Winger, winger, chicken dinner?!

[WERRIDEE 5,572]

Bowey would be the best option. Has the speed and footy nous. We have a lot of players playing out of position, Daw should be CHB, Petty should CHF and Joel.Smith should be FP. Bowey is another that should be placed on the wing. Rosman another that should be on the wing.

[spirit of norm smith 16,615]

13 hours ago, layzie said:

I'm still annoyed we missed out on Tom Phillips, I'm sure it would have been looked at if we were able to move T-Mac but that wasn't the case. But it shouldn't have come down to that anyway. 

Of course he's going to do well at the Hawks, useful players tend to go there (aside from recent years). Whereas we like the left field eye brow raiser like Tomlinson.

Agree. I’d been pushing Tom Phillips as a target for a while even before end of 2020. He was clearly gettable and we missed out.  Mahoney and Goodwin’s claim of making Tomlinson a wing option is ridiculous.  He is too slow and static. 

[buck_nekkid 6,068]

The game has changed again.  The value of fast, accurate and high footy iq ‘quarterbacks’ off HB (short and Daniels as examples) is becoming apparent to set up overlap chains.  Salem and Bowey work there for mine (more so than Hunt) with Kozzie pressing up to be the corridor speedster.  This leaves Langdon as the preferred wing option on one side, and still a gap on the other.  Rosman is a longer term possibility.  Baker has shown flashes, but might need more time.  It could also be TMac  on rotation.  At least we have one wing sorted.  Wish R Flower at his peak could be slotted onto the other wing, or maybe S Stretch.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

The wing problem has me stumped. I was not a star footballer, so know that at the outset.  I mostly played full CHF and it was always tough to get a kick let alone star. However for some reson one day my coach put me on the wing. It was as if playing a totally different game. I think I got two to three times the kicks as CHF with the same ability I had previously. other than getting caught for pace against a racehorse type a good AFL player should be able to play the wing competently. It is in my opinion a lot about positioning and footy smarts. I may be wrong so go for your life if you think what I say is too simple.

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

7 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

The wing problem has me stumped. I was not a star footballer, so know that at the outset.  I mostly played full CHF and it was always tough to get a kick let alone star. However for some reson one day my coach put me on the wing. It was as if playing a totally different game. I think I got two to three times the kicks as CHF with the same ability I had previously. other than getting caught for pace against a racehorse type a good AFL player should be able to play the wing competently. It is in my opinion a lot about positioning and footy smarts. I may be wrong so go for your life if you think what I say is too simple.

Played wing myself a few times and it was definitely easier to rack up possessions than sitting in the forward line.  The issue i found is that i blew up rather quickly as the running required was extreme compared to playing forward.  Whoever plays the role is going to need to have a fair sized tank unless we plan on just rotating players through there.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

7 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Played wing myself a few times and it was definitely easier to rack up possessions than sitting in the forward line.  The issue i found is that i blew up rather quickly as the running required was extreme compared to playing forward.  Whoever plays the role is going to need to have a fair sized tank unless we plan on just rotating players through there.

We have a very good one in Langdon, two star wingman are feared and win you premierships. 

[Pates 9,670]

22 hours ago, Demon3 said:

This is where this club annoys me so much, they went hard at Isaac Smith then when he chose Geelong they decided to stop the search.. Tom Phillips was there, he was there for the taking, he would have complimented this side so much. If We are trotting out Oscar Baker or Tom Mcdonlad as our wing then we are stuft.

St Kilda went and targeted players, they got them, Bulldogs did the same, the Bombers and the Hawks do it.. we think getting Brown was all we needed.. its an absolute farce and the club is selling hope and finals.. please.. just get professional.. our coach wears shorts and looks like he hadn't slept for 5 weeks yesterday.. is just a poorly run, unprofessional football CLUB.

Just a bit fed up with it all.

Very close to my exact thoughts. All well and good to have a target, when that target failed I just can’t work out why they didn’t then turn their attention to Phillips who surely would’ve been keener to play for a club more likely to be competing for finals this year rather than a club going through a rebuild. He would’ve slotted in perfectly and certainly better than any of the options we have tried so far. 

That said we’ve made our bed so now to lie in it. I’m not sure if he’s got the fitness for it but would Petty be an option? The more likely option would be to send Petty to cover Tomlinson and give Tommo another crack. Baker doesn’t seem up to it, BUT if the club believes he’s a serious option then play him for 3-4 games and tell him to own the responsibility. No use in giving him one game to sink or swim. 

TMac is not a winger, play him in the forward line. It’s where he needs to be. 

[Reader 99]

10 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Bowey would be the best option. Has the speed and footy nous. We have a lot of players playing out of position, Daw should be CHB, Petty should CHF and Joel.Smith should be FP. Bowey is another that should be placed on the wing. Rosman another that should be on the wing.

I think Bowey would be good but its a bit early, he would need to have a remarkable year to handle a full season plus finals given the wear and tear on an 18 - 19 year old. So give Bowey a go and then rotate Salem and Bedford and Tomlinson?

Too early for Rosman 

Wouldn't mind Deakin Smyth, but that is a huge call as well

Edited March 10, 2021 by Reader

[Roger Mellie 4,173]

Maybe  a combination of players to rotate through. Melksham is certainly smart enough to play the role and his delivery into the forward line can be sublime. If he's done the work over some before pinging his string then give him a crack. I don't see him running up and down all day but he is crafty enough to adapt. If he brings last years attitude then he shouldn't be in the team. Let's hope it was just a case of hub cabin fever. I also hope the hamstring injury wasn't an sign that he can't manage the running load.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I like Fritsch in the role but acknowledge he is needed elsewhere. He can certainly spend time on the wing in a shared role. Bowey would also work. He has the skill level, smarts and a bit of speed but I think it's a lot to ask of a first year player. Laurie might also be an option and much later Rosman. Of our inside mids Jordon could spend time there. I think he has the tank and is better at getting to the outside of the contest than the others but he's a bit of a plodder.

My choice would be a combination of Bowey , Fritsch, and try Melksham with assistance from others.

Not keen on Baker (Casey), TMac (running ability only gets you so far and needed fwd) , Salem (needed elsewhere), Jones for the role.

 

[Demonstone 23,338]

I was out in the garden earlier and I saw a sparrow on the wing.   Could this be an omen?

[Reader 99]

43 minutes ago, demonstone said:

I was out in the garden earlier and I saw a sparrow on the wing.   Could this be an omen?

Could be, would be great to see a young player make wing his own

[Kent 2,918]

6 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

The game has changed again.  The value of fast, accurate and high footy iq ‘quarterbacks’ off HB (short and Daniels as examples) is becoming apparent to set up overlap chains.  Salem and Bowey work there for mine (more so than Hunt) with Kozzie pressing up to be the corridor speedster.  This leaves Langdon as the preferred wing option on one side, and still a gap on the other.  Rosman is a longer term possibility.  Baker has shown flashes, but might need more time.  It could also be TMac  on rotation.  At least we have one wing sorted.  Wish R Flower at his peak could be slotted onto the other wing, or maybe S Stretch.

pls stop talking about T Mac on the wing

He is not good enough!

[Reader 99]

27 minutes ago, Kent said:

pls stop talking about T Mac on the wing

He is not good enough!

What about Kozzie?

Speed tick

Agility tick

Aggression tick

Tackling tick

Worth a shot perhaps?

[Roger Mellie 4,173]

1 minute ago, Reader said:

What about Kozzie?

Speed tick

Agility tick

Aggression tick

Tackling tick

Worth a shot perhaps?

Endurance X

[Reader 99]

6 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

Endurance X

Langdon and ANB would be fitter

Im not convinced Kozzie couldn't handle the wing

Wouldn't be less fit than Tomlinson, Jones, Harmes or Brayshaw 

 

[Kent 2,918]

25 minutes ago, Reader said:

What about Kozzie?

Speed tick

Agility tick

Aggression tick

Tackling tick

Worth a shot perhaps?

he is the future ok we need to perform starting next week!

[DeeSpencer 26,273]

15 minutes ago, Reader said:

Langdon and ANB would be fitter

Im not convinced Kozzie couldn't handle the wing

Wouldn't be less fit than Tomlinson, Jones, Harmes or Brayshaw 

 

Are you familiar with how fitness works?

Its very rare for such an explosive speed athlete like Koz to have elite fitness. Even rarer for him to have it at 19 in his second year.

He is almost certainly less fit than all those players you’ve mentioned. Brayshaw the only query because he’s on the way back from injury. 

It would be nice to have Kozzie’s burst speed on the wing but what we need is someone who can do repeat 100m sprints up and back at a high level. Apart from the occasional freakish draft pick that usually means someone with a lot of preseasons.

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

39 minutes ago, Reader said:

Langdon and ANB would be fitter

Im not convinced Kozzie couldn't handle the wing

Wouldn't be less fit than Tomlinson, Jones, Harmes or Brayshaw 

 

How about Bedford?  He has big tank and came high in time trials last year.  Extremely fast, not sure what his best position is currently as have not seen enough of him.  Probably deserves a chance if we are just going to roll through a heap of players in this position throughout the year.

[Paulo 285]

Bowey for me, played all his juniors as a winger 

He will be best 22 by season end, might as well get him in now

Edited March 10, 2021 by Paulo

[Paulo 285]

What about, jackson and bowey to swap between wing and fp and max and jackson swap between ruck an fp

Max    75% ruck 25% fp

Jackson 25 % ruck 50 % fp 25 % wing

Bowey   75% wing  25% fp

Edited March 10, 2021 by Paulo

[Reader 99]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Are you familiar with how fitness works?

Its very rare for such an explosive speed athlete like Koz to have elite fitness. Even rarer for him to have it at 19 in his second year.

He is almost certainly less fit than all those players you’ve mentioned. Brayshaw the only query because he’s on the way back from injury. 

It would be nice to have Kozzie’s burst speed on the wing but what we need is someone who can do repeat 100m sprints up and back at a high level. Apart from the occasional freakish draft pick that usually means someone with a lot of preseasons.

Yes I am.

Are you?

 

[Reader 99]

1 hour ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

How about Bedford?  He has big tank and came high in time trials last year.  Extremely fast, not sure what his best position is currently as have not seen enough of him.  Probably deserves a chance if we are just going to roll through a heap of players in this position throughout the year.

Deserves a shot, would be a brave selection 

[spirit of norm smith 16,615]

2 hours ago, Paulo said:

What about, jackson and bowey to swap between wing and fp and max and jackson swap between ruck an fp

Max    75% ruck 25% fp

Jackson 25 % ruck 50 % fp 25 % wing

Bowey   75% wing  25% fp

Now that’s a strategy. Don’t let that get out to anyone at MFC

[Turner 1,516]

7 hours ago, Reader said:

Langdon and ANB would be fitter

Im not convinced Kozzie couldn't handle the wing

Wouldn't be less fit than Tomlinson, Jones, Harmes or Brayshaw 

 

anb came to the bench an awful lot considering he's such an "aerobic beast" like at least 6 mins a quarter

5 hours ago, Paulo said:

What about, jackson and bowey to swap between wing and fp and max and jackson swap between ruck an fp

Max    75% ruck 25% fp

Jackson 25 % ruck 50 % fp 25 % wing

Bowey   75% wing  25% fp

except bowey is training and required as a defender and can't use his elite ball and foot skills in the fp like he can coming out of D50

[WERRIDEE 5,572]

12 hours ago, Reader said:

I think Bowey would be good but its a bit early, he would need to have a remarkable year to handle a full season plus finals given the wear and tear on an 18 - 19 year old. So give Bowey a go and then rotate Salem and Bedford and Tomlinson?

Too early for Rosman 

Wouldn't mind Deakin Smyth, but that is a huge call as well

I think Harmes should be played on the wing as well.