It makes me sick it should be us up there.

Maybe they watched "To Hell and Back" and thought better of involving melbourne....

They will win a flag before we do.

1 hour ago, old dee said:

They will win a flag before we do.

With the greatest respect Old Dee, can I ask why your posts are always so negative? (And I don’t want to hear about the last dreadful 56 years again!)  I love DL - I can always get some facts, a lot of BS, and some laughs - all of which I enjoy. I even enjoy the kooks on here. But when every post from a lovely old man is always so negative, it’s such a downer.(and I have no wish to turn you off - just want more “up-beatness” In your tone).

just once I’d luv to hear you say something positive. And that does not include you saying that you’re positive that you are a pessimist!

24 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

With the greatest respect Old Dee, can I ask why your posts are always so negative? (And I don’t want to hear about the last dreadful 56 years again!)  I love DL - I can always get some facts, a lot of BS, and some laughs - all of which I enjoy. I even enjoy the kooks on here. But when every post from a lovely old man is always so negative, it’s such a downer.(and I have no wish to turn you off - just want more “up-beatness” In your tone).

just once I’d luv to hear you say something positive. And that does not include you saying that you’re positive that you are a pessimist!

No idea how people perceive what I write NC, I said this back in 2018 and 19  when we fell in against them and again last year.

They are improving their list each year and have a FD that at last seems to know what it is doing.

Their development seems on the rise each year ours has fallen the last two years.

I just have the feeling they will get to a flag before us. What you see as negative I see as realism.

I have not been wrong on Demonland to often about where we will finish each year.

I expect us to finish in the eight this year but win a flag not for a few years yet, who knows we might play Carlton in our next GF appearance.

 

"I just have the feeling they will get to a flag before us. What you see as negative I see as realism."

We are talking about Carlton, right? The Carlton with this recent record...

2020 11th

2019 16th

2018 18th

2017 16th

2016 14th

2015 18th

2014 13th

2013 8th (was that the Essendrug year?)

Can someone please point out how that record represents development?

1 hour ago, waynewussell said:

"I just have the feeling they will get to a flag before us. What you see as negative I see as realism."

We are talking about Carlton, right? The Carlton with this recent record...

2020 11th

2019 16th

2018 18th

2017 16th

2016 14th

2015 18th

2014 13th

2013 8th (was that the Essendrug year?)

Can someone please point out how that record represents development?

You don't see that 18, 16 and 11 as going in the right direction? 

31 minutes ago, old dee said:

You don't see that 18, 16 and 11 as going in the right direction? 

improvement isn’t linear, surely us supporters have learnt that by now

also by that logic, you don’t see 17th to 9th as going in the right direction? 

1 hour ago, old dee said:

You don't see that 18, 16 and 11 as going in the right direction? 

We were going in the right direction for longer  look what happened.  17th 14th  11th  9th  4th  from 2014 to 2018  17th in 2019.

 

1 hour ago, nacnud said:

improvement isn’t linear, surely us supporters have learnt that by now

also by that logic, you don’t see 17th to 9th as going in the right direction? 

Yep 

30 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

We were going in the right direction for longer  look what happened.  17th 14th  11th  9th  4th  from 2014 to 2018  17th in 2019.

 

But we are still outside looking in nosoupforme as are Carlton I just think they will get there before us.

7 minutes ago, old dee said:

But we are still outside looking in nosoupforme as are Carlton I just think they will get there before us.

The amount of coverage that lot get is incredible, their worm graph has showed [censored] all positive movement since the turn of the century.

Absolutely mind boggling.

Just to add we don't need be doing any pre season docos any time soon. 

Not winning anything without a Curnow and it looks like they may never see him in Navy blue again.

 

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41 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

The amount of coverage that lot get is incredible, their worm graph has showed [censored] all positive movement since the turn of the century.

Absolutely mind boggling.

Just to add we don't need be doing any pre season docos any time soon. 

Not winning anything without a Curnow and it looks like they may never see him in Navy blue again.

 

They have their own ground and way more members than us with deep pockets. They will improve.

Agreed on the own ground and more members, I just can't see them being a side challenging any time soon. 

Over reliant on Cripps (overrated and on one knee), Mcgovern $800,000 a year for a 3rd tall who can mark and Jack Martin $900,000 a year for 2 years and plays half forward, they are know where near it.

Paying overs for role players like Mcgovern and Martin will see you nowhere near a premiership, list mangement is know where to be seen at the Blues.

Edited February 15, 20214 yr by Win4theAges

To hell and back showed why lowly teams sohuldn't make docos.

Edited February 15, 20214 yr by Doug Reemer

19 hours ago, old dee said:

They will win a flag before we do.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Eddie Betts is worth a look so I’ll watch the first episode. Not sure about the rest of them. If AFL sanctioned can’t see it being anything other than bland and inoffensive.

10 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

Agreed on the own ground and more members, I just can't see them being a side challenging any time soon. 

Over reliant on Cripps (overrated and on one knee), Mcgovern $800,000 a year for a 3rd tall who can mark and Jack Martin $900,000 a year for 2 years and plays half forward, they are know where near it.

Paying overs for role players like Mcgovern and Martin will see you nowhere near a premiership, list mangement is know where to be seen at the Blues.

What about us paying overs for a bloke who probably won't play the first half of the season?

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

What about us paying overs for a bloke who probably won't play the first half of the season?

Give the man a chance to play first OD.

3 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Give the man a chance to play first OD.

I was just suggesting it is not only Carlton who make mistakes. We paid overs for a bloke with a crook knee.

In the end I can just see Carlton getting there first. Of course a large part of that is doubts about the MFC making a good fist of what they have. half a century of failure leaves its mark.

13 minutes ago, old dee said:

What about us paying overs for a bloke who probably won't play the first half of the season?

Who are you talking about here, old black cloud of misery and gloom?

If you're referring to Ben Brown, we got him for next to nothing.  It was our picks 26, 33 and a future 4th rounder in exchange for Brown, pick 28 and a future 4th rounder, so essentially he cost us pick 33..  That is not "overs".

I genuinely believe you need to seek professional help for your condition.

8 minutes ago, old dee said:

I was just suggesting it is not only Carlton who make mistakes. We paid overs for a bloke with a crook knee.

In the end I can just see Carlton getting there first. Of course a large part of that is doubts about the MFC making a good fist of what they have. half a century of failure leaves its mark.

we paid overs? effectively preuss for ben brown; one is a bit-part ruckman with less than 20 afl games under his belt who was behind the best ruckman in the league and an exciting man-child, the other is a genuine key forward in the exact position we were looking to fill

cats paid far, far more for jeremy cameron in THREE first round picks - his recent output and injury concerns going forward are like-for-like with ben brown

2 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

we paid overs? effectively preuss for ben brown; one is a bit-part ruckman with less than 20 afl games under his belt who was behind the best ruckman in the league and an exciting man-child, the other is a genuine key forward in the exact position we were looking to fill

cats paid far, far more for jeremy cameron in THREE first round picks - his recent output and injury concerns going forward are like-for-like with ben brown

I am talking about his salary. Why were North so keen to get him out? his 2020 season was reduced to little because of a knee injury. Seems he still has it.

14 minutes ago, old dee said:

I am talking about his salary. Why were North so keen to get him out? his 2020 season was reduced to little because of a knee injury. Seems he still has it.

again, by comparison, jezza cameron is probably on double what we are paying ben brown - brown was ooc at the end of last season, vs cameron being on $1m a season heading into 2021

you have to pay a minimum for your salary cap regardless, so it's a moot point