Training Ground?

[Foopy on the telly 527]

25 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

So no-one should resign? So no accountability for the CEO who has been there since 2018 and penned a 4-year strategic plan suggesting construction commencement in the MCG precinct in 2023? There may be good reasons why that didn't/hasn't happened, but the members haven't been told? Is that possibility officially dead? - I suspect Yes. Please tell us - or is the MCG precinct  Plan B? Any of this home base failure part of the external reviews going on?

Perhaps not - because one review is of the Board itself and most of them have been there 3 years or less (so can claim the last plan wasn't theirs). And the other review is of the football department. Guess who isn't specifically being reviewed?

Not sure what rock you’ve been living under mate but they literally came out and said the Yarra park precinct wasn’t possible (around 2019/20). 

[whatwhat say what 22,487]

14 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

You're right, you don't understand where I'm coming from mate.

I do not trust Pert or the board. They've given too many reasons not to trust them, which have been provided ad nuseum by myself and others on Demonland.

Pert and co have had a major job to do over 5+ years and have managed a 12 month feasibility study that doesn't even apparently include the financials and the business case. It's not good enough. It's not MFCSS to suggest by their own markers, the progress has been treacle slow.

first two years under pert were to try and get us closer to the mcg - was a bust, but at least they tried, including going through a process and getting knocked back

caulfield has been in train for the last two years, and it's another throw at the stumps but at least we can clearly see that the board is trying everything to make it happen

you've said you don't trust the board; cool, i guess

i am giving the benefit of the doubt as they have - from what i can determine - been pretty clear in their aims and outcomes and timelines around trying to get us a home base for the duration of the time since ol mate out west, jackson, and roos were parachuted into the club

first step was casey (win), next was yarra park (fail), third is caulfield (we'll see)

arguably, we're closer to something actually happening than we've ever been since 1964

i see that as a good thing rather than a bad one, which to me says that - despite massive issues amongst themselves, clearly - the board and administration have worked as best as they can to actually make it happen

i look at the prospect of a base at caulfield and a satellite site at casey to accommodate our four sides as a massive win that should give us a leg up in the competition for years to come

i hope it happens; you expect it won't

i couldn't deal with being that negative about something that i, ultimately, have no control over

Edited September 20 by whatwhat say what

[58er 6,258]

2 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

You're right, you don't understand where I'm coming from mate.

I do not trust Pert or the board. They've given too many reasons not to trust them, which have been provided ad nuseum by myself and others on Demonland.

Pert and co have had a major job to do over 5+ years and have managed a 12 month feasibility study that doesn't even apparently include the financials and the business case. It's not good enough. It's not MFCSS to suggest by their own markers, the progress has been treacle slow.

You can’t produce a feasibility study until a location is decided. That’s recent say 18 months to a year.

Again are you aware that the logistics that there are a number of stakeholders and we don’t chair or control the progress of this whole project. Can’t you understand this?? 

The time and the posts plus the sweat  and worry over  the last 5 years as many D/Lers have bleated their displeasure impatience plus anger in the process time have all been a complete waste of misguided energy at not realising the state of the project due to the large number of stakeholders.

Thats partly ignorance and just plain niavity.  It will raise its ugly head no doubt over the next 9 mths. Please don’t rock the boat until April /May or better June. Take a rest all you over zealous naysayers. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,083]

5 hours ago, layzie said:

My understanding of a feasibility study is it determines the likelihood of a project being completed successfully, weighing up the risk analysis and other critical aspects. Like how science never proves theories but supports them. Is that on the right track LH?

I agree. 

While there are no guarantees I didn't see info that provides that likelihood.

We are on the same page layzie.

[Neil Crompton 5,397]

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

From my ignorant of procedures position I see 3 stages, first, permission and agreement of affected parties, second, detailing plans, costing and financing and third construction. 

I believe we have passed the first stage and have allowed about 9 months for the second.

I would think the third stage would take somewhere in the region of 12-24 months.

If this timetable is achieved, pre season 2028 would hopefully see it completed.

Red, I think you’ll find it is actually more stages than 3. Once the feasibility stage is approved, I’d suggest that final design / for-construction plans would then proceed - you don’t expend the cost of detailed design/construction details without the feasibility stage being signed off. Then the Tender is undertaken, reviewed and the Contract awarded. Finally construction commences.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

6 hours ago, Redleg said:

It will come and be imbibed by the DL masses.

If this gets up and i'm still alive and kicking i will be shouting any DLander i meet at the bar there with their poison of choice.

Including your good self Mr Leg.

Hoping Mr Old gets to see this also.

[Redleg 40,709]

4 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

If this gets up and i'm still alive and kicking i will be shouting any DLander i meet at the bar there with their poison of choice.

Including your good self Mr Leg.

Hoping Mr Old gets to see this also.

Malibu and diet coke or Khalua on the rocks thanks.

[Redleg 40,709]

13 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Red, I think you’ll find it is actually more stages than 3. Once the feasibility stage is approved, I’d suggest that final design / for-construction plans would then proceed - you don’t expend the cost of detailed design/construction details without the feasibility stage being signed off. Then the Tender is undertaken, reviewed and the Contract awarded. Finally construction commences.

I just lumped a couple of tasks in one step.

[daisycutter 29,563]

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

first two years under pert were to try and get us closer to the mcg - was a bust, but at least they tried, including going through a process and getting knocked back

caulfield has been in train for the last two years, and it's another throw at the stumps but at least we can clearly see that the board is trying everything to make it happen

you've said you don't trust the board; cool, i guess

i am giving the benefit of the doubt as they have - from what i can determine - been pretty clear in their aims and outcomes and timelines around trying to get us a home base for the duration of the time since ol mate out west, jackson, and roos were parachuted into the club

first step was casey (win), next was yarra park (fail), third is caulfield (we'll see)

arguably, we're closer to something actually happening than we've ever been since 1964

i see that as a good thing rather than a bad one, which to me says that - despite massive issues amongst themselves, clearly - the board and administration have worked as best as they can to actually make it happen

i look at the prospect of a base at caulfield and a satellite site at casey to accommodate our four sides as a massive win that should give us a leg up in the competition for years to come

i hope it happens; you expect it won't

i couldn't deal with being that negative about something that i, ultimately, have no control over

you missed out "there was aami carpark F (fail"

[Hawk the Demon 885]

1 hour ago, Foopy on the telly said:

Not sure what rock you’ve been living under mate but they literally came out and said the Yarra park precinct wasn’t possible (around 2019/20). 

Extract below from the end of year 2022 Annual report:

The Club continued discussions regarding a long-term Training & Administration Facility, participating in second stage feasibility study with the Victorian State Government on a site within the Melbourne & Olympic Parks precinct. Securing an appropriate outcome is a strategic priority of the Club, however it is a long-term project that can only move at the speed determined by the Victorian State Government given our requirement for land and funding. We thank the Victorian State Government and AFL for their continued support as we pursue a long-term home for the Club. 

You may be thinking about the proposal to build over Jolimont station which got scotched in the time frame you mentioned.

The extract above does remind us of the distance between a feasibility study (that one had a second stage!) and construction commencing......and/or nothing happening at all.

[Sir Why You Little 36,816]

So far we have a colour brochure….

[whatwhat say what 22,487]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

you missed out "there was aami carpark F (fail"

another example of them showing that they are exploring every opportunity that they can

[biggestred 4,950]

I mean, it's a feasibility study. And the answer was yes, it's feasible. Which is better than it's unfeasible. Which is what we got trying to do anything near the mcg.

[No. 31 1,160]

2 minutes ago, biggestred said:

I mean, it's a feasibility study. And the answer was yes, it's feasible. Which is better than it's unfeasible. Which is what we got trying to do anything near the mcg.

Bingo. Accurate and succint summary 👍😊

[daisycutter 29,563]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So far we have a colour brochure….

i'm so excited ... i just can't wait for the black and white one 😎

[Dr. Gonzo 24,070]

23 hours ago, Mickey said:

If this is the case, and this doesn't get the go ahead, Pert and the board should resign.

Well they just bought themselves another 9 months with this press release, right?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,070]

18 hours ago, layzie said:

About 50,000 volts worse if you know what I mean!

[Dr. Gonzo 24,070]

4 hours ago, Foopy on the telly said:

Not sure what rock you’ve been living under mate but they literally came out and said the Yarra park precinct wasn’t possible (around 2019/20). 

It was part of the 2020-23 strategic plan to commence construction on new facilities within the MCG precinct by 2023.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,070]

3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

you missed out "there was aami carpark F (fail"

And the Goschs park triangle

[whatwhat say what 22,487]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

And the Goschs park triangle

no stone left unturned but alas no sods neither

[bluey 1,058]

 

Edited September 20 by bluey

[Hawk the Demon 885]

Oh dear - I thought we had that side of politics covered? Who does he barrack for?

[Hawk the Demon 885]

5 hours ago, biggestred said:

I mean, it's a feasibility study. And the answer was yes, it's feasible. Which is better than it's unfeasible. Which is what we got trying to do anything near the mcg.

Did you read the extract? - We got to the second stage of a feasibility last time. Don't get me wrong. I hope it happens - but please keep us informed. The members might actually be able to help. There are a lot of us.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,673]

2 hours ago, bluey said:

 

Jee that's no good.

Local residents left out of the consultation process by the MFC.

[dice 686]

7 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Oh dear - I thought we had that side of politics covered? Who does he barrack for?

Saints. Ex Caulfield Grammar too. Probably hates all the blue blood Melbourne Grammar Demon supporters 🤣