AGM 2021

[Gouga 560]

4 hours ago, old dee said:

Hunch, reading between the lines from AGM. Bartlett said the new word would be from the government. That suggests to me that he knows they are going to comment. When? Postive I think? I think they are going to announce a redevelopment of Olympic Park which will include us. 

If the announcement was imminent, surely he would have said so? And Olympic Park has already been developed by Collingwood so where are we training exactly? 

Did you mean redevelopment of Goschs Paddock? 

[rjay 24,593]

7 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

I vote for transparency at the board level.

Can Peter Jackson be our next Chairman.............. pleeeease!

 

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Could probably do worse than PJ as our next president, if he’s suited to that position.

Why not get him back as President, CEO and board...flick the rest.

Might not be democratic but what we have now isn't either...at least he would get things done.

He's got a track record for action.

[58er 5,928]

1 hour ago, Gouga said:

If the announcement was imminent, surely he would have said so? And Olympic Park has already been developed by Collingwood so where are we training exactly? 

Did you mean redevelopment of Goschs Paddock? 

Obviously there are limits of speech for Our Pres to advise and as it seems to be on Govt land and they are going to get the kudos for this Community and Sporting  Complex probably right near Richmond railway Station  redevelopment. 
Couldn't be any better placed really to maintain our historic sporting and emotional  association with that area.

As I said to rJay be patient !!!  Not much longer it would appear.

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

He's got a track record for action.

He's certainly got that. Like spending $475,000 on a feasability study for a concept that was never going to be approved. Then publicly announcing it like it was a done deal without even consulting the Govt or MCC who manage Yarra Park. Thus ensuring politically it would never happen. 

Or making a sudden, totally unthought through and unplanned for exit out of pokies without having any plan on how to cover the instant $1.5mill loss to revenue. Lovely gift to the next administration. 

Or setting up a flawed succession plan for the coaching. 

Or trying to force the Club to take Mahoney as his successor so he could continue a gig as his mentor, even though he had absolutely no commercial experience and at this point not a great record as Footy Head,  

Despite that legacy he was what the Club needed at the time and I take my hat off to him while he was here but it's not a great legacy to waxing so lyrically about. 

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5 minutes ago, It's Time said:

He's certainly got that. Like spending $475,000 on a feasability study for a concept that was never going to be approved. Then publicly announcing it like it was a done deal without even consulting the Govt or MCC who manage Yarra Park. Thus ensuring politically it would never happen. 

Or making a sudden, totally unthought through and unplanned for exit out of pokies without having any plan on how to cover the instant $1.5mill loss to revenue. Lovely gift to the next administration. 

Or setting up a flawed succession plan for the coaching. 

Or trying to force the Club to take Mahoney as his successor so he could continue a gig as his mentor, even though he had absolutely no commercial experience and at this point not a great record as Footy Head,  

Despite that legacy he was what the Club needed at the time and I take my hat off to him while he was here but it's not a great legacy to waxing so lyrically about. 

you do make some good points, it ?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

23 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Then publicly announcing it like it was a done deal without even consulting the Govt or MCC who manage Yarra Park.

Jackson: “The club is looking at a number of options for its ­future training and administration facilities, and this is one of them.”

23 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Or making a sudden, totally unthought through and unplanned for exit out of pokies without having any plan on how to cover the instant $1.5mill loss to revenue. Lovely gift to the next administration.

"Sudden"? It doesn't even completely happen until next year.

"Totally unthought through"? Jackson: “This is an important day for the club and there has been a substantial amount of work to achieve this result.”

"Without having a plan"? Jackson: “If you take the gaming revenue out of the equation, we need to make up 10 per cent of our overall revenue,”  “Over a two to three year period, we will be able to readjust and grow, and we have several ideas on how to do that.”

Perhaps you should take it up with Pert and Bartlett on what happened there?

25 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Or setting up a flawed succession plan for the coaching.

When did the CEO become solely responsible for the appointment and performance of the coach?

 

27 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Or trying to force the Club to take Mahoney as his successor so he could continue a gig as his mentor

What exactly is your evidence that Jackson 'tried to force' the club into that?

Personally, I think leaving us with an (at the time) finals quality team, a totally revamped brand, an exit from gambling, the Santa Teresa Oval Project, a new role of Indigenous Project Officer, 5 straight years of operating profit and mroe is a pretty decent legacy when you look at where we were when he first came in.

 

[rjay 24,593]

19 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Personally, I think leaving us with an (at the time) finals quality team, a totally revamped brand, an exit from gambling, the Santa Teresa Oval Project, a new role of Indigenous Project Officer, 5 straight years of operating profit and mroe is a pretty decent legacy when you look at where we were when he first came in.

...and it's all gone downhill from there.

Coinciding with the time Bartlett wanted to put his nose in.

[Its Time for Another 4,084]

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Jackson: “The club is looking at a number of options for its ­future training and administration facilities, and this is one of them.”

"Sudden"? It doesn't even completely happen until next year.

"Totally unthought through"? Jackson: “This is an important day for the club and there has been a substantial amount of work to achieve this result.”

"Without having a plan"? Jackson: “If you take the gaming revenue out of the equation, we need to make up 10 per cent of our overall revenue,”  “Over a two to three year period, we will be able to readjust and grow, and we have several ideas on how to do that.”

Perhaps you should take it up with Pert and Bartlett on what happened there?

When did the CEO become solely responsible for the appointment and performance of the coach?

 

What exactly is your evidence that Jackson 'tried to force' the club into that?

Personally, I think leaving us with an (at the time) finals quality team, a totally revamped brand, an exit from gambling, the Santa Teresa Oval Project, a new role of Indigenous Project Officer, 5 straight years of operating profit and mroe is a pretty decent legacy when you look at where we were when he first came in.

 

Yep. He announced it and killed any chance it had. Not that it apparently did. It would have been wonderful if it had.  Not sure what your point is. 

Sudden. They immediately exited Leighoak at the end of his last year.  Use numbers however you like. 10% lost revenue equated to a $1.5mill revenue hole for a Club that was barely treading above water. I'd call that sudden.  

You call stopping the pokeys cold without having the alternative revenue avenues already set up a plan. Thats not a plan mate. A plan is  putting the alternative revenue streams in place before you lose the revenue. Having several unrealised ideas is not what I call planning. 

I think you'll find Jackson, rightly took the sole credit for recruiting Roos and agreeing to the compromise of the succession plan. A great idea if it worked a terrible one if it didn't. I'm still not one to right Goody off till we see what happens this year but at this point you wouldn't call it a raging success. There might be reasons outside Goodys control so fingers crossed. 

The evidence about Jackson's wishes around his Mahoney succession were well documented at the time. He went public making it clear he was very unhappy at being excluded from the CEO appointment process and he was very unhappy about Mahoney not getting the gig. I'm not going to spend time looking it up but it's out there. Perhaps start with Wilson.

I mostly agree with your last comment about what he achieved while he was here, however, it's the way he did some of those things and their impact going forward that is his legacy.

By the way I want to make it clear I'm not a PJ hater. I'm extremely grateful he took the gig when he did and believe he may well have literally saved the place. But casting aspersions about the people here now on the basis of what he left for them to deal with is a bit rich.  

 

 

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4 minutes ago, rjay said:

...and it's all gone downhill from there.

Coinciding with the time Bartlett wanted to put his nose in.

What is it you say Bartlett has done wrong.

Are you suggesting the footy team performance is his fault. 

I think to the extent the Admin have got involved in FD reviews a lot has been done mostly to the group that was there when PJ left. I think it's looking pretty good now. Personally I choose to believe that the devastating injuries in 2019 and the interruptions last year to a group that mostly hadn't played for over a year had a lot to do with it. It would be looking entirely different if the team had continued the trajectory we all thought it would after 2018. 

Are you suggesting it's his fault the facilities are taking so long like many seem to be. 

I don't buy that. For all the reasons discussed above. 

Genuinely interested to know what sticking his nose in it Bartlett has done.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

39 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Yep. He announced it and killed any chance it had. Not that it apparently did. It would have been wonderful if it had.  Not sure what your point is.

He "announced" it was one of the options. My point is you're editorializing a fair bit with your reflections on Jackson's time.

39 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Sudden. They immediately exited Leighoak at the end of his last year.  Use numbers however you like. 10% lost revenue equated to a $1.5mill revenue hole for a Club that was barely treading above water. I'd call that sudden.  

You call stopping the pokeys cold without having the alternative revenue avenues already set up a plan. Thats not a plan mate. A plan is  putting the alternative revenue streams in place before you lose the revenue. Having several unrealised ideas is not what I call planning.

Perhaps "sudden" to you, but clearly given Jackson's actual comments it wasn't a 'sudden' decision, nor was it without thought.

They didn't 'stop the pokies cold'. Did you notice the new sponsor that came on board once we exited pokies? That was obviously part of the plan, as for the rest of the plans, as mentioned, you'd have to ask Pert and Bartlett what happened there as Jackson didn't announce what they were. I take him at his words that there were plans there though.

42 minutes ago, It's Time said:

 think you'll find Jackson, rightly took the sole credit for recruiting Roos and agreeing to the compromise of the succession plan. A great idea if it worked a terrible one if it didn't. I'm still not one to right Goody off till we see what happens this year but at this point you wouldn't call it a raging success. There might be reasons outside Goodys control so fingers crossed.

You said Jackson was responsible for setting up the 'flawed' succession plan, but now you're saying it was a compromise he accepted to get Roos on board? Given Roos was great for us and you have said yourself you haven't judged Goodwin yet, how exactly is it a failure?

44 minutes ago, It's Time said:

The evidence about Jackson's wishes around his Mahoney succession were well documented at the time. He went public making it clear he was very unhappy at being excluded from the CEO appointment process and he was very unhappy about Mahoney not getting the gig. I'm not going to spend time looking it up but it's out there. Perhaps start with Wilson.

There was lots of talk about how Jackson had seemingly groomed Mahoney to be his successor, but I'm yet to see your evidence that he was 'trying to force the club' into choosing Mahoney. The duty of providing evidence for that is on you given you're the one making the claim.

45 minutes ago, It's Time said:

By the way I want to make it clear I'm not a PJ hater. I'm extremely grateful he took the gig when he did and believe he may well have literally saved the place. But casting aspersions about the people here now on the basis of what he left for them to deal with is a bit rich. 

That's fair enough. I'm not sure then why you're re-framing so many things from Jackson's time.

I think you might find some posters here do hear things from reasonable sources, including those inside the club, so I would keep an eye on the inferences being made about Bartlett. Obviously be sceptical, it's the internet after all, but in time things will come out about Bartlett, in fact some have already started noticing given his actions around the board election, so let's wait and see how the rest of his tenure goes, however long that may be.

 

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4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

He "announced" it was one of the options. My point is you're editorializing a fair bit with your reflections on Jackson's time.

Perhaps "sudden" to you, but clearly given Jackson's actual comments it wasn't a 'sudden' decision, nor was it without thought.

They didn't 'stop the pokies cold'. Did you notice the new sponsor that came on board once we exited pokies? That was obviously part of the plan, as for the rest of the plans, as mentioned, you'd have to ask Pert and Bartlett what happened there as Jackson didn't announce what they were. I take him at his words that there were plans there though.

You said Jackson was responsible for setting up the 'flawed' succession plan, but now you're saying it was a compromise he accepted to get Roos on board? Given Roos was great for us and you have said yourself you haven't judged Goodwin yet, how exactly is it a failure?

There was lots of talk about how Jackson had seemingly groomed Mahoney to be his successor, but I'm yet to see your evidence that he was 'trying to force the club' into choosing Mahoney. The duty of providing evidence for that is on you given you're the one making the claim.

That's fair enough. I'm not sure then why you're re-framing so many things from Jackson's time.

I think you might find some posters here do hear things from reasonable sources, including those inside the club, so I would keep an eye on the inferences being made about Bartlett. Obviously be sceptical, it's the internet after all, but in time things will come out about Bartlett, in fact some have already started noticing given his actions around the board election, so let's wait and see how the rest of his tenure goes, however long that may be.

 

Respectively argued Lord Nev. Appreciate that. 

I may be editorializing but he certainly announced it and all hell let loose. However you want to categorise it after that is up to you.

As I said earlier. My definition of sudden is dropping $1.5mill in revenue and not having an alternative in place before you do it. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I agree with the sentiment of getting out of pokeys but not how it was executed.

I haven't written Goody off at this point but I would have taken Dew or especially Ratten in a heart beat but Swans wouldn't release a contracted assistant to be an assistant somewhere else. It had to be as a coach. There may have been other reasons but that was a deal breaker anyway.  For sure Ratten was never going to be appointed as an apprentice to Roos and I was really hoping we could get him so my overview is that would have been a much better alternative than the succession plan. But as we have it I have hope it will still work but it hasn't been a great performance so far. 

Call it what you like but when people go to the press it is generally to force an outcome when they aren't achieving it internally. He made it clear to the press he was unhappy at being left out of the process to appoint his successor. It was also well known he wanted that person to be Mahoney and he would mentor him.

I don't agree I'm reframing things from Jackson's time. Just being realistic from what I've seen and read

[old dee 23,491]

5 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

Yeh im not counting on people switching allegiances, but tapping into the new migrants. It's playing a very long game, and requires more than just plonking ourselves down there, as you say. But all the little things add up, such as the school visits we used to do in that area (do we still do these)? It would probably take a generation to really bear fruit - if we did it the right way, and had some sustained on-field success to accompany it. 

I think we'll always have the MCC connection as long as we remain at the 'G, but fundamentally changing the fabric of the club is probably what's required for long-term survival and sustained membership growth. 70k members as a short or medium-term target sounds like fairytale stuff to me, even if we were to win a flag or two in the next few years.  It's certainly not going to come from MCC people or whoever  / wherever we represent now. 

I think a solid 50K is probably the high mark grapeviney.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, It's Time said:

Respectively argued Lord Nev. Appreciate that. 

I may be editorializing but he certainly announced it and all hell let loose. However you want to categorise it after that is up to you.

As I said earlier. My definition of sudden is dropping $1.5mill in revenue and not having an alternative in place before you do it. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I agree with the sentiment of getting out of pokeys but not how it was executed.

I haven't written Goody off at this point but I would have taken Dew or especially Ratten in a heart beat but Swans wouldn't release a contracted assistant to be an assistant somewhere else. It had to be as a coach. There may have been other reasons but that was a deal breaker anyway.  For sure Ratten was never going to be appointed as an apprentice to Roos and I was really hoping we could get him so my overview is that would have been a much better alternative than the succession plan. But as we have it I have hope it will still work but it hasn't been a great performance so far. 

Call it what you like but when people go to the press it is generally to force an outcome when they aren't achieving it internally. He made it clear to the press he was unhappy at being left out of the process to appoint his successor. It was also well known he wanted that person to be Mahoney and he would mentor him.

I don't agree I'm reframing things from Jackson's time. Just being realistic from what I've seen and read

Fair enough mate, I won't come back about the same topics again, we'll just go in circles. We just have different perspectives on it all, which is totally fine of course. Can see your points on a lot of this.

From what I heard, Dew just turned us down. Goodwin was an assistant too, so I don't think it was about that. There's a clause in assistant coach contracts where they can break contract for a promotion, and coach in waiting would be that I would think. I'm a fan of Ratten, but at the time I don't think he was seen as a viable option for us, things have changed with time.

Definitely agree Jackson wasn't happy with the process of the CEO selection, I've just never heard anything about him trying to force things his way. For me, this was the beginning of Bartlett wanting to take centre stage, and I don't think that has been a good thing for us.

I'll just say, this year is as big for Bartlett as it is for Goodwin.

 

[old dee 23,491]

17 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Respectively argued Lord Nev. Appreciate that. 

I may be editorializing but he certainly announced it and all hell let loose. However you want to categorise it after that is up to you.

As I said earlier. My definition of sudden is dropping $1.5mill in revenue and not having an alternative in place before you do it. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I agree with the sentiment of getting out of pokeys but not how it was executed.

I haven't written Goody off at this point but I would have taken Dew or especially Ratten in a heart beat but Swans wouldn't release a contracted assistant to be an assistant somewhere else. It had to be as a coach. There may have been other reasons but that was a deal breaker anyway.  For sure Ratten was never going to be appointed as an apprentice to Roos and I was really hoping we could get him so my overview is that would have been a much better alternative than the succession plan. But as we have it I have hope it will still work but it hasn't been a great performance so far. 

Call it what you like but when people go to the press it is generally to force an outcome when they aren't achieving it internally. He made it clear to the press he was unhappy at being left out of the process to appoint his successor. It was also well known he wanted that person to be Mahoney and he would mentor him.

I don't agree I'm reframing things from Jackson's time. Just being realistic from what I've seen and read

Hi Mrs Bartlett good to see you on Demonland!!!!

[BDA 22,275]

6 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I'll just say, this year is as big for Bartlett as it is for Goodwin.

You got that right.

[58er 5,928]

5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Jackson: “The club is looking at a number of options for its ­future training and administration facilities, and this is one of them.”

"Sudden"? It doesn't even completely happen until next year.

"Totally unthought through"? Jackson: “This is an important day for the club and there has been a substantial amount of work to achieve this result.”

"Without having a plan"? Jackson: “If you take the gaming revenue out of the equation, we need to make up 10 per cent of our overall revenue,”  “Over a two to three year period, we will be able to readjust and grow, and we have several ideas on how to do that.”

Perhaps you should take it up with Pert and Bartlett on what happened there?

When did the CEO become solely responsible for the appointment and performance of the coach?

 

What exactly is your evidence that Jackson 'tried to force' the club into that?

Personally, I think leaving us with an (at the time) finals quality team, a totally revamped brand, an exit from gambling, the Santa Teresa Oval Project, a new role of Indigenous Project Officer, 5 straight years of operating profit and mroe is a pretty decent legacy when you look at where we were when he first came in.

 

We were about fourth in total crowds in 2018 and Record membership of 52,000 plus first time ever.in 2019.

[Demons1858 1,715]

Clearly the club is banking on revenue being generated out of a new footy base including naming rights sponsor, social events, and better training facilities driving better results on field ... think people are being too hard on Glen ... they seem to have done well off the field given COVID issues and don't blame him for looking tired the other night ... the club is closer than ever to getting their footy base approved with the now strong involvement of the government ... if he pulls it off he has ticked a massive box for the mfc that secures the club for the future when many others have failed. Getting it approved is the equivalent of an off field premiership win

Edited February 25, 2021 by Demons1858

[58er 5,928]

4 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

Clearly the club is banking on revenue being generated out of a new footy base including naming rights sponsor, social events, and better training facilities driving better results on field ... think people are being too hard on Glen ... they seem to have done well off the field given COVID issues and don't blame him for looking tired the other night ... the club is closer than ever to getting their footy base approved with the now strong involvement of the government ... if he pulls it off he has ticked a massive box for the mfc that secures the club for the future when many others have failed. Getting it approved is the equivalent of an off field premiership win

Totally 1858.

Far too many are critical of the location intrigue and the delay issue.

Its a once in a lifetime responsibility and having it near the MCG just seems right and the Rothey  led Working Committee have No doubt much Information we are not privy too ( nor should we be until the final Location etc is revealed.

Needs to be within the walking distance of the G so all the Admin, Sporting  needs and social Club are united as one facility. Maybe the building is over the Rail  line In part!

Agree that off the field The Committee's efforts are much underrated and the mud slinging and distrust is way over the top.

I like the way Casey Fields is developing but some imagination with transport by Almost express bus Or train and bus is  needed as a package with admission to the AFLW and Practice AAMI style games. The Club should be subsidising some of this also for Casey residents to the MCG or Marvel.

Perhaps  the Election was Too closely controlled and by going that you very often miss out on the best candidate ( for the future) who will challenge thought processes on another level without being a constant dissenter or always a devils advocate.

Lets  see anyway It's a big year on and off the field but an exciting one full of hope and expectation.

[george_on_the_outer 7,430]

2 hours ago, 58er said:

Its a once in a lifetime responsibility and having it near the MCG just seems right and the Rothey  led Working Committee have No doubt much Information we are not privy too ( nor should we be until the final Location etc is revealed.

 

 

The trouble is that I have been hearing the same story from a succession of Boards for 30 years at AGM's.  At least the Stynes board got us into AAMI, but which only solved part of the problems.

The Kate Roffey group has been " in discussions with State Government" we have been told at the past 3 AGM's of the Bartlett Board. 

Once again we are told that building will commence in 2023.  That means plans, approvals, finance etc all have to be completed by 2022.  That is NEXT year. 

This current Board has to announce an outcome by the next AGM or they are out the door!

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1 hour ago, george_on_the_outer said:

The trouble is that I have been hearing the same story from a succession of Boards for 30 years at AGM's.  At least the Stynes board got us into AAMI, but which only solved part of the problems.

The Kate Roffey group has been " in discussions with State Government" we have been told at the past 3 AGM's of the Bartlett Board. 

Once again we are told that building will commence in 2023.  That means plans, approvals, finance etc all have to be completed by 2022.  That is NEXT year. 

This current Board has to announce an outcome by the next AGM or they are out the door!

Sadly George while they control the election process to the point  that no one they dislike has a chance of election it will not happen. We will be dependent on them " doing the right thing". Ha fat chance. Reminds me of the old days when MFC members were only allowed to vote for two members of the board. 

Edited February 26, 2021 by old dee

[old dee 23,491]

I think I mention elsewhere that last year at members info night there there was a short spot from the coach. He looked like it was the last place he wanted to be. I thought he looked ill. He said he was not going to make excuses and then gave 3 excuses why we did not play finals. Last Monday his spot was 1 minute and looked totally disinterested. On both occasions his spots did not make videos of the night on the MFC site the next day. What's up there? Not a good look IMO. 

[deevotee 34]

OMG  Richardson doesn't know who's 'running around' in game B   -  what a bag of wind he is !  

GREAT win Dees

Pity Casey is 100 kms away and no train station.  

Apologies Richardson, it was Balme.  But you're still a bag of wind !

Edited February 26, 2021 by deevotee
mistaken identity

[deevotee 34]

What a coincidence !!

Gun debut by Kade Chandler kicking three goals in 'A' practice game against Richmond today

I did some research and Chandler is GOLD Player Sponsored by Peter Lawrence, the candidate Bartlett effectively disenfranchised from the Board elections. Our Club just lost a Director Candidate who knows his footy, AND puts his money into it. Pretty rare that.

Stand by FOI for voting results ......

[poita 3,874]

4 hours ago, old dee said:

I think I mention elsewhere that last year at members info night there there was a short spot from the coach. He looked like it was the last place he wanted to be. I thought he looked ill. He said he was not going to make excuses and then gave 3 excuses why we did not play finals. Last Monday his spot was 1 minute and looked totally disinterested. On both occasions his spots did not make videos of the night on the MFC site the next day. What's up there? Not a good look IMO. 

This club cannot afford to have a coach who does nothing to market the club. An underachieving football team, a small membership and a coach with the personality of a lettuce leaf is going to ensure we remain largely invisible for the foreseeable future.

[praha 11,119]

On 2/25/2021 at 8:37 AM, Roger Mellie said:

I vote for transparency at the board level.

Can Peter Jackson be our next Chairperson.............. pleeeease!

Fixed it ya bigot.