospitalization numbers, because it gives a clearer picture of the hysterical overreactions to this virus. It's all cases, cases, cases.

Hospital numbers don't change because of the messenger.

faulty, my 'quite a tell' comment was related to the fact you watch Paul Murry every night, not the hospitalization data.

Paul Murry is a Murdoch lapdog with zero credibility, and is someone i would not trust in anyway on any subject. But given you watch him every night i suspect i am not gong to convince you about how big a dill he is, how dangerous and divisive he, and his Murdoch ilk, are. A poison. So i won't bother.

On hospitalization numbers, i have no idea what you mean by no leftist commentator wants to go any where near. Whcy would they want to avoid it. I can't recall the number but di we not have 800 deaths in Victoria last year? 

And just looking at the todays numbers from NSW they have had 171 cases in this latest outbreak. One of them is in ICU . People are fretting about the extremely small chance of getting seriously ill from AZ. Imagine if the odds were one in 171 of going to ICU.

In those same figures NSW reports it has had 5, 637 cases of covid in total and 56 deaths, So one in a hundred (and it is worth noting they didn't have the same issues we di in aged care). 

Paul Murray and his acolytes might not care about those figures, but most Australians do. 

But lets not debate it faulty, coz there is zero chance we will come together on this topic. 

[Slartibartfast 17,190]

3 minutes ago, binman said:

But lets not debate it faulty, coz there is zero chance we will come together on this topic. 

So you've got a closed mind on this Bin?

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,685]

30 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Good for SA. Bad for us. 
Go to lockdown SA. You suck and nobody likes you anyway. 

Harsh Jaded.

[ManDee 7,124]

37 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Victoria had more than 800 deaths from COVID last year, almost all of which occurred during the second wave.

Do you seriously doubt the proposition that if COVID is left un-defended by either vaccines or lockdowns/restrictions, there wouldn't be hundreds of deaths?

It was a simple question about where he got the data. I note that it has not been answered so I shall assume supposition. He may well be right. However we are much better at treating Covid now compared to last year hence the question about the data.

Edited June 30, 2021 by ManDee

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,685]

No lockdown in SA. Cases were a family of 5 from the NT mines cluster and have been self isolating at home from day 1.

dodged a bullet.

Edited June 30, 2021 by Win4theAges

[Jaded No More 68,867]

2 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Harsh Jaded.

It was clearly a joke. Sorry SA I’m happy you avoid a lockdown. I still think you’re a ridiculous state. 

[rjay 24,887]

29 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

So you've got a closed mind on this Bin?

A friend of mine does some work with a minor celebrity (maybe underselling him, he's quite well known) who believes the earth is flat.

When my friend was asked what it would take to get him to change his mind and believe the earth was flat he said,  'evidence'...

Edited June 30, 2021 by rjay

[binman 42,682]

1 hour ago, Baghdad Bob said:

So you've got a closed mind on this Bin?

On Paul Murray? Absolutely BB

On the risk of lockdown versus hospitalizations? Not at all, except if the argument is coming from Paul Murray, or any of his Murdoch mafia ilk.  Simply no point engaging in a discussion with those with such a clear philosophical agenda. 

It is both hilarious, and tragic, the knots the Murdoch mafia have tied themselves in over the approach by different states to lockdown, now that their exemplar has elected to also go into lockdown (many would say a week too late - not the Murdoch mafia of course).

The hypocrisy and misinformation that has underpinned their coverage is staggering.  Just one of thousands of examples:

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by binman

[Diamond_Jim 12,549]

1 hour ago, Superunknown said:

Can you explain why this is an issue?

Read the ATAGI advice carefully

AZ is preferred not banned

Not going to argue however

[Diamond_Jim 12,549]

2 hours ago, binman said:

The SA cases are international arrivals, not community cases, so no shut border i assume:

'Health and government authorities approved a COVID-19 positive family to fly in from overseas to Australia last week on a privately-funded medevac flight'

 

You have to wonder how the pre flight PCR testing worked here.

The usual excuse for it not working is that they caught it on the way to the airport etc but the odds with a private plane should have been very very low.

Queensland have had four quarantine failures in 10 days. Not going well up there.

Edit... it appears that SA knew beforehand that they were covid positive

Interesting

Second edit: ABC saying it was an international flight but from the NT press conference it seems to be  an NT miner flying to Adelaide who then his infected family.

Plane stopped in Alice and now Alice is locked down.... I'm lost !!

Edited June 30, 2021 by Diamond_Jim

[ManDee 7,124]

57 minutes ago, binman said:

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In those same figures NSW reports it has had 5, 637 cases of covid in total and 56 deaths, So one in a hundred (and it is worth noting they didn't have the same issues we di in aged care). 

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Binnie I agree with much of what you say, however NSW has a population of 8.1 million . So it is not 1 in 100. It's a minute death rate. NB: None this year.   So the 56 deaths last year compares to a road toll of 297 (NOTE:- you can still drive) Less than 4 million Australians have had Astra Zenneca with 2 deaths attributed. The risk of getting Covid today is low and dying lower but we should be vigilant and vaccinate ASAP providing you can get the preferred jab. 

[Slartibartfast 17,190]

22 minutes ago, binman said:

On Paul Murray? Absolutely BB

On the risk of lockdown versus hospitalizations? Not at all, except if the argument is coming from Paul Murray, or any of his Murdoch mafia ilk.  Simply no point engaging in a discussion with  those with such a clear philosophical agenda. 

It is is both hilarious, and tragic, the knots the Muitrdoch mafia have tied themselves in over the approach by different states to lockdown, now that their exemplar has elected to to go into lockdown (many would sat a week too late - not Mrudcoh mafia of course).

The hypocrisy and misinformation that has underpinned their coverage is staggering.  Just one of thousands of examples:

 

That's fine Bin, I don't like the Murray show either because there is no diversity, at least in the half hour or so that I've watched it. It's a bit like Q&A and a number of ABC shows in that regard.  They all just push an agenda.

But I've never agreed to the stance that you reject someone based on who they are or who employs them, I alway look at the argument put forward.  And to avoid the views of those you don't agree with lacks a bit of intellectual rigor.

 

[drysdale demon 4,830]

1 hour ago, binman said:

Paul Murry is a Murdoch lapdog with zero credibility, and is someone i would not trust in anyway on any subject. But given you watch him every night i suspect i am not gong to convince you about how big a dill he is, how dangerous and divisive he, and his Murdoch ilk, are. A poison. So i won't bother.

So you are fairly biased against him and believe all the garbage that comes from the other media clowns.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,778]

All 18 teams now in VIC. Even Adelaide who are supposed to be playing at home this Saturday in a state that currently isn't locked down.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/639559/update-crows-power-off-to-victoria-as-sa-covid-cases-emerge

Here's what my 18 team Melbourne hub looks like for round 17:

Port Adel V Melbourne GMHBA - Thu  7:20pm

Bulldogs V Sydney - Marvel - Fri  7:50pm

Hawthorn V Fremantle  - Launceston - Sat 1:45pm

West Coast  V North Melb -GMHBA - Sat 4:35pm

Essendon V Adelaide  - Marvel - Sat 7:25pm

Carlton V Geelong - MCG - Sat 7:25pm

GWS V GC - Ballarat - Sun 1:10pm

Richmond V Collingwood - MCG Sun 3:25pm

Brisbane V St Kilda - GMHBA - Sun 4:40pm

 

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by Bring-Back-Powell

[rjay 24,887]

5 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

All 18 teams now in VIC. Even Adelaide who are supposed to be playing at home this Saturday in a state that currently isn't locked down.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/639559/update-crows-power-off-to-victoria-as-sa-covid-cases-emerge

I guess they don't trust the SA chief health officer...that's a surprise.

[binman 42,682]

9 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Binnie I agree with much of what you say, however NSW has a population of 8.1 million . So it is not 1 in 100. It's a minute death rate. NB: None this year.   So the 56 deaths last year compares to a road toll of 297 (NOTE:- you can still drive) Less than 4 million Australians have had Astra Zenneca with 2 deaths attributed. The risk of getting Covid today is low and dying lower but we should be vigilant and vaccinate ASAP providing you can get the preferred jab. 

It is one in hundred of the people who have caught covid. Meaning if 1000 people get covid 10 will die. Which is low, because the international data suggest 2% death, so it would be 2O.

The rest of your data is irrelevant. And a weird strawman argument to boot. What does 8.1 million people in NSW have to do with anything. The reason only 56 people have died from COVID in NSW i becuase they, like the rest of the country have aggressively pursued a can elimination, zero covid strategy. Hence their current lockdown. 

If they had instead had a suppression, minimization strategy they might have had 100, 000 covid cases and a 1,000 deaths (maybe more, who knows).

And your road toll number? Meaningless with out the context of the total number of individual trips and/or hours on the road.

This data is from budget direct;

• The average vehicle travelled 13,301 km per year, or 36.4 km per day
• The total kilometres travelled on Australian roads in 2018 was 255,031 million

For the sake of argument we applied a 0.01% death rate to the total kilometers travelled on Australian roads, in  2018 there would have been 225,503 deaths. Would we still drive then?

And mandee, you have been at pains to point out you are not prepared to take the risk of the complications of having the AZ vaccine. You will wait for les risky option. Which of course is your right. 

So it seems kinda contradictory to be pointing out that 4 million Australians have had Astra Zenneca and only 2 deaths. Why are you waiting?

 

[ManDee 7,124]

1 minute ago, binman said:

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So it seems kinda contradictory to be pointing out that 4 million Australians have had Astra Zenneca and only 2 deaths. Why are you waiting?

 

As I have stated, I think by next year we will all have to have mRNA vaccines as a booster due to new strains of Covid. If a lower risk and better drug is an option I will take it. If not and the risk of getting Covid increases I will have AZ. There has not been a locally acquired case of Covid where I live. My view is the risk of getting Covid is low in Australia and lower where I live, the state governments by and large have done a great job. I can wait, but I could change my mind tomorrow.  I agree on Paul Murray.

[binman 42,682]

33 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

That's fine Bin, I don't like the Murray show either because there is no diversity, at least in the half hour or so that I've watched it. It's a bit like Q&A and a number of ABC shows in that regard.  They all just push an agenda.

But I've never agreed to the stance that you reject someone based on who they are or who employs them, I alway look at the argument put forward.  And to avoid the views of those you don't agree with lacks a bit of intellectual rigor.

 

Agree to an extent BB. But not when it comes to partisan zealots. 

And with Paul Murray i can assure you i do not reject him based on his employer.

No doubt there are any number of excellent  journos who work for Murdoch, many of whom who hold views contrary to mine and that  would be happy to engage in a discussion with. 

I reject him Murray because of his truly offensive and dangerous views on all manner of issues. For the same reason i reject Pauline Hanson and repudiate her views.  

I'm all for intellectual rigor and debate BB. But to engage with the arguments of such people is to give their aberrant views some level of credibility.  

And i refuse to engage with world views that have as their foundation a belief that there is alternative facts.

Such engagement leads us to the insane situation in America where tens of millions of Americans believe trumps big lie (more than 50% of republican voters), tens of millions believe in Qanon and people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and mark Gaetz can be elected to congress.

And who has laid the ground work for that reality? Murdoch.

And people are crazy if they think we  are not risk of heading down that path here. 

[Adam The God 30,129]

Given the AFL have got their SA teams on planes and into Victoria, the SA Government clearly expects the possibility of another SA lockdown or breach of their hotel quarantine set up again.

It has to increase the chances that our Port game is played at Geelong or in Tassie.

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

3 minutes ago, A F said:

It has to increase the chances that our Port game is played at Geelong or in Tassie.

My tip is Friday night at Marvel.